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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 17, 2017 14:46:54 GMT
They stowed away in the same room as those who were captured. And that takes us right back to Anti-Mutant Eectricity being bullshit. Bryan Singer is a lazy filmmaker who has no business making superhero films. You'll never convince me that Anti-Mutant tech would be possible in the early 80s, so give it up.I gotta disagree. Trask was already working on anti-mutant technology in the 70's. After Magneto's rampage in DC, the government would no doubt have stepped up their research into it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:17:12 GMT
And that takes us right back to Anti-Mutant Eectricity being bullshit. Bryan Singer is a lazy filmmaker who has no business making superhero films. You'll never convince me that Anti-Mutant tech would be possible in the early 80s, so give it up.I gotta disagree. Trask was already working on anti-mutant technology in the 70's. After Magneto's rampage in DC, the government would no doubt have stepped up their research into it. Fair enough, but given how Singer seemed to want these films to be "grounded' at the time, I personally have to remain dubious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:22:57 GMT
"You're complaining about Angel dying in an plane explosion. Which also happened in the original storyline." Congratulations on once again missing the point and obviously not reading these parts: "Warren doesn't have a character or an arc in the film. He's already fallen on hard times off-screen and gets unceremoniously killed after we learn nothing about this new Archangel and spend absolutely no time with him. Its an insult to have one of the original X-Men treated that way in the films.", and "I have absolutely no faith he will turn up alive when they get to Mr. Sinister." Secondly, no, he didn't die in the plane crash in the original comics. He was spirited away at the last second, because it was planned by Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister to turn him into Archangel. We actually see him perish in the film, meaning there will be no character development and no redemption for him. And we both know Bryan Singer doesn't value Warren the way Marvel Studios obviously values Bucky. We both also know he won't bring him back like they did Bucky. So you can take the face and shove it up your ass. No, this is the equivalent of complaining about all The Bourne adaptations killing Conklin off. Or Haldir in Lord of the Rings. If those scenes were intended to look like something out of a horror movie, they failed, because they're not frightening. There's a posturing Smurf-Man and his minions standing around looking like they're posing for clothing ads. Please, Loki and Ultron's staking out of the planet were more effective celluloid. Oh, and Quicksilver and Starlet Witch were actually active participants in every scene they were in during Age of Ultron. Much more effective than Storm, Psylocke, and Warren ceasing to even have lines for a long stretch of the film. And Angel didn't have his wings when he was in that airplane explosion in the comics. In the movie, it was just a way to get rid of him. They could have showed him tense forward and go to an exterior shot of him flying out. I think they did a better job with Angel in First Class doing the Angel story than they did with him in Apocalypse. I'm not recalling Warren being in First Class, but yeah, so disrespectful to one of the original, original orginal X-Men. Warren was flying through the skies being a badass before Bryan Singer was even born. And before anyone pipes in with "But Angel has never been one of the more popular X-Men." To which, I answer, "So what? Guess who else wasn't considered a popular choice for playing a major role in a major Hollywood blockbuster? Literally every single lead character in the MCU."
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 17, 2017 19:00:29 GMT
You're complaining about Angel dying in an plane explosion. Which also happened in the original storyline. That is the equivalent of complaining about Bucky dying in the First Avengers. And the trailers hyped Apocalypse up as a powerful mutant. Which he questionably was. The first thing he did was stake the planet and his horsemen scenes look like something out of a horror film. "You're complaining about Angel dying in an plane explosion. Which also happened in the original storyline." Congratulations on once again missing the point and obviously not reading these parts: "Warren doesn't have a character or an arc in the film. He's already fallen on hard times off-screen and gets unceremoniously killed after we learn nothing about this new Archangel and spend absolutely no time with him. Its an insult to have one of the original X-Men treated that way in the films.", and "I have absolutely no faith he will turn up alive when they get to Mr. Sinister." Secondly, no, he didn't die in the plane crash in the original comics. He was spirited away at the last second, because it was planned by Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister to turn him into Archangel. We actually see him perish in the film, meaning there will be no character development and no redemption for him. And we both know Bryan Singer doesn't value Warren the way Marvel Studios obviously values Bucky. We both also know he won't bring him back like they did Bucky. So you can take the face and shove it up your ass. No, this is the equivalent of complaining about all The Bourne adaptations killing Conklin off. Or Haldir in Lord of the Rings. If those scenes were intended to look like something out of a horror movie, they failed, because they're not frightening. There's a posturing Smurf-Man and his minions standing around looking like they're posing for clothing ads. Please, Loki and Ultron's staking out of the planet were more effective celluloid. Oh, and Quicksilver and Starlet Witch were actually active participants in every scene they were in during Age of Ultron. Much more effective than Storm, Psylocke, and Warren ceasing to even have lines for a long stretch of the film. It wasn't a plan by Apocalypse, it was pure convenience. Apocalypse was just spying on him and got lucky. Sinister wasn't involved at all. You're thinking of the Wolverine and The X-Men version. Angel actually does have a healing factor in the comics. So don't like he's act like he's not an easy character to bring back. You're saying there is nothing horrorish about decapitation and body horror? And here you go, bringing the MCU into this.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 17, 2017 19:09:10 GMT
And Angel didn't have his wings when he was in that airplane explosion in the comics. In the movie, it was just a way to get rid of him. They could have showed him tense forward and go to an exterior shot of him flying out. I think they did a better job with Angel in First Class doing the Angel story than they did with him in Apocalypse. I'm not recalling Warren being in First Class, but yeah, so disrespectful to one of the original, original orginal X-Men. Warren was flying through the skies being a badass before Bryan Singer was even born. And before anyone pipes in with "But Angel has never been one of the more popular X-Men." To which, I answer, "So what? Guess who else wasn't considered a popular choice for playing a major role in a major Hollywood blockbuster? Literally every single lead character in the MCU." I was meaning Angel Salvadore. You have this disenfranchised character that switches sides (not the same way, but it happened). Now she's one of this immortal's 4 henchmen (the flyer no doubt). People really don't understand that you can actually make a character popular, while at the same time keeping the character relatively true to who they are in the source. We've gotten so use to them changing the characters that we started to believe that you had to change them. And it's not that they had to change the characters for different medium, but that they changed them to put their stamp on them. Do you know how awesome the X-men member Warren would be if they actually cared about using the character?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 19:10:37 GMT
"You're complaining about Angel dying in an plane explosion. Which also happened in the original storyline." Congratulations on once again missing the point and obviously not reading these parts: "Warren doesn't have a character or an arc in the film. He's already fallen on hard times off-screen and gets unceremoniously killed after we learn nothing about this new Archangel and spend absolutely no time with him. Its an insult to have one of the original X-Men treated that way in the films.", and "I have absolutely no faith he will turn up alive when they get to Mr. Sinister." Secondly, no, he didn't die in the plane crash in the original comics. He was spirited away at the last second, because it was planned by Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister to turn him into Archangel. We actually see him perish in the film, meaning there will be no character development and no redemption for him. And we both know Bryan Singer doesn't value Warren the way Marvel Studios obviously values Bucky. We both also know he won't bring him back like they did Bucky. So you can take the face and shove it up your ass. No, this is the equivalent of complaining about all The Bourne adaptations killing Conklin off. Or Haldir in Lord of the Rings. If those scenes were intended to look like something out of a horror movie, they failed, because they're not frightening. There's a posturing Smurf-Man and his minions standing around looking like they're posing for clothing ads. Please, Loki and Ultron's staking out of the planet were more effective celluloid. Oh, and Quicksilver and Starlet Witch were actually active participants in every scene they were in during Age of Ultron. Much more effective than Storm, Psylocke, and Warren ceasing to even have lines for a long stretch of the film. It wasn't a plan by Apocalypse, it was pure convenience. Apocalypse was just spying on him and got lucky. Sinister wasn't involved at all. You're thinking of the Wolverine and The X-Men version. Angel actually does have a healing factor in the comics. So don't like he's act like he's not an easy character to bring back. You're saying there is nothing horrorish about decapitated and body horror? And here you go, bringing the MCU into this. And you're back to not even commenting on any of my criticisms of the film. It shows that you don't really even have an argument of your own. Right. I did the versions of the Horsemen story mixed up. I was 12 twelve when I last read it, so yeah, some details are foggy. I'm remembering enough to tell you the comics did it better. So where's Angel's healing factor in the film? His wings stayed damaged after his encounter with Nightcrawler and there was no indication they'd get better, and Singer is not an expert on the character. And they ARE NOT going to bring him back. I said those scenes failed to be frightening, moron. Bucky undergoing shock therapy to stay under Hydra's thrall was a million times more disturbing because you actually give a crap about the character, as opposed to the bit part actors Apocalypse mows down. Yes, I'm bringing the MCU into this, because they do literally everything better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 19:12:05 GMT
I'm not recalling Warren being in First Class, but yeah, so disrespectful to one of the original, original orginal X-Men. Warren was flying through the skies being a badass before Bryan Singer was even born. And before anyone pipes in with "But Angel has never been one of the more popular X-Men." To which, I answer, "So what? Guess who else wasn't considered a popular choice for playing a major role in a major Hollywood blockbuster? Literally every single lead character in the MCU." I was meaning Angel Salvadore. You have this disenfranchised character that switches sides (not the same way, but it happened). Now she's one of this immortal's 4 henchmen (the flyer no doubt). People really don't understand that you can actually make a character popular, while at the same time keeping the character relatively true to who they are in the source. We've gotten so use to them changing the characters that we started to believe that you had to change them. And it's not that they had to change the characters for different medium, but that they changed them to put their stamp on them. Do you know how awesome the X-men member Warren would be if they actually cared about using the character? Yes, I am aware of how cool Warren is in the comics. And yet here's that idiot Swiggity defending everything Singer does because he doesn't want to admit the X-Men films have huge shortcomings.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 17, 2017 19:25:57 GMT
It wasn't a plan by Apocalypse, it was pure convenience. Apocalypse was just spying on him and got lucky. Sinister wasn't involved at all. You're thinking of the Wolverine and The X-Men version. Angel actually does have a healing factor in the comics. So don't like he's act like he's not an easy character to bring back. You're saying there is nothing horrorish about decapitated and body horror? And here you go, bringing the MCU into this. And you're back to not even commenting on any of my criticisms of the film. It shows that you don't really even have an argument of your own. Right. I did the versions of the Horsemen story mixed up. I was 12 twelve when I last read it, so yeah, some details are foggy. I'm remembering enough to tell you the comics did it better. So where's Angel's healing factor in the film? His wings stayed damaged after his encounter with Nightcrawler and there was no indication they'd get better, and Singer is not an expert on the character. And they ARE NOT going to bring him back. I said those scenes failed to be frightening, moron. Bucky undergoing shock therapy to stay under Hydra's thrall was a million times more disturbing because you actually give a crap about the character, as opposed to the bit part actors Apocalypse mows down. Yes, I'm bringing the MCU into this, because they do literally everything better. That's because I think some of your complaints are valid. I don't think Angel should have been in the movie at all. I just found your bitching about Warren's death to be premature. His wings did heal when Apocalypse unlocked his full power. So... And I said that they were like something out of a horror movie. Not that they were scary. Except Quicksilver.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 20:06:54 GMT
And you're back to not even commenting on any of my criticisms of the film. It shows that you don't really even have an argument of your own. Right. I did the versions of the Horsemen story mixed up. I was 12 twelve when I last read it, so yeah, some details are foggy. I'm remembering enough to tell you the comics did it better. So where's Angel's healing factor in the film? His wings stayed damaged after his encounter with Nightcrawler and there was no indication they'd get better, and Singer is not an expert on the character. And they ARE NOT going to bring him back. I said those scenes failed to be frightening, moron. Bucky undergoing shock therapy to stay under Hydra's thrall was a million times more disturbing because you actually give a crap about the character, as opposed to the bit part actors Apocalypse mows down. Yes, I'm bringing the MCU into this, because they do literally everything better. That's because I think some of your complaints are valid. I don't think Angel should have been in the movie at all. I just found your bitching about Warren's death to be premature. His wings did heal when Apocalypse unlocked his full power. So... And I said that they were like something out of a horror movie. Not that they were scary. Except Quicksilver. Oh, Angel should have been in the movie... BUT he should also have been in First Class and Days of Future Past, too. In First Class, he could have been akin to Angel's earliest appearances before veering into his troubled years which led to him becoming a Horseman in the next film. At the end of Days of Future Past, he could leave the X-Men before reappearing in this film in full-on drunkard mode. They could have pulled it off. Yes, because Apocalypse healed him. What in any of Bryan Singer's history with the franchise makes you think he cares enough about Warren to bring him back. Nope. MCU also did Quicksilver better. FoX-Men Quicksilver is just Wally West's The Flash.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 17, 2017 20:24:23 GMT
That's because I think some of your complaints are valid. I don't think Angel should have been in the movie at all. I just found your bitching about Warren's death to be premature. His wings did heal when Apocalypse unlocked his full power. So... And I said that they were like something out of a horror movie. Not that they were scary. Except Quicksilver. Oh, Angel should have been in the movie... BUT he should also have been in First Class and Days of Future Past, too. In First Class, he could have been akin to Angel's earliest appearances before veering into his troubled years which led to him becoming a Horseman in the next film. At the end of Days of Future Past, he could leave the X-Men before reappearing in this film in full-on drunkard mode. They could have pulled it off. Yes, because Apocalypse healed him. What in any of Bryan Singer's history with the franchise makes you think he cares enough about Warren to bring him back. Nope. MCU also did Quicksilver better. FoX-Men Quicksilver is just Wally West's The Flash. No, all Apocalypse did was increase his mutant abilities to its full potential. Singer brought back dead characters before and he is not working on the next X-film. A fun Wally West rip-off(he's really inspired by the X-Men Evolution incarnation of Quicksilver) is much better than the underdeveloped cannon fodder that was MCU Quicksilver.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 20:37:49 GMT
Oh, Angel should have been in the movie... BUT he should also have been in First Class and Days of Future Past, too. In First Class, he could have been akin to Angel's earliest appearances before veering into his troubled years which led to him becoming a Horseman in the next film. At the end of Days of Future Past, he could leave the X-Men before reappearing in this film in full-on drunkard mode. They could have pulled it off. Yes, because Apocalypse healed him. What in any of Bryan Singer's history with the franchise makes you think he cares enough about Warren to bring him back. Nope. MCU also did Quicksilver better. FoX-Men Quicksilver is just Wally West's The Flash. No, all Apocalypse did was increase his mutant abilities to its full potential. Singer brought back dead characters before and he is not working on the next X-film. A fun Wally West rip-off(he's really inspired by the X-Men Evolution incarnation of Quicksilver) is much better than the underdeveloped cannon fodder that was MCU Quicksilver. I still wouldn't put money on it, because there is just no emotional connection to the character. Bringing him back after him just being nothing in XMA would be pointless. I'm not seeing the similarities between Evolution's Quicksilver and the Fox film's Quicksilver.. For one thing, he's not even a tiny fraction as douchy as that incarnation of the character. And he was in no way superior to the MCU Quicksilver.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 17, 2017 23:28:58 GMT
No, all Apocalypse did was increase his mutant abilities to its full potential. Singer brought back dead characters before and he is not working on the next X-film. A fun Wally West rip-off(he's really inspired by the X-Men Evolution incarnation of Quicksilver) is much better than the underdeveloped cannon fodder that was MCU Quicksilver. I still wouldn't put money on it, because there is just no emotional connection to the character. Bringing him back after him just being nothing in XMA would be pointless. I'm not seeing the similarities between Evolution's Quicksilver and the Fox film's Quicksilver.. For one thing, he's not even a tiny fraction as douchy as that incarnation of the character. And he was in no way superior to the MCU Quicksilver. He's american thief who has a fast speaking pattern like Evo Quicksilver was when he was introduced. Most people think of MCU Quicksilver as vastly inferior to the Fox version. Mainly due to the MCU just be a red shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 0:43:34 GMT
I still wouldn't put money on it, because there is just no emotional connection to the character. Bringing him back after him just being nothing in XMA would be pointless. I'm not seeing the similarities between Evolution's Quicksilver and the Fox film's Quicksilver.. For one thing, he's not even a tiny fraction as douchy as that incarnation of the character. And he was in no way superior to the MCU Quicksilver. He's american thief who has a fast speaking pattern like Evo Quicksilver was when he was introduced. Most people think of MCU Quicksilver as vastly inferior to the Fox version. Mainly due to the MCU just be a red shirt. Yeah, but Evo Quicksilver is a complete bag of dicks while Revised Timeline Quicksilver is just snarky. Actually, no most people don't think that. I have run into many people who liked the MCU Quicksilver. And he was NOT intended to be canon fodder. Its obvious he was intended to have a much longer presence in the series, but then fox had to be dicks about also brought in Quicksilver just so Marvel couldn't use him, and the script for AoU was changed to kill him off. And you will never convince me that FoX-Men Quicksilver is better. Never. You may as well give that one up right now.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 18, 2017 1:17:47 GMT
He's american thief who has a fast speaking pattern like Evo Quicksilver was when he was introduced. Most people think of MCU Quicksilver as vastly inferior to the Fox version. Mainly due to the MCU just be a red shirt. Yeah, but Evo Quicksilver is a complete bag of dicks while Revised Timeline Quicksilver is just snarky. Actually, no most people don't think that. I have run into many people who liked the MCU Quicksilver. And he was NOT intended to be canon fodder. Its obvious he was intended to have a much longer presence in the series, but then fox had to be dicks about also brought in Quicksilver just so Marvel couldn't use him, and the script for AoU was changed to kill him off. And you will never convince me that FoX-Men Quicksilver is better. Never. You may as well give that one up right now.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 18, 2017 1:19:53 GMT
Do you have a source for that?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 1:25:09 GMT
Do you have a source for that? There was a version of DoFP's script where it was Juggernaut who sprang Magneto from prison. Then they suddenly changed it to Quicksilver with the announcement that Maximoff twins would be in Age of Ultron. All just to fuck Marvel Studios over, because Fox has been ridiculously petty when it comes to Marvel-Fox negotiations ever since they split.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 18, 2017 1:57:17 GMT
Do you have a source for that? There was a version of DoFP's script where it was Juggernaut who sprang Magneto from prison. Then they suddenly changed it to Quicksilver with the announcement that Maximoff twins would be in Age of Ultron. All just to fuck Marvel Studios over, because Fox has been ridiculously petty when it comes to Marvel-Fox negotiations ever since they split.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 2:15:50 GMT
Are you having computer issues or something, because is the second time you've quoted me without posting anything.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Aug 18, 2017 6:28:54 GMT
Something is wrong with the site. Anyway I was talking about Age of Ultron rewrite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 20:13:42 GMT
Something is wrong with the site. Anyway I was talking about Age of Ultron rewrite. It might still be your computer. Nothing was going wrong on my end. It could have just been a momentary hiccup, but I'd run a scan of the hardware and software if I were you just to be safe. Its pretty obvious they were setting Hawkeye up to be the one who dies. Quicksilver just dies out of nowhere with nothing leading up to it.
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