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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 12:44:24 GMT
Good fucking grief.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 21, 2017 12:47:49 GMT
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 21, 2017 13:23:35 GMT
Its like playing FIFA/PES in easy mode. Idiots wasting his career.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 13:56:14 GMT
Its like playing FIFA/PES in easy mode. Idiots wasting his career. There isn't a league in the world he wouldn't be capable of doing that in.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Aug 21, 2017 15:52:45 GMT
Its like playing FIFA/PES in easy mode. Idiots wasting his career. Right, because playing against Gijon and Getafe would have been that much more of a challenge 
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 16:30:10 GMT
Its like playing FIFA/PES in easy mode. Idiots wasting his career. There isn't a league in the world he wouldn't be capable of doing that in. But there are leagues where he wouldn't be the main attraction and where there would be an actual challenge to their dominance from another team. Big fish, miniscule pond.
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 21, 2017 17:18:08 GMT
Joke league, shame on you Neymar.
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Post by runie on Aug 21, 2017 18:34:18 GMT
its like putting joe root up against softball bowlers........
seriously wtf was that
welll either that or he is worth that money - the last goal was immense
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 20:11:15 GMT
There isn't a league in the world he wouldn't be capable of doing that in. But there are leagues where he wouldn't be the main attraction and where there would be an actual challenge to their dominance from another team. Big fish, miniscule pond. There's one league where he wouldn't be the main attraction. PSG didn't even win Ligue Un last season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 20:22:38 GMT
But there are leagues where he wouldn't be the main attraction and where there would be an actual challenge to their dominance from another team. Big fish, miniscule pond. There's one league where he wouldn't be the main attraction. PSG didn't even win Ligue Un last season. Please, he's not even at Suarez levels. The fact that a one team league couldn't be won by the one team that defines it as a one team league ought to tell you something about how staggeringly shitty that league is.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Aug 21, 2017 20:56:45 GMT
Joke league, shame on you Neymar. I can't agree with that sentiment. Why should he be ashamed? It's not like he is going to Saudi Arabia or China. He is in freaking PARIS for God's sake, making tons of money and wearing the number 10 on his back, which he couldn't do at Barcelona. I say "good for him!".
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 21:33:03 GMT
There's one league where he wouldn't be the main attraction. PSG didn't even win Ligue Un last season. Please, he's not even at Suarez levels. The fact that a one team league couldn't be won by the one team that defines it as a one team league ought to tell you something about how staggeringly shitty that league is. OK, he's not at Suarez levels, that doesn't change anything since La Liga is the only league where he wouldn't be the star by a long distance. Last season a team from that one team league, who are not the one team, beat the team who finished second in the Premier League home and away, knocked out the team who finished third in the Premier League and inflicted a heavy defeat on the side who finished 2nd in the Bundesliga, beating them home and away. What does that say about these other leagues? Why should he be playing in them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 21:44:12 GMT
Please, he's not even at Suarez levels. The fact that a one team league couldn't be won by the one team that defines it as a one team league ought to tell you something about how staggeringly shitty that league is. OK, he's not at Suarez levels, that doesn't change anything since La Liga is the only league where he wouldn't be the star by a long distance. Last season a team from that one team league, who are not the one team, beat the team who finished second in the Premier League home and away, knocked out the team who finished third in the Premier League and inflicted a heavy defeat on the side who finished 2nd in the Bundesliga, beating them home and away. What does that say about these other leagues? Why should he be playing in them? Flukes happen. Apparently Leicester won the league once (my nan told me about it) but that tells us nothing significant. The French league is nothing more than a proxy for the Italians until the Italians can sort their shit out. Neymar wants to be Messi but Spain already has Messi so he went to an Aldi league to be its Aldi Messi.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 22:46:57 GMT
OK, he's not at Suarez levels, that doesn't change anything since La Liga is the only league where he wouldn't be the star by a long distance. Last season a team from that one team league, who are not the one team, beat the team who finished second in the Premier League home and away, knocked out the team who finished third in the Premier League and inflicted a heavy defeat on the side who finished 2nd in the Bundesliga, beating them home and away. What does that say about these other leagues? Why should he be playing in them? Flukes happen. Apparently Leicester won the league once (my nan told me about it) but that tells us nothing significant. The French league is nothing more than a proxy for the Italians until the Italians can sort their shit out. Neymar wants to be Messi but Spain already has Messi so he went to an Aldi league to be its Aldi Messi. He didn't want to play for Barcelona any longer, so what were his options? The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it and players like John Stones, Gary Cahill, Kyle Walker and Luke Shaw are considered elite defenders. It's a Home Bargains league with Harrods prices. Maybe he could have gone to Real Madrid and maybe he'd have been the main man there, but people have been saying for years that La Liga is a league full of bad teams. Personally I think it is the strongest league in the world top to bottom, but there is no denying there are some weak defences in the lower half of the table and he'd have ripped them to bits much as he has here. Nobody in Germany could afford him and, as with France, that is often considered a one team league. Same applies to Italy. Wherever he went, or if he stayed where he was, he'd be playing against shit teams in the league most weeks. He went to a team where it'd be focused on getting the best out of him and making sure he could maximise his potential. He is too good to be a support act.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 23:05:07 GMT
Flukes happen. Apparently Leicester won the league once (my nan told me about it) but that tells us nothing significant. The French league is nothing more than a proxy for the Italians until the Italians can sort their shit out. Neymar wants to be Messi but Spain already has Messi so he went to an Aldi league to be its Aldi Messi. He didn't want to play for Barcelona any longer, so what were his options? The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it and players like John Stones, Gary Cahill, Kyle Walker and Luke Shaw are considered elite defenders. It's a Home Bargains league with Harrods prices. Maybe he could have gone to Real Madrid and maybe he'd have been the main man there, but people have been saying for years that La Liga is a league full of bad teams. Personally I think it is the strongest league in the world top to bottom, but there is no denying there are some weak defences in the lower half of the table and he'd have ripped them to bits much as he has here. Nobody in Germany could afford him and, as with France, that is often considered a one team league. Same applies to Italy. Wherever he went, or if he stayed where he was, he'd be playing against shit teams in the league most weeks. He went to a team where it'd be focused on getting the best out of him and making sure he could maximise his potential. He is too good to be a support act. But why didn't he want to play for Barcelona? That's' the question. Additionally, England, Germany and Italy (to a lesser extent) are still more competitive and prestigious than France. As for the quality of those defenders: Stone is too young to judge, Cahill has won titles and the champions league, Kyle Walker was wanted by Guardiola who apparently knows a thing or two and Shaw is a classic sicknote. That's not much of an argument (other than perhaps the overblown fees).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 23:15:44 GMT
The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it That's a complete misread. The EPL is weak in competitive balance only. The ~4 dominant teams are so dominant that they have about 99% chance of winning the title each year. Leicester was an absolute fluke. Do you seriously think teams like Stoke and Southampton have a shot at the title?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 23:15:49 GMT
Flukes happen. Apparently Leicester won the league once (my nan told me about it) but that tells us nothing significant. The French league is nothing more than a proxy for the Italians until the Italians can sort their shit out. Neymar wants to be Messi but Spain already has Messi so he went to an Aldi league to be its Aldi Messi. The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it and players like John Stones, Gary Cahill, Kyle Walker and Luke Shaw are considered elite defenders. It's a Home Bargains league with Harrods prices. Yet in this weak league, Leicester who were 17th at the time, booted Sevilla out the CL, and might have done the same to A Madrid if not for yet another DISGUSTING decision to cheat the English. Giving a penalty when it was clearly outside the box.  And didn't 6th place Man United win the Europa Cup? So it's not that bad then...
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 23:39:59 GMT
He didn't want to play for Barcelona any longer, so what were his options? The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it and players like John Stones, Gary Cahill, Kyle Walker and Luke Shaw are considered elite defenders. It's a Home Bargains league with Harrods prices. Maybe he could have gone to Real Madrid and maybe he'd have been the main man there, but people have been saying for years that La Liga is a league full of bad teams. Personally I think it is the strongest league in the world top to bottom, but there is no denying there are some weak defences in the lower half of the table and he'd have ripped them to bits much as he has here. Nobody in Germany could afford him and, as with France, that is often considered a one team league. Same applies to Italy. Wherever he went, or if he stayed where he was, he'd be playing against shit teams in the league most weeks. He went to a team where it'd be focused on getting the best out of him and making sure he could maximise his potential. He is too good to be a support act. But why didn't he want to play for Barcelona? That's' the question. Additionally, England, Germany and Italy (to a lesser extent) are still more competitive and prestigious than France. As for the quality of those defenders: Stone is too young to judge, Cahill has won titles and the champions league, Kyle Walker was wanted by Guardiola who apparently knows a thing or two and Shaw is a classic sicknote. That's not much of an argument (other than perhaps the overblown fees). Because Messi is better than him and was going to be the main man for the foreseeable. He wanted to see what he could do as the main man, not wait 3 years and do it then. There's no shame in that. Right, he's too young to judge and he's already considered an elite defender worth paying £50m for. How do you think Cahill would deal with Neymar? Shaw's injuries are just an excuse, he was shit in his first season, he was shit in his third season. He's just a lazy shit defender who top clubs in England fight over. This is not some great league. The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it That's a complete misread. The EPL is weak in competitive balance only. The ~4 dominant teams are so dominant that they have about 99% chance of winning the title each year. Leicester was an absolute fluke. Do you seriously think teams like Stoke and Southampton have a shot at the title? Absolute garbage I'm afraid, Liverpool very nearly won it in 2014, Leicester won it in 2016, with Spurs - not among the top 4 favourites - being in the title race the longest. I'm not sure Chelsea were in the top 4 favourites last season either. It's not 99% for the top 4, not even close. They have more of a shot than they would have in Spain, Germany, Italy or France. The Premier League is a weak league where, as you say, even a shit team like Leicester can win it and players like John Stones, Gary Cahill, Kyle Walker and Luke Shaw are considered elite defenders. It's a Home Bargains league with Harrods prices. Yet in this weak league, Leicester who were 17th at the time, booted Sevilla out the CL, and might have done the same to A Madrid if not for yet another DISGUSTING decision to cheat the English. Giving a penalty when it was clearly outside the box.  And didn't 6th place Man United win the Europa Cup? So it's not that bad then... The reigning, defending Champions of England manage to scrape past Sevilla, a team who'd finished midtable the previous season, on away goals and then go on to lose to Spain's third place team while having a gripe about the referee and it's one of the Premier League's greatest achievements in recent memory, an example shown to laud the Premier League's brilliance. Says it all really. Our sides have the odd decent run and that's it, teams from top leagues are in the quarters and semis most years. United won the Europa League, yes, but we got a hell of a scare from Celta Vigo, who were Spain's 6th ranked side based on the previous season and finished 13th in the then current season. Almost every team we played was from a much weaker league. Again, generally English performance in this competition is terrible because midtable English sides are completely overrated. Look at how other English sides did in that competition. West Ham got beaten by a Romanian team, Spurs got punted out by Genk, Southampton lost out in the group stages to an Israeli team and a Czech team/ This isn't some anti-English or anti-Premier League trip I'm on, the Premier League in 2006-09 was the best league in the world by a good distance. The problem is that "best league in the world" became so entrenched in the marketing that they have to keep promoting it relentlessly even when it was clearly no longer true in any sense. The league has fallen into the shitter but nobody's willing to admit it, because virtually everyone who talks about football publicly has a massive self interest in promoting it and pretending it's the best. In reality the Premier League is probably the 3rd-5th best league in Europe, this gets exposed badly nearly every year in Europe but people pretend it's not true. The only thing it's the best in the world at now is marketing. We're certainly not in a position to be looking down on leagues like France, where teams actually aim to be the best in the world instead of making their money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 23:56:28 GMT
But why didn't he want to play for Barcelona? That's' the question. Additionally, England, Germany and Italy (to a lesser extent) are still more competitive and prestigious than France. As for the quality of those defenders: Stone is too young to judge, Cahill has won titles and the champions league, Kyle Walker was wanted by Guardiola who apparently knows a thing or two and Shaw is a classic sicknote. That's not much of an argument (other than perhaps the overblown fees). Because Messi is better than him and was going to be the main man for the foreseeable. He wanted to see what he could do as the main man, not wait 3 years and do it then. There's no shame in that. Right, he's too young to judge and he's already considered an elite defender worth paying £50m for. How do you think Cahill would deal with Neymar? Shaw's injuries are just an excuse, he was shit in his first season, he was shit in his third season. He's just a lazy shit defender who top clubs in England fight over. This is not some great He wanted to be Messi and to achieve this feat he chose... the most powerful team in the weakest league. Exactly. Stone may become a very accomplished defender. What utter gibberish to dismiss him so early in his career, and why exactly would Cahill struggle with him? Did he struggle with Messi in 2012?  Now you're just being a tool.
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