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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 24, 2017 17:43:45 GMT
There's a lot of potential for this concept. It might confused the general audience at first, but with the right team behind it, it could work.
So I for one welcome it. Plus it'll be different compared to marvel.
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Post by gromel on Aug 24, 2017 17:45:11 GMT
What do you expect when people only pretend to read comics? This kind of thing is straight out of the playbook.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:54:42 GMT
 They're not attempting anything of the sort and you know it. Stop making excuses for WB's laziness. In any event, films are not comics. WB first needs to successfully establish having a cinematic universe (which they have not. In fact, they've been in full course correction mode since BvS was an utter disappointment) before they can even think about tackling a multiverse. The MCU has a better chance of tackling a cinematic multiverse, because they've actually put down all the groundwork necessary to get it working (Doctor Strange and Ant-Man). "different compare to marvel" =/= better "What do you expect when people only pretend to read comics?" Last time I checked, films are supposed to be for general audiences, not part some exclusive club. |
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Post by brownstones on Aug 24, 2017 17:54:49 GMT
i don't hate it, but i mean.......i mean, Matt Reeves' Batman is an elseworld story? really? ...really? also the DCEU needs to establish itself better before going full comics, because this could also be interpreted as an abandoning of the DCEU post JL.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 18:07:47 GMT
There's a lot of potential for this concept. It might confused the general audience at first, but with the right team behind it, it could work. So I for one welcome it. Plus it'll be different compared to marvel. It's just an excuse to pay no attention to continuity until they feel like getting characters together.
They get to not care about continuity whatsoever until they decide they want to, and they want you to be a sucker for the word "multiverse".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 18:12:06 GMT
There's a lot of potential for this concept. It might confused the general audience at first, but with the right team behind it, it could work. So I for one welcome it. Plus it'll be different compared to marvel. It's just an excuse to pay no attention to continuity until they feel like getting characters together.
They get to not care about continuity whatsoever until they decide they want to, and they want you to be a sucker for the word "multiverse".
Yeah... its amazing how these fanatics are willing to bend over backwards and make literally any excuse for WB's antics because they don't want to believe they're dropping the ball again. This is WB/DC literally admitting they're unwilling to commit to the cinematic universe model and giving up. So The Batfleck is going to take place in an unconnected universe? How does that help matters at all?! |
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Post by dnno1 on Aug 24, 2017 18:18:06 GMT
There's a lot of potential for this concept. It might confused the general audience at first, but with the right team behind it, it could work. So I for one welcome it. Plus it'll be different compared to marvel. Yes, there is a lot of potential (like luring in great directors to produce their version of a character or story-line), but there also is a downside. Having more than one version of Batman, or Superman could serve to convolute one franchise or the other. I fear that the average moviegoer will not understand that there different versions flying around at the same time and, the discerning nature of humans means that there will be a tendency for groups of fans to attract to one version over another. I want to think that the hype surrounding this multiverse concept is a hedge on the part of DC Films. If Justice League turns out to be a flop, there is the fall back in another version of the DC characters. If JL succeeds they could explore other stories on the characters in different timelines or different universes under a different film label while the DCEU brand continues. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 18:29:28 GMT
It's just an excuse to pay no attention to continuity until they feel like getting characters together.
They get to not care about continuity whatsoever until they decide they want to, and they want you to be a sucker for the word "multiverse".
Yeah... its amazing how these fanatics are willing to bend over backwards and make literally any excuse for WB's antics because they don't want to believe they're dropping the ball again. This is WB/DC literally admitting they're unwilling to commit to the cinematic universe model and giving up. So The Batfleck is going to take place in an unconnected universe? How does that help matters at all?! The answer is
They want to make films, and They don't want to spend any time organizing them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 18:32:14 GMT
Yeah... its amazing how these fanatics are willing to bend over backwards and make literally any excuse for WB's antics because they don't want to believe they're dropping the ball again. This is WB/DC literally admitting they're unwilling to commit to the cinematic universe model and giving up. So The Batfleck is going to take place in an unconnected universe? How does that help matters at all?! The answer is
They want to make films, and They don't want to spend any time organizing them
And they're going to be rewarded for it by their fanbase. Well, good to know that the MCU has at least truly earned its place in the current pop culture-sphere while the DCEU gets to take the easy route because of recognizable characters. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 18:33:24 GMT
There's a lot of potential for this concept. It might confused the general audience at first, but with the right team behind it, it could work. So I for one welcome it. Plus it'll be different compared to marvel. Yes, there is a lot of potential (like luring in great directors to produce their version of a character or story-line), but there also is a downside. Having more than one version of Batman, or Superman could serve to convolute one franchise or the other. I fear that the average moviegoer will not understand that there different versions flying around at the same time and, the discerning nature of humans means that there will be a tendency for groups of fans to attract to one version over another. I want to think that the hype surrounding this multiverse concept is a hedge on the part of DC Films. If Justice League turns out to be a flop, there is the fall back in another version of the DC characters. If JL succeeds they could explore other stories on the characters in different timelines or different universes under a different film label while the DCEU brand continues. You just explained the hilarity of it. They don't want to commit to anything, and they want to sell that to you as "creative freedom". It's shameful the lack of care they have, but expect you to buy. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 24, 2017 19:13:33 GMT
I like that too, especially if the main DCEU goes for long, say more than a decade, alternative universes within a multiverse can provide change of tone, pace and character development so that all is not stuck in a evolutionary/design rut. A separate Bat family universe would be obvious, with a different Joker, Bats and - especially ! - all the others like Batgirl/Nightwing etc who would just slow does the development of the overall story oft the DCEU.
Actually, these kind of sub-universes are already there with some of the shows being shared universes, and it is good that they remain their own galaxies as they do not fit the DCEU at all.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 19:15:49 GMT
I like that too, especially if the main DCEU goes for long, say more than a decade, alternative universes within a multiverse can provide change of tone, pace and character development so that all is not stuck in a evolutionary/design rut. A separate Bat family universe would be obvious, with a different Joker, Bats and - especially ! - all the others like Batgirl/Nightwing etc who would just slow does the development of the overall story oft the DCEU. Actually, these kind of sub-universes are already there with some of the shows being shared universes, and it is good that they remain their own galaxies as they do not fit the DCEU at all. Translation: they don't want to put any effort into a long term plan, or evolving character arcs |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 24, 2017 19:39:47 GMT
I like that too, especially if the main DCEU goes for long, say more than a decade, alternative universes within a multiverse can provide change of tone, pace and character development so that all is not stuck in a evolutionary/design rut. A separate Bat family universe would be obvious, with a different Joker, Bats and - especially ! - all the others like Batgirl/Nightwing etc who would just slow does the development of the overall story oft the DCEU. Actually, these kind of sub-universes are already there with some of the shows being shared universes, and it is good that they remain their own galaxies as they do not fit the DCEU at all. Translation: they don't want to put any effort into a long term plan, or evolving character arcs says you, I have an arc fetish. One of my main gripes with MCU are the crappy generic arcs: Jerk going throw existential character crisis and by becoming superhero becomes a better man: Enter Ironman (several times), Thor, Antman, Dr Strange etc. Or band of jerks has to find together and battle enemy- yawn. I am more satisfied with the arcs of Bats and Supes so far: Bats changes from being a enemy-branding loner to a non-branding guy working together with other heroes. Supes in MOS is very grim first but it ends with a huge smile. And its ongoing. And my favorite, the awakening of the naive: WW realises the dual nature of man and limitation of (demi-)gods. " I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves - something no hero will ever defeat. I've touched the darkness that lives in between the light. Seen the worst of this world, and the best. Seen the terrible things men do to each other in the name of hatred, and the lengths they'll go to for love."
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Post by Hitman's Bodyguard on Aug 24, 2017 19:52:45 GMT
A multiverse is a bad idea. I even liked the idea of an shared universe. I prefer if movies stands for their own.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
Translation: they don't want to put any effort into a long term plan, or evolving character arcs says you, I have an arc fetish. One of my main gripes with MCU are the crappy generic arcs: Jerk going throw existential character crisis and by becoming superhero becomes a better man: Enter Ironman (several times), Thor, Antman, Dr Strange etc. Or band of jerks has to find together and battle enemy- yawn. I am more satisfied with the arcs of Bats and Supes so far: Bats changes from being a enemy-branding loner to a non-branding guy working together with other heroes. Supes in MOS is very grim first but it ends with a huge smile. And its ongoing. And my favorite, the awakening of the naive: WW realises the dual nature of man and limitation of (demi-)gods. " I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves - something no hero will ever defeat. I've touched the darkness that lives in between the light. Seen the worst of this world, and the best. Seen the terrible things men do to each other in the name of hatred, and the lengths they'll go to for love."
Beautiful .I'm all about competent writing, so, not Bats and Supes so far. The way the MCU has been crafted, regardless of whether you like the jerk becomes a hero narrative or not, has been extremely well executed.
I mean come on, let's be honest, the DCEU has been poorly organized. We can at least admit that right?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 24, 2017 20:20:43 GMT
says you, I have an arc fetish. One of my main gripes with MCU are the crappy generic arcs: Jerk going throw existential character crisis and by becoming superhero becomes a better man: Enter Ironman (several times), Thor, Antman, Dr Strange etc. Or band of jerks has to find together and battle enemy- yawn. I am more satisfied with the arcs of Bats and Supes so far: Bats changes from being a enemy-branding loner to a non-branding guy working together with other heroes. Supes in MOS is very grim first but it ends with a huge smile. And its ongoing. And my favorite, the awakening of the naive: WW realises the dual nature of man and limitation of (demi-)gods. " I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to mankind. But then, I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. The choice each must make for themselves - something no hero will ever defeat. I've touched the darkness that lives in between the light. Seen the worst of this world, and the best. Seen the terrible things men do to each other in the name of hatred, and the lengths they'll go to for love."
Beautiful .I'm all about competent writing, so, not Bats and Supes so far. The way the MCU has been crafted, regardless of whether you like the jerk becomes a hero narrative or not, has been extremely well executed.
I mean come on, let's be honest, the DCEU has been poorly organized. We can at least admit that right?
idk, the DCEU is 4 movies: an abysmal one, a great one, and two average but interesting ones. I do not see how it's poorly organized? Maybe we define organized differently... |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 20:27:55 GMT
I'm all about competent writing, so, not Bats and Supes so far. The way the MCU has been crafted, regardless of whether you like the jerk becomes a hero narrative or not, has been extremely well executed.
I mean come on, let's be honest, the DCEU has been poorly organized. We can at least admit that right?
idk, the DCEU is 4 movies: an abysmal one, a great one, and two average but interesting ones. I do not see how it's poorly organized? Maybe we define organized differently... A good one, an abysmal one, and two sub par ones. There's nothing great so far.
It's poorly organized by virtue of the rampant uncertainty, numerous director changes, extensive reshoots, poor reviews reflecting poor quality, mocked performances, numerous punch line scenes, moving dates of release, and overall creating a public perception that the quality of the brand in terms of filmmaking just isn't good.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 24, 2017 20:36:05 GMT
Man this topic is getting spicy!
Not sure if I agree with the "it's lazy!!!" argument, but I agree that this is no easy task and it shouldn't be rushed. But I still think it would be awesome if done right, I mean archy, you complained about the cw shows like arrow not being part of the DCEU, but with the multiverse it could be!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 20:39:00 GMT
Man this topic is getting spicy! Not sure if I agree with the "it's lazy!!!" argument, but I agree that this is no easy task and it shouldn't be rushed. But I still think it would be awesome if done right, I mean archy, you complained about the cw shows like arrow not being part of the DCEU, but with the multiverse it could be! They wouldn't do it well. They can't even do Batman well. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2017 20:46:45 GMT
Man this topic is getting spicy! Not sure if I agree with the "it's lazy!!!" argument, but I agree that this is no easy task and it shouldn't be rushed. But I still think it would be awesome if done right, I mean archy, you complained about the cw shows like arrow not being part of the DCEU, but with the multiverse it could be! You just highlighted the problem.
They are literally telling you that they don't care about keeping the shows or even some films in continuity, and they think you'll be happy with that as long as they say the word "multiverse".
And here you saying that you accept their lack of effort, I assume because you think as long as they do some sort of reality displacement once or twice, that you'll let them off the hook for not giving a shit the rest of the time.
It's cheap, and you're letting them get away with it.
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