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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 13, 2017 0:12:57 GMT
Here's the problem with that. Saying it's a part of the same multiverse is just lazy because there is no connection. They've done zero work and yet you're giving them credit for doing nothing more than saying it's part of the "multiverse". All that does is give them an excuse to make no effort to maintain any continuity.
Now I agree DCCU sounds stupid, and DCU is not only what their comics are called but also too close to MCU, but DCEU isn't much better than those options. If you like the multiverse idea, even DCM might have been a little better with the middle C being Cinematic. IDK, they're choices might be difficult, but the word "extended" just seems random to what they've done.
Marvel did the same thing. They gave multiverse designation numbers to everything. The MCU isn't in the same universe as the comics or animated series, but they are a part of the same multiverse. But the DCEU is only the movies. Wouldn't the DCM encompass the shows, also? The movies and the shows aren't specifically connected. Calling only the movies the DCEU is like Marvel calling the MCU 199999 while the comics are 616. The DCEU specifically is an Earth in an infinite amount of Earths. Yes, the DC TV shows and all the movies (not just the DCEU movies but also the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Batman movies and the Dark Knight trilogy) are all connected because they're all part of a multiverse. It's just that the DC TV shows and the DCEU movies and the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Batman movies and the Dark Knight trilogy are on separate Earths (and separate universes) but they're all part of 1 big multiverse.
Unlike Marvel, which has a separate sub-universe for MCU (which may or may not include Sony's sub-universe) and separate sub-universe for the X-Men and Fantastic Four and those sub-universes aren't connected at all.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2017 0:23:42 GMT
Here's the problem with that. Saying it's a part of the same multiverse is just lazy because there is no connection. They've done zero work and yet you're giving them credit for doing nothing more than saying it's part of the "multiverse". All that does is give them an excuse to make no effort to maintain any continuity.
Now I agree DCCU sounds stupid, and DCU is not only what their comics are called but also too close to MCU, but DCEU isn't much better than those options. If you like the multiverse idea, even DCM might have been a little better with the middle C being Cinematic. IDK, they're choices might be difficult, but the word "extended" just seems random to what they've done.
Marvel did the same thing. They gave multiverse designation numbers to everything. The MCU isn't in the same universe as the comics or animated series, but they are a part of the same multiverse. But the DCEU is only the movies. Wouldn't the DCM encompass the shows, also? The movies and the shows aren't specifically connected. Calling only the movies the DCEU is like Marvel calling the MCU 199999 while the comics are 616. The DCEU specifically is an Earth in an infinite amount of Earths. You're sort of missing the point here. Making no effort to connect the show and then saying they're in a multiverse is lazy as shit. It's an excuse. Obviously the MCU films don't take place in the 616verse, but nobody said they did. The point is that they make the effort to maintain continuity with their other programming. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 13, 2017 1:18:40 GMT
Marvel did the same thing. They gave multiverse designation numbers to everything. The MCU isn't in the same universe as the comics or animated series, but they are a part of the same multiverse. But the DCEU is only the movies. Wouldn't the DCM encompass the shows, also? The movies and the shows aren't specifically connected. Calling only the movies the DCEU is like Marvel calling the MCU 199999 while the comics are 616. The DCEU specifically is an Earth in an infinite amount of Earths. You're sort of missing the point here. Making no effort to connect the show and then saying they're in a multiverse is lazy as shit. It's an excuse. Obviously the MCU films don't take place in the 616verse, but nobody said they did. The point is that they make the effort to maintain continuity with their other programming. Actually, they did say they are all connected by way of Dr Strange. The thing about them not connecting the movies to the CW shows is that they don't have to. That's why there are infinite Earths. There is no way they will be able to just go to that specific Earth. The CW shows can connect to each other because those Earths are right next to each other. I think I get it more because I'm reading The Long Earth by Terry Pratchett and Stephen Baxter. It deals with the multiverse and going to different Earths in detail. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 13, 2017 1:21:01 GMT
Marvel did the same thing. They gave multiverse designation numbers to everything. The MCU isn't in the same universe as the comics or animated series, but they are a part of the same multiverse. But the DCEU is only the movies. Wouldn't the DCM encompass the shows, also? The movies and the shows aren't specifically connected. Calling only the movies the DCEU is like Marvel calling the MCU 199999 while the comics are 616. The DCEU specifically is an Earth in an infinite amount of Earths. Yes, the DC TV shows and all the movies (not just the DCEU movies but also the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Batman movies and the Dark Knight trilogy) are all connected because they're all part of a multiverse. It's just that the DC TV shows and the DCEU movies and the Christopher Reeve Superman movies and the Batman movies and the Dark Knight trilogy are on separate Earths (and separate universes) but they're all part of 1 big multiverse.
Unlike Marvel, which has a separate sub-universe for MCU (which may or may not include Sony's sub-universe) and separate sub-universe for the X-Men and Fantastic Four and those sub-universes aren't connected at all.
They are all connected by way of Dr Strange. They explain the multiverse in that movie. Both Marvel and DC are using the multiverse as an excuse to get away with doing a bunch of reboots. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2017 1:21:45 GMT
You're sort of missing the point here. Making no effort to connect the show and then saying they're in a multiverse is lazy as shit. It's an excuse. Obviously the MCU films don't take place in the 616verse, but nobody said they did. The point is that they make the effort to maintain continuity with their other programming. Actually, they did say they are all connected by way of Dr Strange. The thing about them not connecting the movies to the CW shows is that they don't have to. That's why there are infinite Earths. There is no way they will be able to just go to that specific Earth. The CW shows can connect to each other because those Earths are right next to each other. I think I get it more because I'm reading The Long Earth by Terry Pratchett and Stephen Baxter. It deals with the multiverse and going to different Earths in detail. Again, that's not the point. All they're doing is avoiding having to keep up with any continuity. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Aug 13, 2017 4:02:34 GMT
Nope. Jessica Jones is the worst superhero show ever made. Jessica Jones is a really boring and crappy snoozefest. Watching paint dry is more entertaining than watching Jessica Jones. Well, RottenTomatos says otherwise, with 92%, so people clearly love the show. As usual, your opinion doesn't speak for the world Nothing short of comical that he's using RT scores to defend WW but ignores the ratings for MCU related properties. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Aug 13, 2017 4:29:18 GMT
Nope. Jessica Jones is the worst superhero show ever made. Jessica Jones is a really boring and crappy snoozefest. Watching paint dry is more entertaining than watching Jessica Jones. If you dislike female characters dealing with actual issues, maybe. Supergirl could learn a thing or two from JJ. Honestly, saying Supergirl is better than Jessica Jones is like saying Bones is a better cop drama than the first season of True Detective, two totally different wavelengths in quality. Like S1 of TD, Jessica Jones definitely is not a safe show and does not conform to typical storytelling tropes you'd expect out of the show its categorized as, and it goes quite deep and dark that just solidifies the fact that it is for mature audiences. Supergirl, like Bones, is as safe a show as you can get in its genre. It is very tame, takes no creative risks, and accessible for people of any age - doesn't matter if you're five, fifteen, or 35, but I think a five or fifteen year old would get the most satisfaction from it as a viewer. Fifteen definitely as its on The CW who's primary demo are teens. I am not saying Supergirl is a bad show, or Bones for that matter, nor am I saying JJ is on par with S1 of True Detective just pointing out the differences in quality and that its just absurd to compare the two at all. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 13, 2017 16:40:05 GMT
Actually, they did say they are all connected by way of Dr Strange. The thing about them not connecting the movies to the CW shows is that they don't have to. That's why there are infinite Earths. There is no way they will be able to just go to that specific Earth. The CW shows can connect to each other because those Earths are right next to each other. I think I get it more because I'm reading The Long Earth by Terry Pratchett and Stephen Baxter. It deals with the multiverse and going to different Earths in detail. Again, that's not the point. All they're doing is avoiding having to keep up with any continuity. That's the total point. They'd have to do a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie for all of them to be connected. And if they did that that means there wouldn't be any tv series because those universes would not exist anymore. There are no characters in the DCEU that can cross universes. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2017 17:18:00 GMT
Again, that's not the point. All they're doing is avoiding having to keep up with any continuity. That's the total point. They'd have to do a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie for all of them to be connected. And if they did that that means there wouldn't be any tv series because those universes would not exist anymore. There are no characters in the DCEU that can cross universes. And that's an excuse. All you're saying is that they pay zero attention to continuity until they decide they want a crossover and then find some reason to jump dimensions. That's lazy, which is the total point. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 13, 2017 18:14:58 GMT
That's the total point. They'd have to do a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie for all of them to be connected. And if they did that that means there wouldn't be any tv series because those universes would not exist anymore. There are no characters in the DCEU that can cross universes. And that's an excuse. All you're saying is that they pay zero attention to continuity until they decide they want a crossover and then find some reason to jump dimensions. That's lazy, which is the total point. No. It's not lazy. They did it in comics, also. You do know they had the Golden Age comics running along side the Silver Age? Why do you think they had to do the Crisis on Infinite Earths event? What I'm saying is that they are running more than 1 continuity along side each other that is in a multiverse. They don't have to connect anything except what is in that universe. They didn't even have to directly connect Supergirl with Flash, Arrow and Legends. Black Lightning doesn't have to directly connect with those 4 shows. Hell, there was an episode of the Flash where he saw glimpses of other universes. At this point, I think you are just wanting something to be wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 22:18:05 GMT
And that's an excuse. All you're saying is that they pay zero attention to continuity until they decide they want a crossover and then find some reason to jump dimensions. That's lazy, which is the total point. No. It's not lazy. They did it in comics, also. You do know they had the Golden Age comics running along side the Silver Age? Why do you think they had to do the Crisis on Infinite Earths event? What I'm saying is that they are running more than 1 continuity along side each other that is in a multiverse. They don't have to connect anything except what is in that universe. They didn't even have to directly connect Supergirl with Flash, Arrow and Legends. Black Lightning doesn't have to directly connect with those 4 shows. Hell, there was an episode of the Flash where he saw glimpses of other universes. At this point, I think you are just wanting something to be wrong. You don't have to want anything to be wrong to find fault is basically everything WB/DC is doing right now. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 13, 2017 23:19:20 GMT
No. It's not lazy. They did it in comics, also. You do know they had the Golden Age comics running along side the Silver Age? Why do you think they had to do the Crisis on Infinite Earths event? What I'm saying is that they are running more than 1 continuity along side each other that is in a multiverse. They don't have to connect anything except what is in that universe. They didn't even have to directly connect Supergirl with Flash, Arrow and Legends. Black Lightning doesn't have to directly connect with those 4 shows. Hell, there was an episode of the Flash where he saw glimpses of other universes. At this point, I think you are just wanting something to be wrong. You don't have to want anything to be wrong to find fault is basically everything WB/DC is doing right now. Oh it's no doubt that the DCEU is wrong on so many levels, but what the name means I'm on the side of. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2017 23:26:04 GMT
And that's an excuse. All you're saying is that they pay zero attention to continuity until they decide they want a crossover and then find some reason to jump dimensions. That's lazy, which is the total point. No. It's not lazy. They did it in comics, also. You do know they had the Golden Age comics running along side the Silver Age? Why do you think they had to do the Crisis on Infinite Earths event? What I'm saying is that they are running more than 1 continuity along side each other that is in a multiverse. They don't have to connect anything except what is in that universe. They didn't even have to directly connect Supergirl with Flash, Arrow and Legends. Black Lightning doesn't have to directly connect with those 4 shows. Hell, there was an episode of the Flash where he saw glimpses of other universes. At this point, I think you are just wanting something to be wrong. It is lazy. It's purely so that they don't have to maintain continuity and then they tell people like you "it's in the multiverse" to keep you happy, and here you are letting them off the hook. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 14, 2017 0:01:07 GMT
No. It's not lazy. They did it in comics, also. You do know they had the Golden Age comics running along side the Silver Age? Why do you think they had to do the Crisis on Infinite Earths event? What I'm saying is that they are running more than 1 continuity along side each other that is in a multiverse. They don't have to connect anything except what is in that universe. They didn't even have to directly connect Supergirl with Flash, Arrow and Legends. Black Lightning doesn't have to directly connect with those 4 shows. Hell, there was an episode of the Flash where he saw glimpses of other universes. At this point, I think you are just wanting something to be wrong. It is lazy. It's purely so that they don't have to maintain continuity and then they tell people like you "it's in the multiverse" to keep you happy, and here you are letting them off the hook. But they didn't set out to have it directly connect to the movies. The MCU's tv shows were made specifically to be a part of the MCU. They can't just randomly make the shows now be directly a part of the movies. Especially when Supergirl has a Superman in universe. And Lex has a sister and mom that is never mentioned in BvS that is on Supergirl. It's not lazy. It's just 2 different things that is a part of the same multiverse. Just let it go. See what you did? Now DC-Fan is liking my posts.  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 14, 2017 0:08:16 GMT
But they didn't set out to have it directly connect to the movies. Exactly. That's the problem. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 14, 2017 17:36:56 GMT
But they didn't set out to have it directly connect to the movies. Exactly. That's the problem. How is that even close to being a problem? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 14, 2017 21:36:36 GMT
Exactly. That's the problem. How is that even close to being a problem? Because it's lazy. They aren't giving you a connected universe and then expecting you to be ok with the "it's a multiverse" excuse. One of the common things people want out of the MCU shows is more connectively. |
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Post by dnno1 on Aug 14, 2017 21:48:01 GMT
They're the ones that don't make any effort to tie in their TV shows or have tie in comics. What about the DCEU is extended? It's pretty isolated isn't it? The DCIU?
It's the MCU that has numerous TV shows and comics that all tie in, although I wouldn't want that to be called the "extended universe". No, it is not at all. Before, the cinematic universe only had Superman and Batman and only films from those two franchises were made (with exception to "Steel" - which could still be considered part of the Superman family, Catwoman - which could still be considered part of the Batman family, and Green Lantern). Now they have extended the universe to include other characters/franchises such as Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern. Just because it is called and "Extended Universe", it doesn't mean nor necessitate that is expands into the Television Universe. That might be something you want to see, but you don't get to define what "Extended" means. |
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Post by brownstones on Aug 14, 2017 21:48:53 GMT
You know, salt and vinegar chips have grown on me quite a bit.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 14, 2017 21:55:45 GMT
They're the ones that don't make any effort to tie in their TV shows or have tie in comics. What about the DCEU is extended? It's pretty isolated isn't it? The DCIU?
It's the MCU that has numerous TV shows and comics that all tie in, although I wouldn't want that to be called the "extended universe". No, it is not at all. Before, the cinematic universe only had Superman and Batman and only films from those two franchises were made (with exception to "Steel" - which could still be considered part of the Superman family, Catwoman - which could still be considered part of the Batman family, and Green Lantern). Now they have extended the universe to include other characters/franchises such as Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern. Just because it is called and "Extended Universe", it doesn't mean nor necessitate that is expands into the Television Universe. That might be something you want to see, but you don't get to define what "Extended" means. ok |
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