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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 1:16:55 GMT
Well....it did. Like I said, it propelled the film onto some kind of untouchable pedestal and if you critique the film you're shot down because apparently no one is allowed to do that. Plenty of films have had an actor die before release. Do you see Furious 7 or the last Night at the Museum movie on any best movies of all time lists? TDK is praised because it's considered a great crime drama with one of the most memorable villains in cinematic history. Hell, there was hype for Heath Ledger's performance before he died, as this ancient thread right here demonstrates: forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=291227. The F&F movies and NatM movies didn't have the hype machine that Nolan did, and those films didn't exploit their dead stars the way TDK did. TDK had plenty of problems and the Joker has his character problems too, but most people think it's bad taste to point this out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 1:19:12 GMT
There have been constant back and forths between DC and Marvel fans on IMDB. This stuff isn't "payback", it's a bunch of people being spiteful towards each other over movies based on comic books. It's getting ridiculous. Making threads like this doesn't accomplish anything. It's not payback, it's just petty. It would be like if I bragged about how WW was the biggest domestic hit of the Summer and had better legs than anything in the MCU. Sure, other posters like DC-Fan might do dumb stuff like that, but that doesn't make threads like this come across as any less petty. To be fair, DC fans did start the movie wars when the TDK trilogy came out. Back then DC fans, or rather nolanites, were attacking every major film franchise. The MCU didn't have bragging rights back then and was used by nolanites as a punching bag for insults. It wasn't till the Avengers came out that MCU fans started fighting back. And what a satisfying day it was when The Avengers blew past all previously DC-set goalposts and The Dark Knight Rises failed to measure up. Then Man of Steel was announced and the Nolanites assumed that film would even the score, and then... it didn't, and things have only gotten uglier from there. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2017 1:19:16 GMT
Plenty of films have had an actor die before release. Do you see Furious 7 or the last Night at the Museum movie on any best movies of all time lists? TDK is praised because it's considered a great crime drama with one of the most memorable villains in cinematic history. Hell, there was hype for Heath Ledger's performance before he died, as this ancient thread right here demonstrates: forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=291227. The F&F movies and NatM movies didn't have the hype machine that Nolan did, and those films didn't exploit their dead stars the way TDK did. TDK had plenty of problems and the Joker has his character problems too, but most people think it's bad taste to point this out. F7 didn't exploit Paul Walker's death? There's an entire music video for the film dedicated to Paul Walker. The ending to the film was even re-written specifically to serve as a send-off to Walker. In what way did TDK exploit Ledger's death? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 1:22:32 GMT
The F&F movies and NatM movies didn't have the hype machine that Nolan did, and those films didn't exploit their dead stars the way TDK did. TDK had plenty of problems and the Joker has his character problems too, but most people think it's bad taste to point this out. F7 didn't exploit Paul Walker's death? There's an entire music video for the film dedicated to Paul Walker. The ending to the film was even re-written specifically to serve as a send-off to Walker. In what way did TDK exploit Ledger's death? They paid homage to Walker for being part of the series from the beginning, that's not exploiting his death. TDK used Heath's death as part of his Posthumous Oscar Campaign. And "It was Heath's last complete film" as part of the advertising. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2017 1:25:05 GMT
F7 didn't exploit Paul Walker's death? There's an entire music video for the film dedicated to Paul Walker. The ending to the film was even re-written specifically to serve as a send-off to Walker. In what way did TDK exploit Ledger's death? They paid homage to Walker for being part of the series from the beginning, that's not exploiting his death. TDK used Heath's death as part of his Posthumous Oscar Campaign. And "It was Heath's last complete film" as part of the advertising. The advertising actually shifted focus away from the Joker after Heath Ledger died. The Oscar campaign for him didn't begin until after the film had already been released, and proved to be a huge critical and commercial hit. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 1:30:56 GMT
They paid homage to Walker for being part of the series from the beginning, that's not exploiting his death. TDK used Heath's death as part of his Posthumous Oscar Campaign. And "It was Heath's last complete film" as part of the advertising. The advertising actually shifted focus away from the Joker after Heath Ledger died. The Oscar campaign for him didn't begin until after the film had already been released, and proved to be a huge critical and commercial hit. It didn't. There were entertainment sites pretty much saying "You have to see this, it's Ledger's swan song." and all that. As well as "He deserves the Oscar!" before the actual campaign. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2017 1:33:07 GMT
The advertising actually shifted focus away from the Joker after Heath Ledger died. The Oscar campaign for him didn't begin until after the film had already been released, and proved to be a huge critical and commercial hit. It didn't. There were entertainment sites pretty much saying "You have to see this, it's Ledger's swan song." and all that. As well as "He deserves the Oscar!" before the actual campaign. The media was making a big deal out of his death, not the actual marketing or the film itself. People did the same thing for F7. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 1:35:21 GMT
It didn't. There were entertainment sites pretty much saying "You have to see this, it's Ledger's swan song." and all that. As well as "He deserves the Oscar!" before the actual campaign. The media was making a big deal out of his death, not the actual marketing or the film itself. And in doing so, hyped the film up to be untouchable. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2017 1:41:56 GMT
The media was making a big deal out of his death, not the actual marketing or the film itself. And in doing so, hyped the film up to be untouchable. Again, there was hype for the movie and Ledger's performance before he died. His death wasn't the reason the movie was is revered. No one said the film was "untouchable". It's just considered a great film by the majority. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 1:53:51 GMT
And in doing so, hyped the film up to be untouchable. No one said the film was "untouchable". Tell that to the Nolanites and the DC Fans pre-2016. |
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Post by primeone on Aug 24, 2017 1:56:51 GMT
Lmao
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Post by brownstones on Aug 24, 2017 1:58:07 GMT
No one said the film was "untouchable". Tell that to the Nolanites and the DC Fans pre-2016. so? that's their issue, not mine, his or anyone else. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2017 2:01:21 GMT
No one said the film was "untouchable". Tell that to the Nolanites and the DC Fans pre-2016. What do you mean "pre-2016"? The film is still revered to this day. That list I provided for you is from this year. People love TDK, not because Heath Ledger died, but because it's considered a great movie. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 2:06:18 GMT
Tell that to the Nolanites and the DC Fans pre-2016. What do you mean "pre-2016"? The film is still revered to this day. That list I provided for you is from this year. People love TDK, not because Heath Ledger died, but because it's considered a great movie. Before 2016 the film made them think all of DC was untouchable. Then BvS deflated that hope and humbled them all considerably. There are still plenty of holdouts who think Dark Knight is the end all of cinema, and that's just sad. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 2:06:54 GMT
Tell that to the Nolanites and the DC Fans pre-2016. so? that's their issue, not mine, his or anyone else. What, you don't think there are DC Fans here who also think the film is the end all of cinema? |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 24, 2017 2:09:00 GMT
What do you mean "pre-2016"? The film is still revered to this day. That list I provided for you is from this year. People love TDK, not because Heath Ledger died, but because it's considered a great movie. Before 2016 the film made them think all of DC was untouchable. Then BvS deflated that hope and humbled them all considerably. There are still plenty of holdouts who think Dark Knight is the end all of cinema, and that's just sad. No one ever claimed any part of DC was "untouchable". That's why GL got panned, and MoS was divisive. |
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Post by brownstones on Aug 24, 2017 2:09:38 GMT
so? that's their issue, not mine, his or anyone else. What, you don't think there are DC Fans here who also think the film is the end all of cinema? There are, but it's not everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 2:59:30 GMT
So what's the DC cinematic universe reboot going to be like now that the DCEU is dying?
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Post by darkpast on Aug 24, 2017 3:23:39 GMT
4 years in and the DCEU's already fallen apart. Heh. Whereas the MCU turns 10 and successfully reaches the finale of its first big storyarc next year. What was that about the MCU Being the inferior brand, Snyder brats? Hmm? Where's all the smugness now? That is two. Count it, two. Attempts at starting a DC Cinematic Universe gone pear-shaped in just six years. First was the Green Lantern film, which sucked and flopped. And now the DCEU is such a mess that Warner Bros has just giving up. Sucks to be you, DC fans. HA! Don't get all superior and looking down your nose at the competition until you've actually won the war. Oh, wait, you actually lost the war the instant a film starring Batman and Superman and featuring Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg got its little ass kicked by Captain America: Civil War. See you around, losers. wait for Justice League to declare that. WB takes risks, better than cookie-cutter Disney films. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 24, 2017 4:52:27 GMT
Well....it did. Like I said, it propelled the film onto some kind of untouchable pedestal and if you critique the film you're shot down because apparently no one is allowed to do that. You are so delusional. Brandon Lee's death in the midst of filming The Crow didn't automatically make it a classic. The Dark Knight is highly rated on every major critic compiling website. It made over $1 billion at the Box Office. Audiences (the true "everyman" fan) love the movie far more than critics, and that's really saying something. One man who dies tragically cannot do all of that by himself. I'm not going to lie, Nolan has yet to make a movie I don't like. I would say that at least 3 of his movies are classics. Yet I acknowledge his flaws and I understand his shortcomings. He's not perfect. He just really struck gold with The Dark Knight. Even if you hate it, you can't deny the success that it has sustained in conversation and overall praise for 9 years now. |
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