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Post by Red Horizon on Feb 18, 2018 21:56:18 GMT
Well, at the end of the day, sexuality is just sexuality. Labels and tags are part of the problem. T shouldn't even be a part of it, it's not a sexuality, but a mind disorder. That is part of my whole point about this community thing, there is NO LGBT whatever community, it's all ONE community that many straights choose to compartmentalize others into, because they are not ONE OF US. Quite insidious really! Gay was a term more associated with male homosexuality, due to the frivolous connotation of it. Most gay guys would have been perceived as Mary's when first originated. More degrading heterosexist ignorance. And while stereotypes do exist, it is not the same for everyone and even bisexual men may not want to identify with the gay label. They shouldn't have too. They are both homo and hetero. Man, you sure have strong opinions. I don't think T is a mental disorder. Imagine all those people put away in asylums. It's unthinkable. Even a gay man can conceal his preference and not arouse suspicion if he chooses to. But transgenders need all the help they can get from the community. Here, sometimes even the cops won't leave them alone. I don't understand this sentence, can you explain if possible - "Most gay guys would have been perceived as Mary's when first originated."  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 18, 2018 23:58:29 GMT
Well, at the end of the day, sexuality is just sexuality. Labels and tags are part of the problem. T shouldn't even be a part of it, it's not a sexuality, but a mind disorder. That is part of my whole point about this community thing, there is NO LGBT whatever community, it's all ONE community that many straights choose to compartmentalize others into, because they are not ONE OF US. Quite insidious really! Gay was a term more associated with male homosexuality, due to the frivolous connotation of it. Most gay guys would have been perceived as Mary's when first originated. More degrading heterosexist ignorance. And while stereotypes do exist, it is not the same for everyone and even bisexual men may not want to identify with the gay label. They shouldn't have too. They are both homo and hetero. Man, you sure have strong opinions. I don't think T is a mental disorder. Imagine all those people put away in asylums. It's unthinkable. Even a gay man can conceal his preference and not arouse suspicion if he chooses to. But transgenders need all the help they can get from the community. Here, sometimes even the cops won't leave them alone. I don't understand this sentence, can you explain if possible - "Most gay guys would have been perceived as Mary's when first originated." A Mary is an effeminate male. Of course T is a disorder, it's even listed as such in the DSM5. It is gender dysphoria. Anyone who thinks they are the opposite sex and want to mutilate their bodies to become that, has serious psychological issues. Gay men, do love and appreciate the gender they are born into and don't have the need to become women. Let's please put sexuality and mind disorders into perspective. |
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Post by Red Horizon on Feb 19, 2018 0:31:00 GMT
A Mary is an effeminate male. Of course T is a disorder, it's even listed as such in the DSM5. It is gender dysphoria. Anyone who thinks they are the opposite sex and want to mutilate their bodies to become that, has serious psychological issues. Gay men, do love and appreciate the gender they are born into and don't have the need to become women. Let's please put sexuality and mind disorders into perspective. I partly agree with the things you said. But even I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Anyway I googled and found this - (I picked certain parts of the article to present here) > Being trans doesn't meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability) > The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term "gender identity disorder" in favor of "gender dysphoria": "Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing 'disorder' with 'dysphoria' in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is 'disordered.'" > And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It's barely or not present for some trans people, while it's mentally excruciating for others. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Feb 19, 2018 4:33:02 GMT
A Mary is an effeminate male. Of course T is a disorder, it's even listed as such in the DSM5. It is gender dysphoria. Anyone who thinks they are the opposite sex and want to mutilate their bodies to become that, has serious psychological issues. Gay men, do love and appreciate the gender they are born into and don't have the need to become women. Let's please put sexuality and mind disorders into perspective. I partly agree with the things you said. But even I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Anyway I googled and found this - (I picked certain parts of the article to present here) > Being trans doesn't meet the definition of a mental disorder (a psychological state that causes significant distress and disability) > The APA explained this in explicit terms when it stopped using the term "gender identity disorder" in favor of "gender dysphoria": "Part of removing stigma is about choosing the right words. Replacing 'disorder' with 'dysphoria' in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is 'disordered.'"
> And not all trans people deal with severe dysphoria. It's barely or not present for some trans people, while it's mentally excruciating for others.I am sure some T will be confident and happy with who they are, but they were still unaccepting of the original biology they were born with. Disorder, dysphoria, that's all just semantics. As a male body, who is attracted to other males, they would be considered homosexual. As a phony female body, who is still attracted to males, what would they then consider themselves sexuality wise: heterosexual\straight? If this is the case, how can they then be part of a movement that is about homosexuality? Drag Queens are gay men who just love to dress up and parody femininity, they don't want to actually be females themselves. There are many issues regarding T and it's mental ramifications. It doesn't mean they are mentally ill, in the sense that they can't function as normal human beings, they just want to be something they're not physically and that is still a disorder. I would never be disrespecting to a trans person and the pro-nouns they choose to be labelled as, that's no skin off my nose if they want to be known as "she", or even "he", if transgender male; but it doesn't mean I don't have to acknowledge them within myself, wholly as women, or men. |
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Post by Red Horizon on Feb 19, 2018 14:38:04 GMT
I am sure some T will be confident and happy with who they are, but they were still unaccepting of the original biology they were born with. Disorder, dysphoria, that's all just semantics. As a male body, who is attracted to other males, they would be considered homosexual. As a phony female body, who is still attracted to males, what would they then consider themselves sexuality wise: heterosexual\straight? If this is the case, how can they then be part of a movement that is about homosexuality? Drag Queens are gay men who just love to dress up and parody femininity, they don't want to actually be females themselves. There are many issues regarding T and it's mental ramifications. It doesn't mean they are mentally ill, in the sense that they can't function as normal human beings, they just want to be something they're not physically and that is still a disorder. I would never be disrespecting to a trans person and the pro-nouns they choose to be labelled as, that's no skin off my nose if they want to be known as "she", or even "he", if transgender male; but it doesn't mean I don't have to acknowledge them within myself, wholly as women, or men. Thanks for clearing your standpoint. I was starting to think you were against everyone except gay & openly bisexual men. I believe your body is yours and you can choose whatever you wish to do with it. Each and every group we discussed here face discrimination and they deserve much better, they need a community and they should belong to it. Maybe you and I are on the same page, maybe not. But I still learned many things and am happy for that.  |
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