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Post by Skaathar on Aug 18, 2017 23:11:41 GMT
That is not answered in the movie at all. Batman goes from a vengeful killing machine that brands criminals and rams them with the batmobile... to a vengeful killing machine that chokeslams criminals and throws grenades at them. Remember that the warehouse scene happened AFTER the Martha moment... and he's still every bit as brutal as the Batman at the start. yeah he is still brutally effective when fighting, that does not exclude the ongoing character arc as portrayed in BvS. Batman mellows down on the vigilante loner thing and stops branding enemies, and he starts trusting other superhumans (instead of trying to kill them) and tries to form the league. ARC as defined under writing theory. Bats is still a brutal street fighter when he needs to be. That makes him together with Logan, Rorschach etc by far the most interesting super hero character BY FAR. His arc may go on in this regard, eg by him establishing his no killing rules etc. I hope they don't pussy down on the fighting though, that warehouse fight was one of the best fighting scenes in all CBM - the moment Batman is reduced to a weird, bat-dancing, my-little-pony-playing gnat will be the death of The Dark Knight. This is what Lego Batman is for, let the DC live action films be for grown ups. So because he assisted fighting Doomsday and traded a few words with Wonder Woman you think he's a changed man? Nonsense. There's no proof that 1. He's met other superheroes before and 2. He didn't work with them before. If this is the first time he's met with superheroes then there would be no precedent for you to claim that he's "changed" now and is willing to work with others. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 23:30:27 GMT
Here's the question: Was this always the direction they were planning to take Batman or is this simply DC doing damage control based on how fans reacted to the more brutal Batman in BvS? The latter, without a doubt. Snyder doesn't do heroes who don't leave a trail of carnage in their wake. Literally every film he's ever directed follows the same trend we see Superman and Batman follow: they kill the bad guys and don't mind break a eggs (read: innocents) along the way. This is pure damage control, because Snyder directed heroes this approach is not appropriate for this time. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 19, 2017 8:53:23 GMT
yeah he is still brutally effective when fighting, that does not exclude the ongoing character arc as portrayed in BvS. Batman mellows down on the vigilante loner thing and stops branding enemies, and he starts trusting other superhumans (instead of trying to kill them) and tries to form the league. ARC as defined under writing theory. Bats is still a brutal street fighter when he needs to be. That makes him together with Logan, Rorschach etc by far the most interesting super hero character BY FAR. His arc may go on in this regard, eg by him establishing his no killing rules etc. I hope they don't pussy down on the fighting though, that warehouse fight was one of the best fighting scenes in all CBM - the moment Batman is reduced to a weird, bat-dancing, my-little-pony-playing gnat will be the death of The Dark Knight. This is what Lego Batman is for, let the DC live action films be for grown ups. . oh, how elegant, a made up a straw man, a personal incredulity and a deflection fallacy. That's at least 3 demerits in debating class. So: no, as stated several times before his character arc is manifest in: - the fact that he stops branding criminals (thereby dooming them to die in prison) - acknowledging the real mission (saving he innocent/loved ones) by going to save Supes mon (where he failed to save his) - stop fighting and opposing superhuman (not killing Supes) - realizing he had been tricked and was self deluded and was thereby tricked (Luther) - fighting alongside superhumans team (fighting Doomsday) - creating a team to fight the real enemy Is that " a "changed man", who knows, but it's an character arc. Your "trading a few words with WW" straw man is indeed nonsense, Bats not a nerd virgin afraid to speak with women, that does not change man's character. BUT sparing Supes life , realizing his folly, saving Supes mom, teaming up with superhumans (he fought and hated before), stop brutalizing thugs by branding might .the proof is in the facts above ie the movies story spelled out and discussed, gentleman agree on facts. Bats first opposes/distrusts Supes/WW (representing suerhumans) and fanatically marks them as public danger for all mankind in the dialogue and the dream sequence. But then teams up with them. Also, this is another fallacy: "Texan sharpshooting" as this is only a part of the arc. 4th demerit awarded. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 19, 2017 10:04:45 GMT
I sincerely hope his character development will not lead him into Mr-Nice-Guy blandness but add some further nuance. I was fine with his development in BvsS which showed him maturing into a team player instead of being a rogue vigilante. Even as a kid, I always preferred the Dark Knight approach a la Miller/Burton/Nolan/Snyder over some the more children friendly representations in the lighter cartoons and films.
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