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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 13:46:47 GMT
The DC films aren't darker or grittier, just more pretentious. Nothing in them isn't stuff kids wouldn't be able to go see. btw, im not laughing at you, but with you, samy. I love your humor, only love can save the world...
possibly, but the marketing and promotion of the first 3 DCEU films was not great either, as I remember. Apart from that, the point is that dark films scare off the most lucrative segments: the little kiddy boys who are eating up lines like "I have very sensible nipples " or "I have famouly huge turds". There is NOTHING in the DCEU movies thus far that a kid couldn't go see. They WANT to be higher rated stuff but the people involved don't have the talent for it. The first 3 DCEU films had tons of money poured into their marketing and promotions by comparison.
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Post by sostie on Aug 16, 2017 14:12:23 GMT
Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Captain America...compared to Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman & Joker..4 of the 5 most well known CBM characters in history...DCEU films SHOULD be making more than them. And yet, Superman, the most famous comic book hero EVER, cannot top a a New York magician and a talking Racoon and Tree. bummer that, but don't forget the following factors:
- character overuse and superhero fatigue, especially Supes, Bats and now Spiderboy - people are sick of the relentless bombardement with the same characters, they want fresh things...
WW is another animal entirely. In the end only love can save the world and the CBM bubble.
But does superhero fatigue apply to all superheroes? Captain America and Iron Man films BO increased with each film. Both were predominantly in 5 films each in a decade. Put them together they make over a billion. Man Of Steel was really only the second Supes film for a generation. Sure there were earlier ones, but that arguement didn't apply when Nolan made his Batman films. Nolans films were much darker and they managed it. I love the idea of taking the dark angle on CBM stories - it reminds me a lot of the period when I seriously got into comics and of when I thought DC was at it's best - but they just are not working. I do think Man Of Steel - a character I find usually utterly dull - had some some interesting ideas, but it just didn't work for me (or the public/critics it seems) Well the public have the capacity to utterly disappoint. It's a simple, efficient, brilliantly executed CBM. No myth, no origin, no backstory - everything you need to know about Dredd and world he exists is conveyed in a comparatively short film. One of the most re-watchable CBMs ever. Not an amazing film but a good film, and certainly better than the rest of the DCEU. It easily could have got as dark as its predecessors considering the setting (contrary to what some think, it is not a harrowing depiction of the war...Blackadder Goes Forth conveyed the horror better in 5 minutes than the whole film did) and it seems to have benefited from that. If DC get the balance right, as they nearly did with WW, then they'll be making their billions, and can comfortably take risks on lesser known characters. Regardless of whether people are MCU fans or not, they have to agree that they have come up with a formula that seems to resonate with the public and most critics. DC need to get their's right. You had to say it didn't you
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Post by scabab on Aug 16, 2017 20:09:39 GMT
It'll fly past $750 million. It hasn't even opened in China yet and The Amazing Spider-man 2 made $95 million there alone. It'll probably make over $850 million actually. I was just noticing this,
This year in China
WW did 90 Guardians 2 did 100 and Logan did 105
So you would have to think Homecoming would get somewhere near there, 75 at least I would think.
Yeah well it's at $703 million now. It's probably got around $15 million in US to go, around $20 million in Japan, maybe $10-20 million from other countries it's currently being shown in and could be around $100 million in China. When it's all finished it'll probably be the highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3. It'll be very close to Guardians of the Galaxy 2's worldwide gross I imagine.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 16, 2017 21:13:42 GMT
I was just noticing this,
This year in China
WW did 90 Guardians 2 did 100 and Logan did 105
So you would have to think Homecoming would get somewhere near there, 75 at least I would think.
Yeah well it's at $703 million now. It's probably got around $15 million in US to go, around $20 million in Japan, maybe $10-20 million from other countries it's currently being shown in and could be around $100 million in China. When it's all finished it'll probably be the highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3. It'll be very close to Guardians of the Galaxy 2's worldwide gross I imagine. I had realized the china thing hadn't happened yet and I don't think anybody else has either. Most seem to have written off that it can't pass the others.
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Post by scabab on Aug 16, 2017 23:15:43 GMT
Yeah well it's at $703 million now. It's probably got around $15 million in US to go, around $20 million in Japan, maybe $10-20 million from other countries it's currently being shown in and could be around $100 million in China. When it's all finished it'll probably be the highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3. It'll be very close to Guardians of the Galaxy 2's worldwide gross I imagine. I had realized the china thing hadn't happened yet and I don't think anybody else has either. Most seem to have written off that it can't pass the others. Even Screenrant made an article on it here screenrant.com/spider-man-homecoming-box-office-update-700-million/And said this "With this new milestone, it’s fair to say that Spider-Man: Homecoming will at least pass the worldwide box office total of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, which earned close to $709 million for itself back in 2014. However, the film looks unlikely to pass the worldwide totals of any of the other live-action Spider-Man films, including Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man ($821 million), Spider-Man 2 ($783 million), and Spider-Man 3 ($890 million), or director Marc Webb’s 2012 reboot, The Amazing Spider-Man ($757 million)." With how big the China market is now I don't know why people were overlooking it. It comes out September 8th there. If it breaks out then it really could pass even Spider-man 3, probably unlikely but not impossible.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 16, 2017 23:48:43 GMT
I had realized the china thing hadn't happened yet and I don't think anybody else has either. Most seem to have written off that it can't pass the others. Even Screenrant made an article on it here screenrant.com/spider-man-homecoming-box-office-update-700-million/And said this "With this new milestone, it’s fair to say that Spider-Man: Homecoming will at least pass the worldwide box office total of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, which earned close to $709 million for itself back in 2014. However, the film looks unlikely to pass the worldwide totals of any of the other live-action Spider-Man films, including Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man ($821 million), Spider-Man 2 ($783 million), and Spider-Man 3 ($890 million), or director Marc Webb’s 2012 reboot, The Amazing Spider-Man ($757 million)." With how big the China market is now I don't know why people were overlooking it. It comes out September 8th there. If it breaks out then it really could pass even Spider-man 3, probably unlikely but not impossible. Most of the China opening late information I can find does seem to suggest it will hurt the overall take though, so even though similar films got 100, it might come up well short of that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 20, 2017 2:46:25 GMT
I was just noticing this,
This year in China
WW did 90 Guardians 2 did 100 and Logan did 105
So you would have to think Homecoming would get somewhere near there, 75 at least I would think.
Yeah well it's at $703 million now. It's probably got around $15 million in US to go, around $20 million in Japan, maybe $10-20 million from other countries it's currently being shown in and could be around $100 million in China. When it's all finished it'll probably be the highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3. It'll be very close to Guardians of the Galaxy 2's worldwide gross I imagine. SMH is projected to gross 30 to 40 million in China and finish with a worldwide gross of 760 to 790 million. www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/homecoming/spider-man-homecoming-estimated-to-finish-its-box-office-run-in-the-high-700-million-range-a153355
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Post by scabab on Aug 20, 2017 4:34:53 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Aug 20, 2017 4:45:48 GMT
disappointing, Sony better hope China covers RDJ's paycheck
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