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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 1, 2017 7:51:53 GMT
So what? You're acting like human beings had to happen. Or that life doesn't exist elsewhere.
That is what you posted, my inference is that you believe there is life elsewhere. I never said you had evidence or proof (you really do need to hone your comprehension skills). My posts on this thread (which you read only part of) were just that, you had neither but believe there is life elsewhere, in the absence of both. You might want to let the penny drop!!
Right, and that doesn't say I believe it does. I just says that you're assuming it doesn't. You really need to hone your comprehension skills.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Mar 1, 2017 7:59:16 GMT
I never said I had evidence of life elsewhere. Where did you make that up? I said exactly what you just said, that we know of similar circumstances that could support life.
And I'm only responding to what you wrote me directly. Don't assume I'm following every post you write to others. That just makes you look foolish.
So what? You're acting like human beings had to happen. Or that life doesn't exist elsewhere.
That is what you posted, my inference is that you believe there is life elsewhere. I never said you had evidence or proof (you really do need to hone your comprehension skills). My posts on this thread (which you read only part of) were just that, you had neither but believe there is life elsewhere, in the absence of both. You might want to let the penny drop!!
We are here, and that sets a precedent. We know life can exist. If it can exist here, it can exist elsewhere under similar conditions. Earlier this year I discovered an ant in the house, very unusual for January. And it worried me a bit because even though one ant doesn't mean there are more, they are usually found in numbers following the same trail, so if there is one ant in the house, there may absolutely be more. It is not an unreasonable assumption.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 1, 2017 8:04:22 GMT
So what? You're acting like human beings had to happen. Or that life doesn't exist elsewhere.
That is what you posted, my inference is that you believe there is life elsewhere. I never said you had evidence or proof (you really do need to hone your comprehension skills). My posts on this thread (which you read only part of) were just that, you had neither but believe there is life elsewhere, in the absence of both. You might want to let the penny drop!!
Right, and that doesn't say I believe it does. I just says that you're assuming it doesn't. You really need to hone your comprehension skills.
So let's be clear, I don't want you under any misapprehension here, in the same way you felt you gave a good account of yourself on the radio but did anything but. Do you believe life exists elsewhere in the universe? And so you are under no illusion, I do. If you can stop prevaricating for ne moment and focus we should clear this up.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 1, 2017 8:06:44 GMT
So what? You're acting like human beings had to happen. Or that life doesn't exist elsewhere.
That is what you posted, my inference is that you believe there is life elsewhere. I never said you had evidence or proof (you really do need to hone your comprehension skills). My posts on this thread (which you read only part of) were just that, you had neither but believe there is life elsewhere, in the absence of both. You might want to let the penny drop!!
We are here, and that sets a precedent. We know life can exist. If it can exist here, it can exist elsewhere under similar conditions. Earlier this year I discovered an ant in the house, very unusual for January. And it worried me a bit because even though one ant doesn't mean there are more, they are usually found in numbers following the same trail, so if there is one ant in the house, there may absolutely be more. It is not an unreasonable assumption. And I've responded to that before. That life here would suggest there is the possibility elsewhere but that does not mean there certainly is.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 1, 2017 8:10:00 GMT
So let's be clear, I don't want you under any misapprehension here, in the same way you felt you gave a good account of yourself on the radio but did anything but. Do you believe life exists elsewhere in the universe? And so you are under no illusion, I do. If you can stop prevaricating for ne moment and focus we should clear this up. I believe it's possible for life to exist elsewhere, based on the evidence that we have already discovered numerous worlds with similar composition to our own in habitable zones. Certainly there are billions of such worlds.
It's very curious you feel the need to try to denigrate my radio appearance. I mean, I'm almost smiling at your inability to even pretend to hold a serious conversation, which you're going to say something that stupid.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 1, 2017 8:47:51 GMT
So let's be clear, I don't want you under any misapprehension here, in the same way you felt you gave a good account of yourself on the radio but did anything but. Do you believe life exists elsewhere in the universe? And so you are under no illusion, I do. If you can stop prevaricating for ne moment and focus we should clear this up. I believe it's possible for life to exist elsewhere, based on the evidence that we have already discovered numerous worlds with similar composition to our own in habitable zones. Certainly there are billions of such worlds.
It's very curious you feel the need to try to denigrate my radio appearance. I mean, I'm almost smiling at your inability to even pretend to hold a serious conversation, which you're going to say something that stupid.
Haha I don't need to denigrate your radio appearance, you've done that yourself by pretending to be the hardened atheist, cyberstrutting on here intolerant of people of faith whilst the timid little mouse appeared on the radio. To use your own words lololol!
So you believe there is life elsewhere, fine stop doing a little dance and ay so. I'm smiling reading your tippy dance around. Oops and there you go again, Certainly there are billions of such worlds. Probably, yes, but again that is not a fact, I mean look at the excitement at discovering one.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 1, 2017 8:52:07 GMT
Haha I don't need to denigrate your radio appearance, you've done that yourself by pretending to be the hardened atheist, cyberstrutting on here intolerant of people of faith whilst the timid little mouse appeared on the radio. To use your own words lololol!
So you believe there is life elsewhere, fine stop doing a little dance and ay so. I'm smiling reading your tippy dance around. Oops and there you go again, Certainly there are billions of such worlds. Probably, yes, but again that is not a fact, I mean look at the excitement at discovering one.
I wasn't timid at all, it was my first radio appearance, and I was being a mix of both measured in what I said along with respectful to the hosts, but I had no problem holding a conversation with a published author. I think you're jealous actually.
And why would I be tolerant of a baseless idea? Why do you think irrational ideas should be tolerated?
I didn't say I believed life was elsewhere, I said I believed it was possible, and perhaps even likely. Can you not grasp that we don't have to make decisions about things we don't know? You can just say you don't know. Get it?
We've discovered far more than 1 by the way, and that's just within a hundred light years or so, hence my remark that there are certainly billions. You do know that 100 light years is basically right next door right?
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 1, 2017 9:03:03 GMT
Haha I don't need to denigrate your radio appearance, you've done that yourself by pretending to be the hardened atheist, cyberstrutting on here intolerant of people of faith whilst the timid little mouse appeared on the radio. To use your own words lololol!
So you believe there is life elsewhere, fine stop doing a little dance and ay so. I'm smiling reading your tippy dance around. Oops and there you go again, Certainly there are billions of such worlds. Probably, yes, but again that is not a fact, I mean look at the excitement at discovering one.
I wasn't timid at all, it was my first radio appearance, and I was being a mix of both measured in what I said along with respectful to the hosts, but I had no problem holding a conversation with a published author. I think you're jealous actually.
And why would I be tolerant of a baseless idea? Why do you think irrational ideas should be tolerated?
I didn't say I believed life was elsewhere, I said I believed it was possible, and perhaps even likely. Can you not grasp that we don't have to make decisions about things we don't know? You can just say you don't know. Get it?
We've discovered far more than 1 by the way, and that's just within a hundred light years or so, hence my remark that there are certainly billions. You do know that 100 light years is basically right next door right?
So what? You're acting like human beings had to happen. Or that life doesn't exist elsewhere.
I didn't say I believed life was elsewhere, I said I believed it was possible, and perhaps even likely
Hmmm that's not what your first statement sounds like.
I think you're jealous actually. This place needs a chokes on coffee icon
And did I say we had discovered just one, that reading comprehension still isn't working for you is it?
You do know that 100 light years is basically right next door right?
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Post by Karl Aksel on Mar 1, 2017 9:04:24 GMT
We are here, and that sets a precedent. We know life can exist. If it can exist here, it can exist elsewhere under similar conditions. Earlier this year I discovered an ant in the house, very unusual for January. And it worried me a bit because even though one ant doesn't mean there are more, they are usually found in numbers following the same trail, so if there is one ant in the house, there may absolutely be more. It is not an unreasonable assumption. And I've responded to that before. That life here would suggest there is the possibility elsewhere but that does not mean there certainly is. That there certainly is? As in 100% certain? Of course not. But our presence does constitute evidence, and the odds are not far shy of 100%. There are over 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone, and there are perhaps 100-200 billion galaxies. The odds of life not existing elsewhere are extremely low, even when you factor in all the conditions which must be met.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 1, 2017 9:08:42 GMT
So what? You're acting like human beings had to happen. Or that life doesn't exist elsewhere.
I didn't say I believed life was elsewhere, I said I believed it was possible, and perhaps even likely
Hmmm that's not what your first statement sounds like.
I think you're jealous actually. This place needs a chokes on coffee icon
And did I say we had discovered just one, that reading comprehension still isn't working for you is it?
You do know that 100 light years is basically right next door right?
Seriously, is this conversation going anywhere? Or is just petty bitching? I don't see you saying anything of value. Are you just here to mindlessly bitch back and forth like a little girl? I really don't get it.
I mean I'm not going to respond again unless you have something worth talking about. This is just dumb.
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Post by chasallnut on Mar 1, 2017 9:27:04 GMT
And I've responded to that before. That life here would suggest there is the possibility elsewhere but that does not mean there certainly is. That there certainly is? As in 100% certain? Of course not. But our presence does constitute evidence, and the odds are not far shy of 100%. There are over 200 billion stars in our galaxy alone, and there are perhaps 100-200 billion galaxies. The odds of life not existing elsewhere are extremely low, even when you factor in all the conditions which must be met. Karl, I am not disagreeing with you. ABR or ArArArchstanton as he is here bangs on about proof, evidence etc and plays word games. Then he has the audacity to use words like certainly and in another thread stated that one of the planets did have liquid water on it and when confronted played his little two step. I am just pegging him to his own words.
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Post by itsmagic on Mar 16, 2017 11:00:45 GMT
Faith. Trust. additional also(page one)
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Post by clusium on Mar 16, 2017 11:32:07 GMT
There are so many things necessary for human beings to be alive: the right location in the right kind of galaxy orbiting at the right distance from the right type of star in a continuously stable orbit. Somehow all the required astrophysical and geological events did occur. Is it possible for them to have happened without a guiding force? Yes.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 16, 2017 11:51:40 GMT
There are so many things necessary for human beings to be alive: the right location in the right kind of galaxy orbiting at the right distance from the right type of star in a continuously stable orbit. Somehow all the required astrophysical and geological events did occur. Is it possible for them to have happened without a guiding force? I suspect that many people are aware there was likely some "creator" or intelligent force involved in the successful establishment of life on Earth who nevertheless say they do not think there was. It's not so much that they're "lying" as it's that they really do not want to believe in a creator. The better question then might be, why don't they want to believe in a creator? That's the 900 pound gorilla in the room. For some decades after Darwin even some moderately intelligent and well educated (by the standards of the times) people began to think science would explain the origin of life without a creator. A significant part of society accepted that science had explained away all gods. Everyone, whether they agreed with that development or not, had to adjust. They changed the way they viewed their religions. They adapted to the significantly reduced influence they could exercise from the standpoint of their religion. Now they have fully adapted and they simply are not certain how to go back. So much of the art of their religion has been lost. Government took the place of religion. Most people still are not aware what a terrible replacement government is, although it is beginning to become more obvious. The concept of religion most people have is of a "Christianity" that has no discipline at all and only exists to antagonize government that is the only thing keeping any order. That is of course a totally wrong view of religion. Religion is the foundation of good discipline, not government. So I would say that people do not want there to be a creator because they think the whole order in society would be torn apart.
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Post by 🌵 on Mar 16, 2017 12:33:30 GMT
No. There is no good reason to think that there is a "creator" of any kind. There are so many things necessary for human beings to be alive: the right location in the right kind of galaxy orbiting at the right distance from the right type of star in a continuously stable orbit. Somehow all the required astrophysical and geological events did occur. Is it possible for them to have happened without a guiding force? Yes, of course it's possible. The universe contains billions of galaxies, each galaxy contains millions or billions of planets. It's no surprise that the conditions necessary for life (the right orbit, the right geology and atmosphere, etc) happen to obtain somewhere. There are probably millions of Earth-like planets in the universe.
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Post by 🌵 on Mar 16, 2017 12:41:00 GMT
There are so many things necessary for human beings to be alive: the right location in the right kind of galaxy orbiting at the right distance from the right type of star in a continuously stable orbit. Somehow all the required astrophysical and geological events did occur. Is it possible for them to have happened without a guiding force? I suspect that many people are aware there was likely some "creator" or intelligent force involved in the successful establishment of life on Earth who nevertheless say they do not think there was. It's not so much that they're "lying" as it's that they really do not want to believe in a creator. Most of the atheists and agnostics that I know, including myself, do not really care one way or the other whether there is a creator. There are certainly some atheists/agnostics who strongly dislike the idea that the universe has a creator. I think Christopher Hitchens described at least the Christian God as a "cosmic dictator" or a "cosmic North Korea" or something along those lines (I'm not sure how he felt about non-interventionist, deistic deities; maybe he didn't find those so bad). But in my own experience, that kind of attitude is rare. Indeed, a lot of atheists/agnostics that I know say that they'd prefer it if there were a god. They find the idea of god comforting, but just don't see any reason to believe it.
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Post by Catman on Mar 16, 2017 12:44:58 GMT
No.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Mar 16, 2017 15:22:12 GMT
Yes! I believe that people created gods.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 16, 2017 16:03:59 GMT
I suspect that many people are aware there was likely some "creator" or intelligent force involved in the successful establishment of life on Earth who nevertheless say they do not think there was. It's not so much that they're "lying" as it's that they really do not want to believe in a creator. Most of the atheists and agnostics that I know, including myself, do not really care one way or the other whether there is a creator. There are certainly some atheists/agnostics who strongly dislike the idea that the universe has a creator. I think Christopher Hitchens described at least the Christian God as a "cosmic dictator" or a "cosmic North Korea" or something along those lines (I'm not sure how he felt about non-interventionist, deistic deities; maybe he didn't find those so bad). But in my own experience, that kind of attitude is rare. Indeed, a lot of atheists/agnostics that I know say that they'd prefer it if there were a god. They find the idea of god comforting, but just don't see any reason to believe it. Yet again when atheists complain about religion it's "Christianity." That is not a religion. It does illustrate the point I made about how the art of religion is lost. Remember > The concept of religion most people have is of a "Christianity" that has no discipline at all and only exists to antagonize government that is the only thing keeping any order. That is of course a totally wrong view of religion. Religion is the foundation of good discipline, not government.
I think the overwhelming majority of atheists very much do not want there to be a creator. I think that has an effect on the others like you (if you are what you say). It makes it appear that "everyone scientific" doesn't see any reason to believe in a creator, and that isn't true. The evidence is very strong for an intelligent designer and has been for decades. I go so far as to say it's proved.
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Post by vernuf on Mar 16, 2017 16:06:30 GMT
There are so many things necessary for human beings to be alive: the right location in the right kind of galaxy orbiting at the right distance from the right type of star in a continuously stable orbit. Somehow all the required astrophysical and geological events did occur. Is it possible for them to have happened without a guiding force? I suspect that many people are aware there was likely some "creator" or intelligent force involved in the successful establishment of life on Earth who nevertheless say they do not think there was. It's not so much that they're "lying" as it's that they really do not want to believe in a creator. The better question then might be, why don't they want to believe in a creator? That's the 900 pound gorilla in the room. Because you're full of shit, Arlon.
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