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Post by politicidal on Aug 13, 2017 23:18:15 GMT
...specifically as being "propaganda". I guess either Luc Besson didn't watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier or missed the point entirely. TEXT: “What bothers me most is it’s always here to show the supremacy of America and how they are great. I mean, which country in the world would have the guts to call a film Captain Brazil or Captain France? I mean, no one! We would be like so ashamed and say, ‘No, no, come on, we can’t do that.’ They can. They can call it Captain America and everybody think it’s normal. I’m not here for propaganda, I’m here to tell a story.” One wonders if some of Besson’s criticism amounts to little more than sour grapes. His most recent film, Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets, utterly bombed at the box office in the United States, with a current worldwide total of only $89 million on a $177 million budget. Critics also mostly disliked it, which stands in start contrast to last year’s Captain America: Civil War – a movie where Captain America goes against the desires of the US government – which was a critical darling and hauled in over $1 billion worldwide, $745 million of which came from outside the U.S. Clearly they didn’t mind the “propaganda.” Another part of Besson’s point that doesn’t entirely make sense is his complaint specifically about America calling a film franchise Captain America. Considering that Cap has existed on the comics page for many decades longer than he has as a film star, what was Besson expecting Marvel to do, rename him for movie purposes? screenrant.com/luc-besson-calls-captain-america-propaganda/ |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 14, 2017 1:04:11 GMT
He apparently has never heard of Captain Britain or Captain Canuck.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 14, 2017 1:18:21 GMT
He apparently has never heard of Captain Britain or Captain Canuck. Egh, I think he's still butt hurt no one wanted to see his movie Valerian and the City of 1000 Planets. I mean, who will trust him with $200 million again after that bombed? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 1:38:53 GMT
Well, there's another filmmaker I'll be adding to my "Never watch their films" list.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 14, 2017 2:33:33 GMT
He's yet to make a good movie north of the 20th century, so he's probably just bitter.
Has he even watched the movies, though? They explain why he has the name he does.
All that said, I can't believe this hasn't been brought up before. People will find anything to complain about nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 2:56:51 GMT
I'm curious as to what he means by "propaganda"? The basic message behind each of the CA films has been: be a good person no matter how hard it is.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 14, 2017 2:59:22 GMT
it's always a little sad when someone whose work i admire gets snobby about stuff i like.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 14, 2017 3:45:31 GMT
Eh.
He's already stated he's not a superhero fan, and he's probably upset that Valerian did poorly.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 8:42:39 GMT
he clearly has not seen the movies and uses them as a straw man; these films were radically watered down politically so to ensure international marketability. In some markets the title does not even say Cap America.
If Besson wants to criticize this is the wrong approach. In the end these are movies with laser battles in WWII, "Hail Hydra" screaming baddies and superheroes clobbering because of mommy issues in life-and-death situations. Not to forget the titular hero becoming a sidelined supporting character in his final movie.
That is bad enough, but you would actually have to watch to see.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 14, 2017 11:45:56 GMT
If Besson wants to criticize this is the wrong approach. In the end these are movies with laser battles in WWII,
So like Indiana Jones if the bad guys ever weaponized any of the mystical stuff they found, cool. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 11:55:01 GMT
If Besson wants to criticize this is the wrong approach. In the end these are movies with laser battles in WWII,
So like Indiana Jones if the bad guys ever weaponized any of the mystical stuff they found, cool. yeah basically. Notice that you always have to invent pieces and elements to movies to bring them down to MCU level? Like this absurd notion of Lazergun-Indy or when you claimed WW's boyfriend will return from the dead like in MCU formula flicks?
This alone should tell you something about their comparative writing qualities...
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 14, 2017 11:56:02 GMT
So like Indiana Jones if the bad guys ever weaponized any of the mystical stuff they found, cool. yeah basically. Notice that you always have to invent pieces and elements to movies to bring them down to MCU level?
No, I just point out the stuff in those movies that were always there. Like the Nazis trying to weaponize mystical artifacts they were looking for in Indiana Jones. And DC WILL bring back Steve Trevor. As for the MCU formula, their only formula is success. |
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Post by politicidal on Aug 14, 2017 12:26:35 GMT
He's yet to make a good movie north of the 20th century, so he's probably just bitter. Has he even watched the movies, though? They explain why he has the name he does. All that said, I can't believe this hasn't been brought up before. People will find anything to complain about nowadays. Yeah, the 1990s crop of action directors haven't really moved on yet. Remember John McTiernan saying the same thing some while ago? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 14, 2017 12:34:18 GMT
He's yet to make a good movie north of the 20th century, so he's probably just bitter. Has he even watched the movies, though? They explain why he has the name he does. All that said, I can't believe this hasn't been brought up before. People will find anything to complain about nowadays. Yeah, the 1990s crop of action directors haven't really moved on yet. Remember John McTiernan saying the same thing some while ago? Eh, it's just professional envy. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 12:36:55 GMT
yeah basically. Notice that you always have to invent pieces and elements to movies to bring them down to MCU level?
No, I just point out the stuff in those movies that were always there. Like the Nazis trying to weaponize mystical artifacts they were looking for in Indiana Jones. And DC WILL bring back Steve Trevor. nah, you are straw man-ing and misrepresenting without any nuance. Showing full-fledged laser gun battles in a film with a serious/realistic tone like Cap1 is one thing.
"An army which carries the Ark before it is invincible." Giving the Nazi baddies some motivational background in the dialogue (!) is another thing. And it would not be an idiotic laser battle in the time of holocaust and shoa, it just would be like carrying the Holy Lance - as happened in the middle age battles to ensure victory. That was exactly the Nazi thing who were obsessed with middle age artefacts...
Lets not even discuss the great Good-Guy-becomes-Good-Guy-BEEFCAKE!!!-arc, or the Hail-Hydra embarrassment or Red Skull guy or the cute shoot-in-leg "humor"...still, admittedly, Cap1 was a masterpiece compared to the raccoon turd movies...nuance, samy,all a matter of nuance...
source..?
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Post by mcufan on Aug 14, 2017 12:59:38 GMT
...specifically as being "propaganda". I guess either Luc Besson didn't watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier or missed the point entirely. TEXT: “What bothers me most is it’s always here to show the supremacy of America and how they are great. I mean, which country in the world would have the guts to call a film Captain Brazil or Captain France? I mean, no one! We would be like so ashamed and say, ‘No, no, come on, we can’t do that.’ They can. They can call it Captain America and everybody think it’s normal. I’m not here for propaganda, I’m here to tell a story.” One wonders if some of Besson’s criticism amounts to little more than sour grapes. His most recent film, Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets, utterly bombed at the box office in the United States, with a current worldwide total of only $89 million on a $177 million budget. Critics also mostly disliked it, which stands in start contrast to last year’s Captain America: Civil War – a movie where Captain America goes against the desires of the US government – which was a critical darling and hauled in over $1 billion worldwide, $745 million of which came from outside the U.S. Clearly they didn’t mind the “propaganda.” Another part of Besson’s point that doesn’t entirely make sense is his complaint specifically about America calling a film franchise Captain America. Considering that Cap has existed on the comics page for many decades longer than he has as a film star, what was Besson expecting Marvel to do, rename him for movie purposes? screenrant.com/luc-besson-calls-captain-america-propaganda/ Did he say it while stomping his feet and pouting? Cause he looks like a child, criticizing a success after having a flop. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 14, 2017 14:55:58 GMT
No, I just point out the stuff in those movies that were always there. Like the Nazis trying to weaponize mystical artifacts they were looking for in Indiana Jones. And DC WILL bring back Steve Trevor. nah, you are straw man-ing and misrepresenting without any nuance. Showing full-fledged laser gun battles in a film with a serious/realistic tone like Cap1 is one thing.
"An army which carries the Ark before it is invincible." Giving the Nazi baddies some motivational background in the dialogue (!) is another thing. And it would not be an idiotic laser battle in the time of holocaust and shoa, it just would be like carrying the Holy Lance - as happened in the middle age battles to ensure victory. That was exactly the Nazi thing who were obsessed with middle age artefacts...
Lets not even discuss the great Good-Guy-becomes-Good-Guy-BEEFCAKE!!!-arc, or the Hail-Hydra embarrassment or Red Skull guy or the cute shoot-in-leg "humor"...still, admittedly, Cap1 was a masterpiece compared to the raccoon turd movies...nuance, samy,all a matter of nuance...
source..?
Cap isn't a realistic film, never tried to be or said that it was. Doesn't mean it can't be serious. They gave the Red Skull motivational background, when Erskine talked about powers left behind by Gods on Earth. And we knew from Thor that he was right. And yes, if the Nazis gained the Ark and used it to shoot out power of God and stuff, it would be the same as laser battling. As for Rocket Raccoon, you have to get over your shame of actual comic book stuff instead of that bankrupt "grounded" approach that nearly ruined comics. DC bringing back Trevor? I just have to look at their track record. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 14, 2017 15:06:21 GMT
he clearly has not seen the movies and uses them as a straw man; these films were radically watered down politically so to ensure international marketability. In some markets the title does not even say Cap America.
If Besson wants to criticize this is the wrong approach. In the end these are movies with laser battles in WWII, "Hail Hydra" screaming baddies and superheroes clobbering because of mommy issues in life-and-death situations. Not to forget the titular hero becoming a sidelined supporting character in his final movie.
That is bad enough, but you would actually have to watch to see.
So, they are like comic books. Wow, that's interesting. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 14, 2017 15:34:11 GMT
So Captain America is being propaganda simply because he has "America" in his name?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 17:32:26 GMT
he clearly has not seen the movies and uses them as a straw man; these films were radically watered down politically so to ensure international marketability. In some markets the title does not even say Cap America.
If Besson wants to criticize this is the wrong approach. In the end these are movies with laser battles in WWII, "Hail Hydra" screaming baddies and superheroes clobbering because of mommy issues in life-and-death situations. Not to forget the titular hero becoming a sidelined supporting character in his final movie.
That is bad enough, but you would actually have to watch to see.
So, they are like comic books. Wow, that's interesting. speak for yourself, I find bad writing neither interesting nor do I see merit in obtuse generalizations. Wow, interestingly Cap 2 was better written. And wow, WW tackled a similar war premise in a satisfying way, showing the horrors of war in not trivialized, tasteless or dumbed down way. But one man's trash is another one's treasure. Everybody likes the entertainment he deserves. |
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