Pope Francis to Belgian Catholics: Stop Offering Euthanasia

Pope Francis to Belgian Catholics: Stop Offering Euthanasia Sept 18, 2017 1:37:58 GMT

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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 1:37:58 GMT

Sept 17, 2017 23:48:14 GMT cupcakes said:

Sept 17, 2017 23:17:39 GMT @miccee said:

If the right to die were enshrined into law (i.e. the fact that people can commit suicide does not make it a legally guaranteed right), and every case of assisted dying was properly documented, then those wrongful death lawsuits could go nowhere.

Right, and doctors aren't arrested every day, and documenting negligent, fraudulent or criminal reasons would stop all recourse cold.

Even stepping in front of a train moving at 80mph has been known to fail to kill a person

Doctors would still be arrested for criminal acts, but writing a prescription for Nembutal and overseeing the consumption of the medicine would not be a crime, and could not be tried as such as long as the consultation were properly documented and witnessed.

The fact that you think stepping in front of a train is a deliberative way for anything but maliciously making a grisly scene on the way out tells quite a bit.

Suicidal people jump in front of trains because it's one of the few effective methods of suicide that are readily available. When one is suffering intolerably and society keeps blocking all the exits; then desperate times will cause for desperate measures. The fact that it often has the unfortunate consequence of traumatising an innocent 3rd party is all the more reason why suicide should be assisted in a clinical setting. We can only hope that the people who are traumatised are the people who like you wish to criminalise assistance of suicide (then at least there will be poetic justice). Even a suicide committed in private may have the effect of traumatising the person who has to discover the scene.

That is just a la-la response. And mentally competent people can refuse both nutrition and treatment, not really grey at all.

It is a grey area, as anyone who would even entertain the possibility of dying a fraction of a microsecond earlier than they would otherwise die by natural causes is usually suspected of depression which casts doubt over their 'mental competence' in the eyes of the law, as it now stands. Also, their carers are able to force feed them and there isn't much that they can do about it.

Pope Francis to Belgian Catholics: Stop Offering Euthanasia Sept 18, 2017 2:12:39 GMT

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Post by cupcakes on Sept 18, 2017 2:12:39 GMT

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Sept 18, 2017 1:37:58 GMT @miccee said:

Sept 17, 2017 23:48:14 GMT cupcakes said:

Right, and doctors aren't arrested every day, and documenting negligent, fraudulent or criminal reasons would stop all recourse cold.

Even stepping in front of a train moving at 80mph has been known to fail to kill a person

Doctors would be arrested for criminal acts and fraud, and would be subject to civil suits both when they were negligent and when not. And some not negligent would be convicted and lose lawsuits, and some guilty of either or bot would escape consequence. But a couple of things happening is unassailable, the number of lawsuits would skyrocket and many who would normally would recover would instead die.

The fact that you think stepping in front of a train is a deliberative way for anything but maliciously making a grisly scene on the way out tells quite a bit.

Simply not true. And a bizarre that you keep claiming so. 15 uninterrupted minutes in a closet, the woods, or better yet in a hospital or psyche office restroom stall and unconsciousness in 10-15 seconds. Children unintentionally die every year playing games with the process. Amazing that as much as you rabidly pontificate that you seem to have such little knowledge. The very definition of undeliberative.

That is just a la-la response. And mentally competent people can refuse both nutrition and treatment, not really grey at all.

An yet the elderly and the terminal choose it all the time. There's even case law and medical guidance on it. Of course, when there's no physical reason and the person can't get the trivial-if-actually-decided-deed done without scenes or the incredibly stupid method (if malice is not the intention) of stepping in front of a train, then some kind of mental impairment is a given.

And they shouldn't be expected to pay the price of everyone else's joy. Especially if nobody would be deprived of that joy in a universe with no sentient life.