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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:13:09 GMT
...Really? Peter Quill got angry over one of his mother's most precious gifts to him getting smashed right in front of him. You know, that thing he's held onto and figured out how to repair and maintain despite being innumerable light years from Earth? That thing that helps him keep his memory of his mother alive via their shared love of old songs? His anger over Ego heartless breaking that in front of him made the film go down in your eyes? Seriously? You can't admit there is a flaw here? Seriously, that is an excellent point. It seemed out of place. I don't have to admit a flaw here. It is not an excellent point. It was perfectly in place. You've obviously never had a precious gift from a new deceased beloved relative cruelly destroyed in front of your eyes. I have. Believe me, it is not something you gloss over when you call out the person who did it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:13:54 GMT
...Really? Peter Quill got angry over one of his mother's most precious gifts to him getting smashed right in front of him. You know, that thing he's held onto and figured out how to repair and maintain despite being innumerable light years from Earth? That thing that helps him keep his memory of his mother alive via their shared love of old songs? His anger over Ego heartless breaking that in front of him made the film go down in your eyes? Seriously? No I get that it was a gift, but I felt it was an unnecessary line because the murder of his mother should have been enough, but that's just me. You've obviously never had a precious gift from a new deceased beloved relative cruelly destroyed in front of your eyes. I have. Believe me, it is not something you gloss over when you call out the person who did it.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 28, 2017 16:25:56 GMT
No I get that it was a gift, but I felt it was an unnecessary line because the murder of his mother should have been enough, but that's just me. You've obviously never had a precious gift from a new deceased beloved relative cruelly destroyed in front of your eyes. I have. Believe me, it is not something you gloss over when you call out the person who did it. Well..... technically she passed away 20 years ago. I'm not saying there's no value in the walkman, just that the line felt more like a button.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:34:26 GMT
You've obviously never had a precious gift from a new deceased beloved relative cruelly destroyed in front of your eyes. I have. Believe me, it is not something you gloss over when you call out the person who did it. Well..... technically she passed away 20 years ago. I'm not saying there's no value in the walkman, just that the line felt more like a button. Yeah, but Quill is still a psychological mess and very emotionally stunted for his age. Does time really heal a traumatic night like the one his mom died on? He's had no professional help to get over losing his mom and being abducted all on the same night and has had to just make due with whatever ways he can comfort himself, and those comforts include the walkman.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 28, 2017 17:48:26 GMT
I did not even make it through it entirely, it's an infantile bluescreen pop-song-bonanza without any proper ideas and cringe worthy "poo poo head" dialogue. I just do not know what to make of these Marvel movies overall. On the one side there is the stuff like this movie or the latest Spiderman that are uninspired and just go throw the moves to entertain intelligence ages of 6 to 14. But then there is the Marvel that brings forward inspired, surprising films like Logan or some of the X-Men films with an grim adult finality and message to them.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 28, 2017 19:14:47 GMT
Well..... technically she passed away 20 years ago. I'm not saying there's no value in the walkman, just that the line felt more like a button. Yeah, but Quill is still a psychological mess and very emotionally stunted for his age. Does time really heal a traumatic night like the one his mom died on? He's had no professional help to get over losing his mom and being abducted all on the same night and has had to just make due with whatever ways he can comfort himself, and those comforts include the walkman. *sigh* i understand the point of the walkman, i just thought it was unnecessary and somewhat emotionally deflated that moment, undercut it a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 19:42:53 GMT
Yeah, but Quill is still a psychological mess and very emotionally stunted for his age. Does time really heal a traumatic night like the one his mom died on? He's had no professional help to get over losing his mom and being abducted all on the same night and has had to just make due with whatever ways he can comfort himself, and those comforts include the walkman. *sigh* i understand the point of the walkman, i just thought it was unnecessary and somewhat emotionally deflated that moment, undercut it a bit. Again, I fail so how.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 20:15:29 GMT
Yeah, but Quill is still a psychological mess and very emotionally stunted for his age. Does time really heal a traumatic night like the one his mom died on? He's had no professional help to get over losing his mom and being abducted all on the same night and has had to just make due with whatever ways he can comfort himself, and those comforts include the walkman. *sigh* i understand the point of the walkman, i just thought it was unnecessary and somewhat emotionally deflated that moment, undercut it a bit. It did. It made the scene superficial, just like most MCU films. Not much depth.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 28, 2017 20:50:23 GMT
*sigh* i understand the point of the walkman, i just thought it was unnecessary and somewhat emotionally deflated that moment, undercut it a bit. Again, I fail so how. idk ummmm let's say Tony had a pocket watch is mother gave him, we know bucky killed tony's parents, but let's say bucky at some point breaks tony's watch.....now if left at just that, a broken treasured object and the the fight ensues........yeah it can be impactful, much like in Super 8's ending with the mother's locket, but if he said "I'd don't care......he killed my mom and broke my watch" it would have detracted from that moment, in my opinion, and that's possibly because something should remain more symbolic than uttered.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 28, 2017 20:52:24 GMT
*sigh* i understand the point of the walkman, i just thought it was unnecessary and somewhat emotionally deflated that moment, undercut it a bit. It did. It made the scene superficial, just like most MCU films. Not much depth. well.....i wouldn't say that, they simply from time to time add in a joke one too many, they're not bad jokes, but sometimes a scene should be allowed to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 22:16:49 GMT
*sigh* i understand the point of the walkman, i just thought it was unnecessary and somewhat emotionally deflated that moment, undercut it a bit. It did. It made the scene superficial, just like most MCU films. Not much depth. Wrong again. You're just an idiot. The MCU has plenty of depth. You're just unwilling to see it because you didn't get your Hawkeye movie. In fact, the MCU is has more depth and nuance than any other superhero film, ever. People have explained this to you over and over again, but you refuse to listen, because you have it in your head that meaningless Jesus symbolism is character development.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 22:20:36 GMT
idk ummmm let's say Tony had a pocket watch is mother gave him, we know bucky killed tony's parents, but let's say bucky at some point breaks tony's watch.....now if left at just that, a broken treasured object and the the fight ensues........yeah it can be impactful, much like in Super 8's ending with the mother's locket, but if he said "I'd don't care......he killed my mom and broke my watch" it would have detracted from that moment, in my opinion, and that's possibly because something should remain more symbolic than uttered. That's not the same thing at all, because Bucky would intentionally do something like that. It would have to be accident, and actually, yes, I would be very understanding if Tony got upset over that. Ego had Quill completely at his mercy and could have just left the walkman alone. Instead, he chose to take it away from Peter in the cruelest way possible. So no, the line doesn't take away from the emotional impact of the scene. Oh, and mellomoviemoron. You're still an idiot.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 28, 2017 22:49:09 GMT
...i'm actually with Egoraptor on this one. it's been well enough established that the Walkman was emblematic Star-Lord's close connection to his mother. yes but it is still abysmally written: To have a dead-mommy revenge conflict (like in IM vs Cap "I don't care, he killed my mom") intersect with silly humor is absolutely tone deaf. i know you don't appreciate it but the subversive humor informs the tone of the Guardians films. it's why a lot of people like them. and (aside from the Hasselhoff cameo, which was used more transitionally) i don't think anything from the scene of Ego's heelturn was played for laughs.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 28, 2017 22:52:43 GMT
idk ummmm let's say Tony had a pocket watch is mother gave him, we know bucky killed tony's parents, but let's say bucky at some point breaks tony's watch.....now if left at just that, a broken treasured object and the the fight ensues........yeah it can be impactful, much like in Super 8's ending with the mother's locket, but if he said "I'd don't care......he killed my mom and broke my watch" it would have detracted from that moment, in my opinion, and that's possibly because something should remain more symbolic than uttered. That's not the same thing at all, because Bucky would intentionally do something like that. It would have to be accident, and actually, yes, I would be very understanding if Tony got upset over that. Ego had Quill completely at his mercy and could have just left the walkman alone. Instead, he chose to take it away from Peter in the cruelest way possible. So no, the line doesn't take away from the emotional impact of the scene. Oh, and mellomoviemoron. You're still an idiot. Well maybe not for you, but it did for me.😑
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Post by darksidebeadle on Aug 28, 2017 23:03:04 GMT
I had more fun with vol 2
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 3:06:03 GMT
That's not the same thing at all, because Bucky would intentionally do something like that. It would have to be accident, and actually, yes, I would be very understanding if Tony got upset over that. Ego had Quill completely at his mercy and could have just left the walkman alone. Instead, he chose to take it away from Peter in the cruelest way possible. So no, the line doesn't take away from the emotional impact of the scene. Oh, and mellomoviemoron. You're still an idiot. Well maybe not for you, but it did for me.😑 Fair enough. Of course, the point was more about spiting mello once he started backing you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 16:25:12 GMT
Perfectly good romp. Funny and to the point.
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Post by darkknightofgotham on Aug 31, 2017 14:13:01 GMT
I preferred it over the first. Kurt Russell was a far better villian, and it was much funnier as well.
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Post by THawk on Sept 6, 2017 20:16:53 GMT
I had the opposite reaction. Guardians 1 I found to be below average or just about passing, but Guardians Vol. 2 was greatly improved. The humor worked better, the characters were more developed, and the blend of corniness and heartfelt drama was executed much more effectively. Would give it a 7.5/10.
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