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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 1:10:20 GMT
Also doesn't help when you have people calling someone names just because they disagree with what has been written. I've also seen Mods and Admins create turmoil by being too extreme with rules and regulations. Sometimes chats go off the original topic a little and I have been on sites where that is a big no-no, making for a very sterile environment and can spark arguments just as easily as one like the original IMDb where people could say and do anything they wanted to. If we mods were to respond to each name-calling we'd be doing it all day long and nothing else. My take on this is that people should be allowed to fight their own fights unless they clearly cross the line into gross violation of the Terms of Service. This, for people who get into a fight here and there and toss some name-calling during said fight but otherwise contribute to the discussion in other threads (remember, posting history is key). For those whose only purpose in being here is to insult everybody else and that's all they do, it's a different matter and warrants harsher action. About your last paragraph: I think we aren't doing either one of these extremes. For example, we don't act at all on OT stuff. And it's not that people can say and do anything they want to, because we've banned a fair number of posters already. It happens that the settings in this forum software are such that their accounts remain, so people think they are still here, and the word "banned" is not displayed, but we've done some cleaning-up. I was just saying that these little things can ignite something for no good reason. I didn't say you were, I was just referring to other sites I have been on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 1:13:04 GMT
If we mods were to respond to each name-calling we'd be doing it all day long and nothing else. My take on this is that people should be allowed to fight their own fights unless they clearly cross the line into gross violation of the Terms of Service. This, for people who get into a fight here and there and toss some name-calling during said fight but otherwise contribute to the discussion in other threads (remember, posting history is key). For those whose only purpose in being here is to insult everybody else and that's all they do, it's a different matter and warrants harsher action. About your last paragraph: I think we aren't doing either one of these extremes. For example, we don't act at all on OT stuff. And it's not that people can say and do anything they want to, because we've banned a fair number of posters already. It happens that the settings in this forum software are such that their accounts remain, so people think they are still here, and the word "banned" is not displayed, but we've done some cleaning-up. I was just saying that these little things can ignite something for no good reason. I didn't say you were, I was just referring to other sites I have been on. I know, I was just clarifying what our take here has been. We try to walk the fine line between too much moderation and too little. It's not easy and we won't please everybody, but we try.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 1:17:36 GMT
I was just saying that these little things can ignite something for no good reason. I didn't say you were, I was just referring to other sites I have been on. I know, I was just clarifying what our take here has been. We try to walk the fine line between too much moderation and too little. It's not easy and we won't please everybody, but we try. We should at least have a couple of boards with no moderation. Then those that need babysitters can just not do there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 1:29:00 GMT
I know, I was just clarifying what our take here has been. We try to walk the fine line between too much moderation and too little. It's not easy and we won't please everybody, but we try. We should at least have a couple of boards with no moderation. Then those that need babysitters can just not do there. A couple of boards have a bit more hands-off moderation, for various reasons. I won't get into it. It would be a question for Admin. But the thing is, we can't entirely do away with moderation even over there, for two reasons. One, people should still feel free to report stuff to us, even from those boards. We can't curtail the right of members to report to us stuff that makes them uncomfortable, and we will look into everything that is reported regardless of where it comes from (it doesn't necessarily mean we will act on everything). Two, we are hosts of the larger company ProBoards and must uphold their minimum standards for appropriate content, so we can't fully have a free-for-all area and ignore gross violations of ProBoards' standards. The bottom line is that the Terms of Service do apply across all of IMDBv2, but we might be a bit more hands-off in certain areas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 1:42:55 GMT
I was just saying that these little things can ignite something for no good reason. I didn't say you were, I was just referring to other sites I have been on. I know, I was just clarifying what our take here has been. We try to walk the fine line between too much moderation and too little. It's not easy and we won't please everybody, but we try. So far, I'm impressed at the job the mods have been doing here. For 9 1/2 years I was a member at another message board and there saw what it takes to do what I think was good moderation. This site is very young, yet it is thriving. This can only happen via the efforts behind the scenes of those managing and moderating things well. Other than porn and other necessarily, strictly controlled posts I think the main aspect of message boards which demand moderation is the political threads. So far, I think things have been going as well as possible here, especially considering the political atmosphere in the country nowadays. I think this is due to the wisdom and restraint mods have been using to help us misfits, malcontents, basement-dwellers, mutants, and all other indecents control ourselves. I'm sure I couldn't be a message board moderator; I'm too indecent. I need supervision.
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Post by naterdawg on Mar 3, 2017 1:49:37 GMT
It's okay. I'm glad you weren't calling me an imbecile. Lol. It was meant as a joke anyway. I am aware Hitchcock didn't write the book. Suuuure you were.
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Post by frogarama on Mar 5, 2017 3:18:49 GMT
I feel your pain, Naterdawg, and it seems that the Internet has turned every other 98 lb weakling into a 500 lb gorilla when he logs in on-line. The meanness, sadly, comes with the territory of even the best moderated boards. There are, fortunately, some sites that are vastly superior to others. I very much doubt that many of them weigh as little as 98 lbs!
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Post by deembastille on Mar 5, 2017 3:40:59 GMT
@gottaluvafriend I was just posting, it wasn't a response to any one particular member. Thanks for the greetings though. :-) OIC, you were answering the OP question. Still, your response was unclear due to the many already existing responses. I apologize. This is one thing I really liked about O-IMDb. you had the option to nest the thread responses. that means that the OP message is like this. then the first one responding looks like this. then the first one responding to the first responder looks like this. then the second one responding to the op looks like this. and so on.
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Post by deembastille on Mar 5, 2017 3:50:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 11:00:41 GMT
The reason for why people act mean on the internet is pretty simple: The loose nut between the chair and keyboard is recognized as the greatest point of common failure of the internet.
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Post by naterdawg on Mar 5, 2017 15:38:24 GMT
Sorry I meant the guy above you. Still not in the habit of using the quote feature lol. You're wrong, Dr. "Heart Surgeon." Robert Bloch wrote Psycho, as a novel. It was adapted by Joseph Stefano for Hitchcock.
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Post by Snaggelpuss on Mar 7, 2017 6:52:21 GMT
Guess you are new to the internetz? See there is dickheads on the internetz just like in real life! THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:21:50 GMT
1/ The moderation on most forums is shockingly bad and often biased. The mods will go after easy targets and tend to be in a clique with the worst trolls. Quite often anyway. 2/ Anonymity allows people to post crap and abuse people. I don't mind if you disagree with my opinion but there is no need to abuse me just because you disagree. Again, a good Mod and Admin should be addressing that kind of behaviour. Stop this kind of childish crap so people know that the best thing to do is report it rather than fire back with more abuse. 3/ Politics. I have to say it. This is a movie/TV forum yet most of the threads are political one way or another. This also sparks aggression and things get heated. So yeah I relate 100%, I joined here to discuss film and TV, I did get involved in some political chats but it's not why I am here and it does kind of annoy me that politics is what this site is really about. Or maybe it is just the aggression involved in those threads. I don't know but the bottom line is that movies and TV is an escape for me, I don't need to be getting abused or seeing thread after thread about something political, even if I don't open the thread, I still see the title. The site needs direction and the trolls need to be dealt with. I agree 100% with you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:35:58 GMT
Because it is their site and they are the Mods. Who protects me in real life? I do, but in real life you have other options. I find it sad that wanting a peaceful experience online is seen as something wrong here. That is really disturbing. But the thing is just because something disturbs your peace doesnt mean it disturbs anyone elses. Why is it so hard to just not read something you dont want to read or not respond to someone you feel is a troll? You give people online way too much power. If I dont want to read something no one is making me so I dont. If I dont like someone I can simply pretend they arent there without any help. I can decide I just dont care. You are giving all that power to other people. I only have a problem with those that refuse to be ignored and begin following your posts stalking you with their insults. Look, people are emotional beings and they have pride. Nobody is going to sit there quietly while being abused without responding verbally. Now using ignore or block feature when you see that the altercation is escalating.. that is the best action to take in that situation. Yet again, it's only natural to want to defend yourself against attacks. So how does that make a person "sensitive?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:36:44 GMT
@gottaluvafriend I was just posting, it wasn't a response to any one particular member. Thanks for the greetings though. :-) You're welcome!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:40:52 GMT
Yes it is easy to just ignore a trolling/abusive post. But the point is people presumably come to forums to unwind, shoot the shit a little about a film or tv show etc. I joined here not knowing that it was started by someone from the IMDb politics board and as I never explored the IMDb site much I didn't even know it had a political board.
Regardless, if the Admin of this site wants the site to flourish they will have to address the troll problem. They also need to address the constant breaches of TOS.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:42:30 GMT
And that is exactly why this site will fail. You shouldn't have to put up with Trolls and dickheads. But as I mentioned this site is Pro Troll. NO, that is why you will fail in REAL LIFE & the REAL WORLD. Real Life is full of real person meanie baddie Trolls. Maybe you need a safe space, play dough, & a therapy dog to help cope with life. The really sad part is that you can not handle Trolls on an internet message board. Life is a real b*tch cupcake, so maybe you need to learn to suck it up. If you can not handle it here on a message board where you have a few options available here: 1) just suck it up Butter Cup 2) fight back 3) hit the ignore/block button However, since you can not apparently do any of the above simple options, you are going to have a tough time in REAL life & the REAL WORLD. REMEMBER IN REAL LIFE & REAL WORLD, THERE ARE NO SAFE SPACES OR IGNORE BUTTONS. This type of attitude is completely unconstructive to the entire issue. You sound like a psycho drill sargent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:45:18 GMT
@terrygg Yes it is easy to just ignore a trolling/abusive post. But the point is people presumably come to forums to unwind, shoot the shit a little about a film or tv show etc. I joined here not knowing that it was started by someone from the IMDb politics board and as I never explored the IMDb site much I didn't even know it had a political board. Regardless, if the Admin of this site wants the site to flourish they will have to address the troll problem. They also need to address the constant breaches of TOS. Define "troll", though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:46:19 GMT
The moderation level here is fine from my perspective. I don't visit every section, but I haven't run into any major problems or anything. You guys are doing your jobs fine. The thing is... If everyone was civil to each other, we would stay out of everything and nobody would even know we were here. The rules are simple: Don't post porn, don't dox, don't wave vulgar banners, and don't be a dick for the sake of being a dick. I'm not sure why that's so difficult for so many people, or why they don't understand that the squeaky wheels are ones that get the grease. How much vulgarity is too much because you have already used a bit of the language yourself? I'm only asking because I sometimes use profanity especially when I'm in an argument with a troll. I try to avoid arguments though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 20:47:04 GMT
NO, that is why you will fail in REAL LIFE & the REAL WORLD. Real Life is full of real person meanie baddie Trolls. Maybe you need a safe space, play dough, & a therapy dog to help cope with life. The really sad part is that you can not handle Trolls on an internet message board. Life is a real b*tch cupcake, so maybe you need to learn to suck it up. If you can not handle it here on a message board where you have a few options available here: 1) just suck it up Butter Cup 2) fight back 3) hit the ignore/block button However, since you can not apparently do any of the above simple options, you are going to have a tough time in REAL life & the REAL WORLD. REMEMBER IN REAL LIFE & REAL WORLD, THERE ARE NO SAFE SPACES OR IGNORE BUTTONS. This type of attitude is completely unconstructive to the entire issue. You sound like a psycho drill sargent. You are not a very tolerant person, are you terry?
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