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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 25, 2017 0:05:50 GMT
...In female representation on screen. From an interview with The Guardian... Neither Gal Gadot, Patty Jenkins, Connie Nielsen, Robin Wright, and other people who were involved with the film have said anything in regards to Cameron's comments, however Wonder Woman voice actress Susan Eisenberg says on her social media,
I respect Cameron as a director, from a technicality standout you might as well equate him to NASA in filmmaking terms with what he's achieved. However, he couldn't be more wrong here( Diana was definitely not played for eye candy in the movie) and his attempt to use his own character as an example of how to properly portray a strong female on screen is something of a self-own. While he does label Sarah as "tough" and having earning audience respect thru "pure grit" he does also list her being a "terrible mother" and not a "beauty icon" as reasons why, the latter of which kind of comes off as a jab at Linda Hamilton, his ex-wife, and her looks. It is also kind of ironic he's saying this, because I recall reading a scriptment or script version for his proposed Spider-Man movie where he overly described Mary Jane's appearance, painting her up like some kind of a playboy model posing a high school for a photoshoot, basically. Should also be noted that he wanted to cats Nikki Cox as MJ in his version and he had known her since she was a young girl on the set of Terminator 2 so make of that what you will.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 25, 2017 0:10:02 GMT
Yeah I disagree with him. Instead of trashing Wonder Woman, he should be getting the Avatar sequels done. Both him and GRRM need to finish their shit before they die.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 25, 2017 0:11:21 GMT
James Cameron doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 0:14:54 GMT
Congrats, Jim. You've just guaranteed you won't be getting my ticket money ever again. Nor will you ever be receiving ticket money from someone else paying my way into the theater, because I won't be seeing Avatar 2, ever, now.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 25, 2017 0:37:30 GMT
I guess that settles the question of his mental health.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 25, 2017 1:07:17 GMT
its not a step backwards, but not as groundbreaking as some people will hype it up to be
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 25, 2017 1:20:45 GMT
Meh. I'm still curious about how the Avatar sequels turn out. They're starting production soon, aren't they?
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Post by darkpast on Aug 25, 2017 3:40:35 GMT
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Post by nemesis617 on Aug 25, 2017 4:01:27 GMT
I heard about this and I believe Patty Jenkins said it best. It seems James Cameron is so fixated on how she looks that he disregards everything else. So he is saying in order for the character to be celebrated she has to be ugly and immoral? Mr. Cameron needs to focus his attention on getting that Avatar sequel completed and released that should of been completed 3 years ago.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 25, 2017 4:22:35 GMT
I heard about this and I believe Patty Jenkins said it best. It seems James Cameron is so fixated on how she looks that he disregards everything else. So he is saying in order for the character to be celebrated she has to be ugly and immoral? Mr. Cameron needs to focus his attention on getting that Avatar sequel completed and released that should of been completed 3 years ago. Has there been an official explanation for his procrastination? I mean, Sam Worthington hasn't been that busy either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 4:26:18 GMT
Apparently, he wants to perfect watching 3D in the theater without glasses. Greaaaaaaaaaaaaat, another way for Hollywood to overcharge us for tickets.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 25, 2017 4:46:01 GMT
He's basically just saying WW wasn't allowed to be attractive, which I don't agree with. Now I do think he's not completely wrong. Bree Larson for instance, is a beautiful woman, but she's not the obvious super model that Gal is, and Marvel was smart enough not to try and go for that for the reasons Camron states. It's not the point of the character. They also haven't oversexed characters like Black Widow whereas DC did with Harley. So to an extent he's got a point, but the way they did it in WW was perfectly acceptable. She didn't flaunt anything.
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Post by miike80 on Aug 25, 2017 4:49:32 GMT
Congrats, Jim. You've just guaranteed you won't be getting my ticket money ever again. Nor will you ever be receiving ticket money from someone else paying my way into the theater, because I won't be seeing Avatar 2, ever, now. Looks like he went full retard
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 5:01:47 GMT
Congrats, Jim. You've just guaranteed you won't be getting my ticket money ever again. Nor will you ever be receiving ticket money from someone else paying my way into the theater, because I won't be seeing Avatar 2, ever, now. Looks like he went full retard I don't get James Cameron anymore. I mean, Wonder Woman isn't a perfect movie, so if he has issues with it, that's perfectly understandable, but say that its a step backwards is just that going too far. I'm not sure why he thinks Diana being attractive is a bad thing. She's half god...
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Post by poelzig on Aug 25, 2017 5:05:39 GMT
He sounds exactly like most of the mcu fans on this site. It's ironic most of them suddenly have done an 180. Where's that mcu moron that's always babbling about WW and artificial boosters? Has he changed his tune too?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 5:18:14 GMT
OMG. I like some of James Cameron's work but he is completely out of touch and doesn't get it if that is the way he sees things...
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 25, 2017 11:36:47 GMT
he is only partially right-…or wrong...from a certain point of view. - WW may be a big step for the CBM genre, but it's only a tiny leap for the movie genre as a whole: Previously, there were no successful female-led and female-directed CMBs ever, they all flopped. So, WW and its reception is a milestone for CBMs. Cameron may have overlooked this aspect. - But on a higher level strong female warriors are an ancient thing, it's rooted in all mythology (e.g. Greek or Norse or Asian). Hollywood did not invent that, it was always there. Cameron and his ilk just added nuances: Grounded semi-realistic female warrior characters like Leia in Star Wars (77), Ripley in Alien (79), or later Sarah Connor in Terminator or much later Furiosa in Mad Max. Wonder Woman is the more naive, mythological, idealized version of this type, modelled from the archetype of the beautiful warrior princess ( a la Brünhild). - Thus, in this regard WW is actually a sort of back step with her perfect looks and superhuman strength. But it genuinely comes with the CBM territory and source material. This is fairy tale land for kids after all. - Not to forget: great that this overpowered god-mode character was not written as a Mary Sue! Diana's abilities and rank flow from her character backgrounds and history. The story reality does not bend around her to glorify her: no WW must finally realize the world is not as simple as she thought and she must adapt (duality of human nature monologue). Despite her status as demi-goddess she can be petty and self-righteous, she makes mistakes and is naive and learns, she loses and fails terribly and must fight for things, she is not awarded with everything (missions, attention, status, items etc) automatically. Pretty solid writing that!
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Post by damngumby on Aug 25, 2017 13:03:17 GMT
He's probably referring to the scene where WW strips down to her bare essentials to do battle with the Germans.
A scantly clad woman in a mini skirt and high heels, racing across no mans land, is what WW fans think is an "accurate depiction of war".
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 25, 2017 13:39:29 GMT
He's probably referring to the scene where WW strips down to her bare essentials to do battle with the Germans. A scantly clad woman in a mini skirt and high heels, racing across no mans land, is what WW fans think is an "accurate depiction of war". hey, cupcake. Who ever claimed WW was an "accurate depiction of war"...? Quote and link please, or it's a lie! No dramatic movie can ever accurately depict war! Accurate compared to what is the question.
WW is of course accurate compared to, say Cap1, with it's laser gun battles in WW2 or Mr Tomato-Head or Hail-Hydra seeking laser gun artefacts from Odin (lol!). In this regard WW depicts the horrors of war accurately by showing entire villages wiped out and the death of protagonists.
Compared to films like Shoa or even Dunkirk WW of course is just a silly CBM. Btw, that's the reason why she is dressed like that, because she looks like this in the source material, my little dullard.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 25, 2017 14:49:48 GMT
Wait, wait, wait, wait... Is he bashing a character to boost his own? Notice he didn't say Ripley (who is a better character than Connor) because she wasn't his character and he only used her.
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