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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 11, 2017 17:36:22 GMT
Somewhere, on some forum, Ada is briefly pausing in her ongoing combat with literally everyone there and spilling her pill bottles in excitement: abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/pope-francis-belgian-catholics-stop-offering-euthanasia-49131751Touchy issue. Should the mentally ill be offered the same autonomy as the terminally ill in selecting their time to go? The APA says no, but this seems to imply they see no possible means of getting the mentally ill to a place of rationality in which they can make an informed decision... essentially telling the mentally ill who are miserable enough to want an end to it that "they'll never be balanced enough to be given the means to end their misery". Tough message. |
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Post by progressiveelement on Aug 11, 2017 19:09:31 GMT
I thought Belgians were racist atheists, at least that's what Ada tried to tell herself to avoid blaming terrorists who attacked them. Ada is an expert on Belgium because a friend told her. I have been there, but who is anyone to argue with the English teacher incapable of basic writing skills, in fact basic communication at a level higher than monkey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 21:06:03 GMT
Mentally ill people are capable of making rational decisions about things, and the desire to cease suffering when there is good reason to think that the prospects of significant improvement are remote (such as the long-term mentally ill who have been through many different unsuccessful courses of treatment and are still suffering as much as ever) is one such rational line of thinking. Especially when nobody can give any objectively verifiable evidence for the assertion that "being dead is bad and infinitely worse than any degree of suffering". It's discriminatory to say that we have to completely discount a mentally ill person's desires concerning their own wellbeing without being able to point to any break down in their reasoning process. A bit like if an employer could fire his mentally ill employee without being able to demonstrate how the mental illness is impairing the employee's job performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 21:08:45 GMT
I thought Belgians were racist atheists, at least that's what Ada tried to tell herself to avoid blaming terrorists who attacked them. Ada is an expert on Belgium because a friend told her. I have been there, but who is anyone to argue with the English teacher incapable of basic writing skills, in fact basic communication at a level higher than monkey. It seems that Belgian Catholics may be are a lot more sane and rational than a lot of people calling themselves 'atheists' and 'free thinkers' who live in other parts. |
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Post by cupcakes on Aug 11, 2017 21:30:15 GMT
tpfkar The reason the terminally ill are offered euthanasia is they are in fact terminal, it's already over. Having the physically terminal mentally ill be able to make that call under guidance is a very different thing from institutionalizing either the mentally sound or ill getting euthanasia when they aren't terminal. Euthanasia for mental "misery" seems dystopian indeed. The message for the mentally ill should be "let's strive to improve your symptoms", and not "oh, well, see ya". Not to mention the encouragement they give to "the only good sentient being is a dead one" and "selfish parents attack their kids by virtue of having them" crowd. |
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Post by scienceisgod on Aug 11, 2017 23:00:26 GMT
Well that settles it. Your god has spoken. It's not a tough issue at all. It's a regular issue, and you could argue it any which way you like, except the way you did by citing an authority instead of an argument. The APA makes money off retards. It's in their interest to keep them alive, a clear conflict of interest. |
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Post by vernuf on Aug 12, 2017 5:22:30 GMT
Well that settles it. Your god has spoken. It's not a tough issue at all. It's a regular issue, and you could argue it any which way you like, except the way you did by citing an authority instead of an argument. The APA makes money off retards. It's in their interest to keep them alive, a clear conflict of interest. Got any evidence for that? No? You're a lying sack of shit? |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 12, 2017 15:13:06 GMT
Well that settles it. Your god has spoken.  You cut off the entire following phrase finding flaw in their position. Just so you could have something to say. You and Erjen have gotten so cartoonish and fringe in what you need to argue with, you keep having to supply it yourself. |
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Aug 12, 2017 15:18:00 GMT
I thought Belgians were racist atheists, at least that's what Ada tried to tell herself to avoid blaming terrorists who attacked them. Ada is an expert on Belgium because a friend told her. I have been there, but who is anyone to argue with the English teacher incapable of basic writing skills, in fact basic communication at a level higher than monkey. I used to live in Belgium and if anyone gets fed up with their fantastic beer and good food then they should be helped to end their lives. 'nough said. |
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Post by mslo79 on Sept 14, 2017 6:56:22 GMT
The Pope is 100% correct in saying that because offering euthanasia etc is a clear violation of the Catholic faith and a serious one at that. so as a Catholic you cannot support euthanasia. period. people think they are helping the person by ending their suffering through euthanasia but, in short, it offends God. I don't expect others to get this(because from a worldly standpoint suffering seems pointless (and naturally it sucks to suffer))... but in the Catholic faith, suffering does have a purpose. but to be clear... Catholics don't want people to suffer and should help alleviate their suffering when you can but there are some cases you can't do nothing to help and in that case your supposed to ride it out basically and trust in God (or 'offer it up' as they say  ). ending the persons life before their natural death, like with euthanasia, is a sin. p.s. www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm ; that's from the Vatican's website from 'The Catechism of the Catholic Church' (i.e. official church teachings). basically scroll down to 'Euthanasia' which is #2276-2279. just past that mentions suicide to under #2280-2283. here is another, much longer article, on Euthanasia etc... www.cuf.org/2004/04/true-compassion-for-the-dying-the-churchs-teaching-on-euthanasia/ |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 14, 2017 7:22:19 GMT
Well that settles it. Your god has spoken. You cut off the entire following phrase finding flaw in their position. Just so you could have something to say. You and Erjen have gotten so cartoonish and fringe in what you need to argue with, you keep having to supply it yourself. Whatever you have to tell yourself, laughing boy. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 14, 2017 10:10:00 GMT
LOL at Pope Francis thinking he speaks for God.
Show me the transcript Francis!
People should have the right to do to their body what they want.
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Post by Vegas on Sept 14, 2017 10:51:35 GMT
Well that settles it. Your god has spoken. You cut off the entire following phrase finding flaw in their position. Just so you could have something to say. You and Erjen have gotten so cartoonish and fringe in what you need to argue with, you keep having to supply it yourself. Love Letter #876 I know, I know, Snow Globe... You don't do call outs.... You're just talking about him, out of the blue.... again... because.... well..... It's true love. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 14, 2017 11:01:57 GMT
You cut off the entire following phrase finding flaw in their position. Just so you could have something to say. You and Erjen have gotten so cartoonish and fringe in what you need to argue with, you keep having to supply it yourself. Love Letter #876 I know, I know, Snow Globe... You don't do call outs.... You're just talking about him, out of the blue.... again... because.... well..... It's true love. Gee whiz, it's like Cine wants me to be his slut or something. Can't he understand that I'm not drawn that way? And even if I were, I wouldn't find him attractive.  |
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 14, 2017 12:09:29 GMT
tpfkar The Pope is 100% correct in saying that because offering euthanasia etc is a clear violation of the Catholic faith and a serious one at that. so as a Catholic you cannot support euthanasia. period. Nor contraception. Just an excuse for bestial behavior here on Earth. And yet, "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people".
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Post by Cinemachinery on Sept 14, 2017 19:42:46 GMT
The Pope is 100% correct in saying that because offering euthanasia etc is a clear violation of the Catholic faith and a serious one at that. so as a Catholic you cannot support euthanasia. Eh, they said the same about gay marriage. Religions which don't adapt to modern ethics tend to suffer in the long term. |
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Post by phludowin on Sept 14, 2017 20:37:47 GMT
Love Letter #876 I know, I know, Snow Globe... You don't do call outs.... You're just talking about him, out of the blue.... again... because.... well..... It's true love. Or maybe because it's less pathetic than crying salty tears, which some posters do after someone else mentiones them, but not by name...  |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 14, 2017 21:04:30 GMT
That sounds like something the Pope would say.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 14, 2017 22:05:14 GMT
That sounds like something the Pope would say. Are you talking about this: "Religions which don't adapt to modern ethics tend to suffer in the long term."? Sounds like a reasonable position. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 14, 2017 22:07:04 GMT
That sounds like something the Pope would say. Are you talking about this: "Religions which don't adapt to modern ethics tend to suffer in the long term."? Sounds like a reasonable position. No, I'm not talking about that.
I'm not sure euthanasia is ethical in 21st century anyway, but I'm no Pope...
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). ending the persons life before their natural death, like with euthanasia, is a sin.
