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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:57:50 GMT
Pochettino and Conte need to achieve.
Think Klopp and Pochettino are more or less untouchable barring a complete disaster, I'm talking finishing 8th or below.
Think the rest have to finish top 4 or they're gone. The amount of money Guardiola and Mourinho have spent, they should really be finishing 1st and 2nd, but they've managed to set expectations so low after last year they could probably get away with a bit less... maybe? Is that acceptable though?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 19:17:17 GMT
Guardiola has to win it.
Mourinho has to look like he could win it (at least top 4).
Wenger also has to win it (or at least come close) otherwise he finally has to go (frankly I'd put money on this being his last season).
Conte has to be competitive but probably doesn't have to win it (top 4).
Klopp has to continue building but still finish at least top 4.
Pochettino can have a disaster of a season (which they will IMO) but they'll probably let him off since they're playing at Wembley.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:21:24 GMT
Wenger's got another 20 years left in him yet.
As for Klopp, they've gotta give him a bit of leeway, probably gonna lose his best player, and they've spent next to no money, that guy from Roma, Salah I think, I know next to nothing about him. If he manages to finish top 4 and have a decent run in the CL he's a miracle worker.
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Post by Reggie_Stration on Aug 11, 2017 11:23:43 GMT
Minimum required:
Guardiola - Title challenge, CL challenge, and a trophy. Ideally they'd want to win both major titles (CL and PL) or win one and come close to the other. I think they'd still keep Pep for mounting a title challenge without finishing 1st and winning a domestic trophy of some sort, even if it would be seen as a so so season. His reputation would keep him in the job. Not sure a trophyless season would.
Jose - Same as for Pep but with more emphasis on title challenge and less on a trophy, after doing a double last season. He definitely needs to be seen as if he's making strides towards winning the league in the very near future. After last season he'd have a bit of leeway and would be kept in a job for going trophyless while maintaining a title challenge (basically doing what Spurs did).
Wenger - Same as Jose. Has to challenge for the title and at least come close to winning it if he doesn't, and when I say come close, the performance levels have to improve. They need to go on formidable runs and be hard to beat. Would be a sign of progress. Doing that even without winning a trophy should keep him in the job. Anything less and the fans wouldn't accept it anymore and he'd be forced into walking.
Conte - Would need to challenge in the big competitions. Always hard to tell how much Abramovich would settle for. I'd guess after last season Conte could get away with a top 4 finish without winning anything, but you never know. Ancelotti was sacked for achieving the same.
Klopp - Would need to repeat last season at a minimum. Winning some silverware should also be on the agenda but perhaps not essential to him staying put.
Poch - The most leeway out of all of them. Frankly if he finishes top 4 it will be a miraculous job by him. Given the circumstances of playing at Wembley and a lack of transfer activity he should be able to get away with a 5th or 6th place finish. Any ire from fans would be more directed at Levy than Poch. However failure in the league should lead to higher cup expectancy.
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Post by runie on Aug 11, 2017 11:45:11 GMT
Pochettino and Conte need to achieve. Think Klopp and Pochettino are more or less untouchable barring a complete disaster, I'm talking finishing 8th or below. Think the rest have to finish top 4 or they're gone. The amount of money Guardiola and Mourinho have spent, they should really be finishing 1st and 2nd, but they've managed to set expectations so low after last year they could probably get away with a bit less... maybe? Is that acceptable though? wenger maybe needs a top 4 - silver/trophies isn't the important factor here. he ust needs a top 4 again. thats all. pep needs to win the PL and win the CL or get beat by one of the big 3 or maybe a close loss to PSG at the very worst to keep his job - man cities squad is the the best by a long way(PL) and pep needs major success to stay on as manager. no excuses will be allowed - but he has made some great squad signings. conte would probaly survive on a top 4 . - mourinhio has to get cl again - he has to top 4 thats all. klopp and poch need to get a top 6 and will. - but i fear they will miss out on cl. everton is a garanteed 7th imo.
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 11, 2017 11:55:47 GMT
Not the end of the world if Klopp misses out on top 4 but really needs to have some cup runs to keep us happy.
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Post by orlandogardner on Aug 11, 2017 12:38:06 GMT
Pochettino and Conte need to achieve. Think Klopp and Pochettino are more or less untouchable barring a complete disaster, I'm talking finishing 8th or below. Think the rest have to finish top 4 or they're gone. The amount of money Guardiola and Mourinho have spent, they should really be finishing 1st and 2nd, but they've managed to set expectations so low after last year they could probably get away with a bit less... maybe? Is that acceptable though? As an Arsenal fan I'll only comment on Wenger. Unfortunately he doesn't have to achieve anything except a healthy profit. Once he does that he's safe as houses.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 12:48:48 GMT
Pochettino and Conte need to achieve. Think Klopp and Pochettino are more or less untouchable barring a complete disaster, I'm talking finishing 8th or below. Think the rest have to finish top 4 or they're gone. The amount of money Guardiola and Mourinho have spent, they should really be finishing 1st and 2nd, but they've managed to set expectations so low after last year they could probably get away with a bit less... maybe? Is that acceptable though? As an Arsenal fan I'll only comment on Wenger. Unfortunately he doesn't have to achieve anything except a healthy profit. Once he does that he's safe as houses. Good to see you Orlando, hope you aced your exams and didn't blow out the prediction league last year for nothing. Anyway, you're already signed up this year, all you gotta do is your predictions!
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Post by dougb on Aug 11, 2017 13:46:38 GMT
Pochettino and Conte need to achieve. Think Klopp and Pochettino are more or less untouchable barring a complete disaster, I'm talking finishing 8th or below. Think the rest have to finish top 4 or they're gone. The amount of money Guardiola and Mourinho have spent, they should really be finishing 1st and 2nd, but they've managed to set expectations so low after last year they could probably get away with a bit less... maybe? Is that acceptable though? wenger maybe needs a top 4 - silver/trophies isn't the important factor here. he ust needs a top 4 again. thats all. pep needs to win the PL and win the CL or get beat by one of the big 3 or maybe a close loss to PSG at the very worst to keep his job - man cities squad is the the best by a long way(PL) and pep needs major success to stay on as manager. no excuses will be allowed - but he has made some great squad signings. conte would probaly survive on a top 4 . - mourinhio has to get cl again - he has to top 4 thats all. klopp and poch need to get a top 6 and will. - but i fear they will miss out on cl. everton is a garanteed 7th imo. Is that good enough for Everton though? They should always be 7th. They are usually about half a dozen points off 6th and the same above 8th. They should be looking to 6th at the very least. Palace have to be looking at a top 19 finish as well.
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Post by dougb on Aug 11, 2017 13:47:21 GMT
Not the end of the world if Klopp misses out on top 4 but really needs to have some cup runs to keep us happy. And keep Coutinho?
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 11, 2017 14:03:02 GMT
Not gonna happen now after the transfer request. Can't blame him, its not like he grew up in Liverpool and is a childhood fan, can't expect him to stay. Go and play with the best Couts. 
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Post by dougb on Aug 11, 2017 14:31:27 GMT
I'd make him stay for this season, he's a decent pro so shouldn't be too much temper tantrums. Promise him a move next summer. Top four without him? Not much chance IMHO. Then again, you would get silly money and 3 weeks to spend it.
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Post by orlandogardner on Aug 11, 2017 14:54:32 GMT
As an Arsenal fan I'll only comment on Wenger. Unfortunately he doesn't have to achieve anything except a healthy profit. Once he does that he's safe as houses. Good to see you Orlando, hope you aced your exams and didn't blow out the prediction league last year for nothing. Anyway, you're already signed up this year, all you gotta do is your predictions! Aw cheers Manley. I actually did better than expected. Finished with a first class honours degree dontcha know (3.71 GPA). So maybe dropping out was worth it. That's cool. I'll come back and predict so. Thanx. BTW is there only the BBC Prediction league or is the classic IMDb prediction league still running?
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 11, 2017 14:57:14 GMT
I'd make him stay for this season, he's a decent pro so shouldn't be too much temper tantrums. Promise him a move next summer. Top four without him? Not much chance IMHO. Then again, you would get silly money and 3 weeks to spend it. Coutinhos a quiet fella, yeah maybe Klopp is the right manager to change his mind, depends on the agent though. Craig Bellamy was saying the other night Coutino is the perfect replacement for Iniesta in a years time, fingerscrossed thats what happens. And good luck to us trying to spend all that money in the next few weeks. Other clubs will be doing what we're doing to Barca
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 15:00:16 GMT
Good to see you Orlando, hope you aced your exams and didn't blow out the prediction league last year for nothing. Anyway, you're already signed up this year, all you gotta do is your predictions! Aw cheers Manley. I actually did better than expected. Finished with a first class honours degree dontcha know (3.71 GPA). So maybe dropping out was worth it. [biggrin] That's cool. I'll come back and predict so. Thanx. Excellent congrats, although obviously it hasn't quite got the same prestige as winning the prediction league, but still, good on you. What subject? Great to have you back, first game kicks off in just over 3 hours.
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Post by orlandogardner on Aug 11, 2017 15:03:10 GMT
Aw cheers Manley. I actually did better than expected. Finished with a first class honours degree dontcha know (3.71 GPA). So maybe dropping out was worth it. [biggrin] That's cool. I'll come back and predict so. Thanx. Excellent congrats, although obviously it hasn't quite got the same prestige as winning the prediction league, but still, good on you. What subject? Great to have you back, first game kicks off in just over 3 hours. Thanx man. Lots of hard work. A computer science degree. SW development and the like. I edited the post above. Is it solely the BBC Prediction league or is the IMDb classic league still running too?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 15:11:44 GMT
Excellent congrats, although obviously it hasn't quite got the same prestige as winning the prediction league, but still, good on you. What subject? Great to have you back, first game kicks off in just over 3 hours. Thanx man. Lots of hard work. A computer science degree. SW development and the like. I edited the post above. Is it solely the BBC Prediction league or is the IMDb classic league still running too? Very good degree to have, the classic league I think is a goner, we've got a 'predict the top 10 final standings' league though, piss easy, we'll see in a years time who got closest. IMDB2.freeforums.net/thread/49507/predict-epl-top-10
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 11, 2017 15:31:13 GMT
I'd say Mourinho, Conte and Guardiola have to make the top 4 and may survive even if they don't, depending on what goes on behind the scenes. Wenger will be fine as long as they make top 6 - the man's delivered three trophies in 4 years for God's sake. Klopp and Pochettino will survive as long as they're not in relegation trouble.
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Post by runie on Aug 11, 2017 20:43:52 GMT
wenger maybe needs a top 4 - silver/trophies isn't the important factor here. he ust needs a top 4 again. thats all. pep needs to win the PL and win the CL or get beat by one of the big 3 or maybe a close loss to PSG at the very worst to keep his job - man cities squad is the the best by a long way(PL) and pep needs major success to stay on as manager. no excuses will be allowed - but he has made some great squad signings. conte would probaly survive on a top 4 . - mourinhio has to get cl again - he has to top 4 thats all. klopp and poch need to get a top 6 and will. - but i fear they will miss out on cl. everton is a garanteed 7th imo. douugb words---- Is that good enough for Everton though? They should always be 7th. They are usually about half a dozen points off 6th and the same above 8th. They should be looking to 6th at the very least. Palace have to be looking at a top 19 finish as well. --------- 19 above millwall is my prediction
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Post by dougb on Aug 12, 2017 7:56:55 GMT
That would probably see you relegated.
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