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Aug 12, 2017 19:49:51 GMT
Post by snsurone on Aug 12, 2017 19:49:51 GMT
IMHO, the horse is one of the most beautiful and magnificent of all God's creations. Yet, throughout human history, this animal has been used and exploited more than any other. First, the wild horses are captured and "broken", and then have to suffer being saddled, bridled, harnessed and forced to serve man. Then, they are bred (and maybe overbred) so that new generations will be available for servitude. Granted, the motor vehicle has replaced the horse for many jobs, but still, they are used for human amusement: racing, polo, etc.
I'm posting this message on this board, because I see this situation a lot on movies and TV shows, especially Westerns. I know of no other animal that has been more exploited than the horse.
I wonder if there are any wild horses left, especially in the US.
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Aug 12, 2017 19:55:47 GMT
Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 12, 2017 19:55:47 GMT
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Aug 12, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 12, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
BLM approves plan to remove wild horses from outside established area The Bureau of Land Management today announced a final decision to remove up to 100 wild horses this fall from private land and other areas outside the designated Piceance-East Douglas Herd Management Area in northwestern Colorado. The decision will also allow future gathers to remove wild horses that stray from the 300-square-mile Piceance-East Douglas HMA designated for their management. “The BLM is committed to maintaining a healthy wild horse population on healthy rangelands in the Piceance-East Douglas Herd Management Area,” said BLM White River Field Manager Kent Walter. “Wild horses that stray from the established Herd Management Area need to be removed to reduce conflicts with other resources and private land under the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act.” The BLM will primarily use a helicopter drive trap method to gather the horses from private lands in the Cathedral Creek area. If less than 100 wild horses are gathered from this area, the BLM may elect to gather horses from additional nearby areas outside the HMA. The BLM currently estimates that there are 210 wild horses outside the HMA within the area covered by this decision, which includes about 773,000 acres in the White River Field Office east of Colorado Highway 139, south of Colorado Highway 64 and west of Colorado Highway 13. The decision area does not include the West Douglas Herd Area, which is west of Colorado Highway 139. Wild horses removed through this gather will be taken to the Canon City holding facility and be made available for adoption or sale. The decision record and environmental assessment are available at bit.ly/2rDXBi1 .
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Aug 12, 2017 20:00:56 GMT
Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 12, 2017 20:00:56 GMT
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Post by teleadm on Aug 12, 2017 21:59:58 GMT
No matter how much I love "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" wire tapping horses legs to make them fall is wrong wrong wrong!!!! Director George Roy Hill in a 1969 docu said "we went to Mexico" wire tapping horses was legal there. Sure never ask how the horse felt....
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Aug 13, 2017 0:20:59 GMT
Post by politicidal on Aug 13, 2017 0:20:59 GMT
The 1975 western film BITE THE BULLET actually dealt with the issue of animal abuse, particularly horses, in the genre within the context of a long distance horse race driving the plot. I initially didn't like it for that reason (it doesn't pull punches) but like it better now.
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Aug 13, 2017 9:19:29 GMT
Post by Stammerhead on Aug 13, 2017 9:19:29 GMT
One of my favourite films of all time is The Wind and the Lion but the horse falls in that film are dreadful to watch. The director and stunt coordinator claim that the horses were not mistreated but this is why the film is not available in the UK.
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Aug 13, 2017 9:22:43 GMT
Post by Stammerhead on Aug 13, 2017 9:22:43 GMT
BLM approves plan to remove wild horses from outside established area The Bureau of Land Management today announced a final decision to remove up to 100 wild horses this fall from private land and other areas outside the designated Piceance-East Douglas Herd Management Area in northwestern Colorado. The decision will also allow future gathers to remove wild horses that stray from the 300-square-mile Piceance-East Douglas HMA designated for their management. “The BLM is committed to maintaining a healthy wild horse population on healthy rangelands in the Piceance-East Douglas Herd Management Area,” said BLM White River Field Manager Kent Walter. “Wild horses that stray from the established Herd Management Area need to be removed to reduce conflicts with other resources and private land under the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act.” The BLM will primarily use a helicopter drive trap method to gather the horses from private lands in the Cathedral Creek area. If less than 100 wild horses are gathered from this area, the BLM may elect to gather horses from additional nearby areas outside the HMA. The BLM currently estimates that there are 210 wild horses outside the HMA within the area covered by this decision, which includes about 773,000 acres in the White River Field Office east of Colorado Highway 139, south of Colorado Highway 64 and west of Colorado Highway 13. The decision area does not include the West Douglas Herd Area, which is west of Colorado Highway 139. Wild horses removed through this gather will be taken to the Canon City holding facility and be made available for adoption or sale. The decision record and environmental assessment are available at bit.ly/2rDXBi1 . My first thought was "What does this have to do with Black Lives Matter?"
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Aug 13, 2017 15:40:42 GMT
Post by koskiewicz on Aug 13, 2017 15:40:42 GMT
During the making of "Charge of the Light Brigade" with Errol Flynn, many horses were severely injured during filming forcing Hollywood to enact some animal safety rules...not sure how that had any effect, but at least it brought the problem to the publics attention...
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Aug 14, 2017 0:19:15 GMT
Post by mikef6 on Aug 14, 2017 0:19:15 GMT
Thanks for this thread. It is an important issue. Here is another example of horse misuse in classic film.
1939’s Jesse James (Tyrone Power, Henry Fonda, directed by Henry King) contains a famous but cruel stunt that must have resulted in the death of a horse. When Nicholas Ray remade the film in 1957 (The True Story of Jesse James with Robert Wagner), he used some stock footage from the earlier movie, including the deadly stunt. Using the clip was cruel in itself, but at least they get some points for not duplicating it anew.
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Aug 14, 2017 2:22:19 GMT
Post by snsurone on Aug 14, 2017 2:22:19 GMT
I understand and I agree with your comments on horse cruelty in movies. But the gist of my OP is the cruel and unnatural exploitation of horses in general, throughout history. I can't help but compare it to human slavery: whips, restraints, and the total breaking of their spirits, even among horses born in captivity. Of course, the past can't be changed, but I feel that the use of horses today for human pleasures should be curbed. My skin crawls thinking at the fate of these animals when their "usefulness" has ended.
I hope you understand what I mean.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:35:46 GMT
Post by koskiewicz on Aug 14, 2017 15:35:46 GMT
...on the flip side, if you want a truly uplifting movie where wild horses are the center attraction, watch "The Man From Snowy River"
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Aug 14, 2017 16:48:54 GMT
Post by snsurone on Aug 14, 2017 16:48:54 GMT
The evolution of the horse, from "Eohippus" to "Equus" is a fascinating history.
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Aug 18, 2017 17:48:27 GMT
Post by snsurone on Aug 18, 2017 17:48:27 GMT
There is a Western, starring Ann Blyth (whose 89th birthday was a couple of days ago) that centered on the capture and "training" of a wild horse. Dammit, but I can't remember the name of that movie! What I do remember is at the end, the animal was shorn of its shackles and was freed to return to its life in the wild.
Does anyone know the title of that film?
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Aug 19, 2017 1:27:44 GMT
Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 19, 2017 1:27:44 GMT
There is a Western, starring Ann Blyth (whose 89th birthday was a couple of days ago) that centered on the capture and "training" of a wild horse. Dammit, but I can't remember the name of that movie! What I do remember is at the end, the animal was shorn of its shackles and was freed to return to its life in the wild. Does anyone know the title of that film? Red Canyon 
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Aug 19, 2017 19:11:56 GMT
Post by snsurone on Aug 19, 2017 19:11:56 GMT
Thank you.
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Post by teleadm on Aug 19, 2017 19:29:58 GMT
I just love this picture, it has nothing to do with movies, I just love the pic 
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 19, 2017 20:01:50 GMT
I just love this picture, it has nothing to do with movies, I just love the pic Really great horse picture and it fits perfectly since the thread has "nothing to do with movies" either !
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Aug 19, 2017 20:32:06 GMT
Post by camimac on Aug 19, 2017 20:32:06 GMT
IMHO, the horse is one of the most beautiful and magnificent of all God's creations. Yet, throughout human history, this animal has been used and exploited more than any other. First, the wild horses are captured and "broken", and then have to suffer being saddled, bridled, harnessed and forced to serve man. Then, they are bred (and maybe overbred) so that new generations will be available for servitude. Granted, the motor vehicle has replaced the horse for many jobs, but still, they are used for human amusement: racing, polo, etc. I'm posting this message on this board, because I see this situation a lot on movies and TV shows, especially Westerns. I know of no other animal that has been more exploited than the horse. I wonder if there are any wild horses left, especially in the US. You don't think that dogs are exploited just as much as horses? They were never generally used for transportation, but there are sled dogs. We also use dogs for servitude (ex, they are trained to be police dogs; there are dogs in the military; there are seeing eye dogs; there are emotional comfort animal dogs, etc.) Dogs are also widely used in movies and on tv and there safety is not always taken into consideration. We also breed (and maybe overbreed) dogs for a variety of different reasons.
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Aug 19, 2017 20:39:42 GMT
Post by koskiewicz on Aug 19, 2017 20:39:42 GMT
...err...humans were and still are exploited for servitude...
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