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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 12, 2017 15:39:36 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. DC is smart to keep their TV shows and movies separate. Comics, cartoons, TV shows, movies are separate mediums. Keeping them separate gives them more creative freedom to tell different stories without restrictions of needing to force everything to connect together when they don't connect at all.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 12, 2017 15:41:37 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. No, DC is lazy. Marvel is leading the pack with its innovations and experiments. Maybe they don't always work but at least they TRY, which is more than DC can say. Marvel made its money with the kind of comic inter-connectivity DC was always too cowardly to try until someone else did it first. But then again Marvel has always lead the pack.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 12, 2017 17:45:58 GMT
Jessica Jones is the zenith of human achievement.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 12, 2017 17:49:50 GMT
Jessica Jones is the zenith of human achievement.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 12, 2017 18:17:29 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. DC is smart to keep their TV shows and movies separate. Comics, cartoons, TV shows, movies are separate mediums. Keeping them separate gives them more creative freedom to tell different stories without restrictions of needing to force everything to connect together when they don't connect at all. No, marvel TV is just run by a different guy. Feige should be the head honcho of the TV branch as well. Alas he is just one guy... But even with those "problems" marvel TV is always pushing boundaries and doing different things. The arrowverse wich is better than the movies by a mile is becoming boring and stale. The same plot points. Look at the flash... Oh no another speedster who is he? Then it gets a reveal near the end of the season give me a break... The arrow, I'm the arrow, I'm not the arrow, I'm the arrow, I'm not the arrow I'm the Green arrow! Lot: look we have no money, let's just hang in the ship for the duration of the season. Haven't seen last season of Supergirl properly, so can't comment on that. Gave up on Gotham a long time ago. Constantine didn't even smoke... So don't worry about the MCU, worry about your side of the fence, the movies are tripe except one and the shows are getting stale. Even Justice league is transforming into a avengers clone, Wich is a good thing for everybody except you. Thank God wonder woman played more to the marvel side of doing things like the Justice league is clearly heading or it would be dead in the water.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 12, 2017 18:42:49 GMT
Constantine didn't even smoke... come on, now. the network came down on them on that and they were actually pretty clever about it. it was the least of the show's problems.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 12, 2017 18:52:20 GMT
Constantine didn't even smoke... come on, now. the network came down on them on that and they were actually pretty clever about it. it was the least of the show's problems. I don't know the details, care to explain? Thanks.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 12, 2017 19:05:33 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. DC is smart to keep their TV shows and movies separate. Comics, cartoons, TV shows, movies are separate mediums. Keeping them separate gives them more creative freedom to tell different stories without restrictions of needing to force everything to connect together when they don't connect at all. No, marvel TV is just run by a different guy. Feige should be the head honcho of the TV branch as well. Alas he is just one guy... The guy in charge of the Netflix shows is Jeph Loeb, and he hasn't had it together ever since his son died. I have sympathy, but I also have my limits. Of course, the thing is that Ike Perlmutter was cut out of the movies but not the TV shows so he's Loeb's boss. My guess is that Perlmutter wanted something in charge who isn't very innovative or creative so he won't rebel the way Feige did.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 12, 2017 19:16:54 GMT
come on, now. the network came down on them on that and they were actually pretty clever about it. it was the least of the show's problems. I don't know the details, care to explain? Thanks. not much to it, really. cigarettes are too pornographic for broad television audiences and Constantine suffered for it. they whitewashed the stories though, de-fanging them and wrecking characterization along the way.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 12, 2017 19:35:10 GMT
I don't know the details, care to explain? Thanks. not much to it, really. cigarettes are too pornographic for broad television audiences and Constantine suffered for it. they whitewashed the stories though, de-fanging them and wrecking characterization along the way. Yes, but how were they clever about it?
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Post by mcufan on Aug 12, 2017 19:37:52 GMT
No, marvel TV is just run by a different guy. Feige should be the head honcho of the TV branch as well. Alas he is just one guy... The guy in charge of the Netflix shows is Jeph Loeb, and he hasn't had it together ever since his son died. I have sympathy, but I also have my limits. Of course, the thing is that Ike Perlmutter was cut out of the movies but not the TV shows so he's Loeb's boss. My guess is that Perlmutter wanted something in charge who isn't very innovative or creative so he won't rebel the way Feige did. That's The same guy that is a consultant for Donald Trump and vetted the inclusion of female characters right?
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 12, 2017 20:29:48 GMT
The guy in charge of the Netflix shows is Jeph Loeb, and he hasn't had it together ever since his son died. I have sympathy, but I also have my limits. Of course, the thing is that Ike Perlmutter was cut out of the movies but not the TV shows so he's Loeb's boss. My guess is that Perlmutter wanted something in charge who isn't very innovative or creative so he won't rebel the way Feige did. That's The same guy that is a consultant for Donald Trump and vetted the inclusion of female characters right? Ike Perlmutter, yes. I dunno why Disney kept him around when they bought out Marvel.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 12, 2017 21:11:19 GMT
That's The same guy that is a consultant for Donald Trump and vetted the inclusion of female characters right? Ike Perlmutter, yes. I dunno why Disney kept him around when they bought out Marvel. Was he the same guy that sold characters left and right?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 12, 2017 23:17:54 GMT
The article you share is entirely opinionated and does not present any facts that cannot be disproven, and if you bothered the vast majority of comments responding to the article are not in favor of what it preaches.
I said this before in another thread, so I'll just repost it here...
DC having their TV shows and movies separate is not that smart of a plan, business wise, in the long run as it can create brand confusion. Say there's a Flash movie coming out one week and the series on The CW is in its new season and a new episode is intended to premiere that same week - The average consumer who isn't that big of a comic reader or too familiar with the brand may think to themselves "why bother paying to see the movie when I can get an alternative for free on network TV?" Same thing can be argued if Supergirl shows up in the Man of Steel sequel as she's speculated to and the TV show is still on the air, the average consumer is probably likely to think "Why see the origin when I've already got it on The CW? Pointless to spend that money..."
And even keeping them separate that still doesn't mean the movies are not influencing them from a stylistic point of view( Arrow's first two seasons were trying to mimic The Dark Knight Trilogy) and especially on a creative level - Like it or not, all the shows carry a level of creative restrictions to them, which is why we're not seeing Bruce Wayne anywhere else other than on Gotham, or Wonder Woman and Aquaman on The Flash or Arrow or Legends of Tomorrow. Sure, they can reference them but they cannot really show them because Warner Bros. wants to cash in on their big screen iterations more and avoid brand confusion. There are only a few exceptions, but notice that they are not mainstays on those programs, it goes not only for major DC characters but lesser known ones too - Suicide Squad made it difficult to have more appearances from Deadshot and Captain Boomerang in The CW-verse, and they couldn't do anything else with Harley Quinn other than that small cameo from season two of Arrow.
Powerless was a failure because it was its own thing and had zero ties to the CW-verse or the DCEU, and given the concept was solely based on referencing major characters like Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and The Flash they could only do so much and couldn't be allowed to cast actors as them or even show them. The interesting and crazy spectacle with them was only mentioned in passing, but never seen. A show like Powerless could only work if it was supplementing a pre-existing continuity, on its own it was dead on arrival and it was cancelled not long after it premiered.
The MCU shows work as supplementary to the movies and work to expand upon the world - Agents of SHIELD was the first series set in the universe and it and Agent Carter have the strongest connective tissue with the films given SHIELD association. On the Netflix side of things Daredevil season one couldn't have happened without the Chitauri invasion from The Avengers( "Hell's Kitchen needs to be reborn..."), Jessica Jones and Iron Fist make reference to the events of the movies as much as DD does while Luke Cage remains to have the strongest ties to the movies as Hammer technology( Iron Man 2) plays a big role in its first season.
The MCU shows and movies are not entirely made by the same creative forces, this is largely because of the friction between Ike Perlmutter and Kevin Feige, which is why a crossover between The Defenders and Avengers is "just a maybe" instead of absolute certainty right now. However, they cannot contradict the other too much because they need to follow quota. Even so, because of how laid out things are you don't necessarily have to see Captain America appear on Jessica Jones or Luke Cage because they're very street level and he was dealing with Avengers business and is now on the run from U.S. law - so you have reasons why this or that character isn't here or there, which works better compared to the DC-CW shows which can only talk about Batman but not reach out to him in any way without explaining why to the viewer - who would have to know but as there is no Batman seen they can only play guessing game.
Some DC fans also wish the movies and TV shows had connections, conceptually speaking Gotham could've worked as a prequel for the DCEU's Batman and Powerless could've worked as a supplementary series set around the events of the DCEU. But alas, they didn't do that route. However, don't rule out the possibility that DC isn't looking at TV to expand the DCEU, we had rumors of a Question TV series in development at HBO and rumor has it SyFy's Krypton maybe a prequel to Man of Steel.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 13, 2017 3:09:38 GMT
Even then, there are some connections between the Netflix shows and the main movies.
Nuke's entire character in JJ is derived from Captain America, they even got an actor who looks like Chris Evans and had him dress like Chris Evans.
Luke Cage has alien weapons reverse engineered from the Chitauri Invasion.
Daredevil, Kingpin's whole rise to power was by taking advantage of the chaos created by the Chitauri Invasion.
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Post by gromel on Aug 13, 2017 3:24:32 GMT
not much to it, really. cigarettes are too pornographic for broad television audiences and Constantine suffered for it. they whitewashed the stories though, de-fanging them and wrecking characterization along the way. Yes, but how were they clever about it? He was stubbing them out in ashtrays, then he was smoking from behind, then he had them in his mouth but didn't inhale.
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Post by gromel on Aug 13, 2017 3:31:24 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. DC is smart to keep their TV shows and movies separate. Comics, cartoons, TV shows, movies are separate mediums. Keeping them separate gives them more creative freedom to tell different stories without restrictions of needing to force everything to connect together when they don't connect at all. While the movies are canon to the shows, the shows are functionally non-canon to the movies. Just lip service. Also leave this board alone so they can leave the DC board alone.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 13, 2017 3:52:45 GMT
Even then, there are some connections between the Netflix shows and the main movies. Nuke's entire character in JJ is derived from Captain America, they even got an actor who looks like Chris Evans and had him dress like Chris Evans. Luke Cage has alien weapons reverse engineered from the Chitauri Invasion. Daredevil, Kingpin's whole rise to power was by taking advantage of the chaos created by the Chitauri Invasion. I do think it would've been nice if they coughed up the extra dough to put Avengers tower in the background of the Netflix shows, what this person did here is really impressive and couldn't have had that too complex of software to edit it all in and make it seamless... www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtX_mlN__AStill, it is a bit distracting from the story, which is a valid argument.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 13, 2017 3:53:24 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. DC is smart to keep their TV shows and movies separate. Comics, cartoons, TV shows, movies are separate mediums. Keeping them separate gives them more creative freedom to tell different stories without restrictions of needing to force everything to connect together when they don't connect at all. While the movies are canon to the shows, the shows are functionally non-canon to the movies. Just lip service. Also leave this board alone so they can leave the DC board alone. DC-Fan just loves to troll, they enjoy getting fans riled up.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 13, 2017 3:56:54 GMT
Marvel TV shows killing MCUThis is why TV and movies should be kept separate. MCU dictator Kevin Feige is too dumb to understand that TV and movies are 2 separate mediums and should be kept separate. DC is smart to keep their TV shows and movies separate. Comics, cartoons, TV shows, movies are separate mediums. Keeping them separate gives them more creative freedom to tell different stories without restrictions of needing to force everything to connect together when they don't connect at all. One thing I will agree on is the costumes. MCU TV/Netflix shows do have some pretty bad costumes. This is at least something that DC legitimately does better.
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