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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 5, 2017 21:14:30 GMT
Why does it matter who announced their movie first? Well, MCU fans always claim that MCU created the first shared cinematic universe in the history of movies, which isn't accurate. MCU not only didn't create the first shared cinematic universe in the history of movies, they didn't even create the 1st shared cinematic universe of superhero movies. DC created the 1st shared cinematic universe of superhero movies about a quarter century before MCU ever existed.
I'm always unbiased and fair so I will give Marvel credit for being first to have a shared universe of superheroes in the comics with their Fire vs Water (Human Torch vs the Sub-mariner) issue in 1940. But DC was the first to have a shared universe of superheroes in radio, TV, and movies.
What shared universe did DC have in the movies? And what tv series? If you mean Arrow and the Flash then wouldn't Agents of SHIELD beat that out? And you can't count a character merely showing up on a series. And as for movies. Supergirl is not really a part of the Superman movies if she's not acknowledged after her movie. Because I remember that time Jimmy Olsen talked about her at the Daily Planet in Superman 4.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2017 22:39:13 GMT
Hello DC-Fan, I don't know why, but I felt compelled to say this. I'm a huge MCU fan. As far as the DCEU goes, I'm only a fan of Wonder Woman so far, even though I think the casting is pretty great in MoS, BvS, and most of Suicide Squad. I don't get the hate. I don't know about other people so I might not know what I'm talking about, but every conversation I've had with you has been completely civil. I'm an MCU fan who loves WW, you're a DCEU fan who thinks some of the Netflix MCU shows are pretty decent. I don't see much bias. I just feel like there are a lot of people on this site who are completely biased against the MCU and people who are completely biased against the DCEU. You seem like someone who just isn't really into the MCU films. But whenever I speak to you calmly, with a factual basis behind my comments, or at least an acknowledgment of personal preference, you're pretty damn decent. I might be in the minority, but I don't see you as a troll, regardless of whether I disagree with you or not now and again. And this is coming from a mega MCU fan. I know it probably doesn't matter much to people, but I enjoy talking to you and I've never noticed a huge problem like most other people have. Just my opinion. Agreed. Your posts are always respectful and you don't resort to the childish name-calling that many of the other MCU fans here do. I suspect that they accuse me of being a troll because they know the facts are against them and they have no argument. It's similar to defense lawyers in court. When they know the facts are against them and they can't argue the facts, they'll attack the witnesses against them. That's the same dirty tactics that many of the other MCU fans here are trying to do by calling me a troll since they know the facts are against them and they have no argument.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2017 22:45:06 GMT
Hello DC-Fan, I don't know why, but I felt compelled to say this. I'm a huge MCU fan. As far as the DCEU goes, I'm only a fan of Wonder Woman so far, even though I think the casting is pretty great in MoS, BvS, and most of Suicide Squad. I don't get the hate. I don't know about other people so I might not know what I'm talking about, but every conversation I've had with you has been completely civil. I'm an MCU fan who loves WW, you're a DCEU fan who thinks some of the Netflix MCU shows are pretty decent. I don't see much bias. I just feel like there are a lot of people on this site who are completely biased against the MCU and people who are completely biased against the DCEU. You seem like someone who just isn't really into the MCU films. But whenever I speak to you calmly, with a factual basis behind my comments, or at least an acknowledgment of personal preference, you're pretty damn decent. I might be in the minority, but I don't see you as a troll, regardless of whether I disagree with you or not now and again. And this is coming from a mega MCU fan. I know it probably doesn't matter much to people, but I enjoy talking to you and I've never noticed a huge problem like most other people have. Just my opinion. Actually, comparing him with trolls is an insult to trolls. This guy has been blatantly making things up about plot points in MCU films, which include the claim that Captain America murdered "defenseless" Baron Wolfgang von Strucker. Actually, MCU fans confirmed that Cap killed Strucker. I just pointed out that the movie showed Cap (who has enhanced strength from taking super-PEDs) kicking a shield (made of the strongest metal on Earth and strong enough to stop Thor's hammer) will such violent force into Strucker (a normal human being with no enhanced strength) that Strucker bounced off the solid wall behind him. That's equivalent to a normal human being getting hit by a truck going 100 MPH.
I just pointed out that no normal human being could survive being hit by a truck going 100 MPH and no normal human being could survive being struck by a shield (made of the strongest metal on Earth and kicked with full force by an super-PED-enhanced human being) and bouncing off a solid wall.
It was either really bad writing or Cap murdered Strucker. I asked MCU fans which it was. MCU fans said it wasn't bad writing. So the only other possibility left is that Cap murdered Strucker. So it was MCU fans here who confirmed that Cap murdered Strucker.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 5, 2017 22:51:51 GMT
It's no different from how Superman "didn't" kill Zod and co in Superman II when it sure looked like they died.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2017 22:58:32 GMT
Nope, I'm not biased at all. Like I said before, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and even Iron Fist aren't bad. a lot of these are based on seeing the films on some crappy cam recordings because he says he hasn't seen any on the big screen for a long time yet has an opinion immediately 1st, it's not crappy cam recordings. It's the movie posted online. Some are even in HD. 2nd, it's the same script, same actors, and same actresses as the movie shown in the theaters so it is the same movie. Just because it's not a giant-sized room with over 100 people doesn't change the fact that it's the same movie. 3rd, your excuse that watching an online version isn't as good as watching in the theater is a weak excuse. I also saw The Founder, Baby Driver, and War for the Planet of the Apes online and gave those movies high ratings. So watching an online version doesn't automatically result in low ratings. So your weak excuse has been debunked. he's just giving scores for films he hasn't seen? Nope, I'm always unbiased and fair and never rate a movie until I've seen it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2017 23:05:41 GMT
Let's not forget his explanation for Steve & WW sailing from the Med to London over one night...it's a magic boat!!!! I can forgive something like that, actually. What I can NOT forgive, however, is his continuous BS on how Captain America is tyrannical because he's protecting a "mass murderer". Did you even read what you wrote? How is aiding and abetting a murderer not being tyrannical?
Captain America is basically saying "Fuck America. Fuck the Constitution. Fuck the right to trial by jury. Even though the Constitution guarantees all defendants the right to a trial by a jury of one's peers, I'm not going to let a fucking jury decide if Bucky is guilty or not because I don't fucking believe in trials or the fucking Constitution. Fuck America. Fuck the Constitution. I'm Captain Fucking America and I'll fucking decide who's guilty and who isn't. And I don't answer to Uncle fucking Sam or the fucking UN because I'm fucking stronger than all of them so that gives me the fucking right to do whatever the fuck I want to do and not have to fucking answer to the fucking people and that also gives me the fucking right to decide who's guilty and who isn't."
So you don't consider that tyrannical?
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 5, 2017 23:23:07 GMT
I can forgive something like that, actually. What I can NOT forgive, however, is his continuous BS on how Captain America is tyrannical because he's protecting a "mass murderer". Did you even read what you wrote? How is aiding and abetting a murderer not being tyrannical.
Captain America is basically saying "Fuck America. Fuck the Constitution. Fuck the right to trial by jury. Even though the Constitution guarantees all defendants the right to a trial by a jury of one's peers, I'm not going to let a fucking jury decide if Bucky is guilty or not because I don't fucking believe in trials or the fucking Constitution. Fuck America. Fuck the Constitution. I'm Captain Fucking America and I'll fucking decide who's guilty and who isn't. And I don't answer to fucking America or the fucking UN because I'm fucking stronger than all of them so that gives me the fucking right to do whatever the fuck I want to do and not have to fucking answer to the fucking people and that also gives me the fucking right to decide who's guilty and who isn't."
So you don't consider that tyrannical?
If Superman or Batman did the same, you'd be fine with it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 5, 2017 23:27:14 GMT
What shared universe did DC have in the movies? The 1st official shared universe for superhero movies was created in 1984 when a character from the Superman movies (played by the same actor) appeared in the Supergirl movie. That shared universe wasn't as elaborate or as extensive as today's shared universes like the DCEU. Nevertheless the fact remains that it was still a shared universe, and the 1st official shared universe for superhero movies. The Wright brothers 1st plane in 1903 flew for only 12 seconds and only for about 120 feet. It wasn't capable of making a trans-continental, non-stop flight. It couldn't carry 100s of passengers. It didn't have lavatories. You couldn't watch TV or watch a movie on the plane. It was nothing like the commercial passenger jets of today. But it was still the 1st successful flight of a motor-powered aircraft in human history and no intelligent person would argue otherwise. Same with 1st shared universe for superhero movies, which was created in 1984. It wasn't as fancy or extensive as the shared universes of today. But it was still the 1st shared universe for superhero movies. And what tv series? If you mean Arrow and the Flash then wouldn't Agents of SHIELD beat that out? Nope. Long before Agents of SHIELD and long before even Arrow and The Flash and Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, DC was part of a shared universe for superhero TV shows with Batman and The Green Hornet in the 1960s and then with The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour in the 1970s. Since I'm always unbiased and fair, I will point out that although DC currently has the license to the Green Hornet and Isis, neither character was a DC character at the time of those TV shows. But Batman and Shazam were DC characters so DC was 1/2 of those TV shared universes in the 1960s and 1970s.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 5, 2017 23:38:40 GMT
What shared universe did DC have in the movies? The 1st official shared universe for superhero movies was created in 1984 when a character from the Superman movies (played by the same actor) appeared in the Supergirl movie. That shared universe wasn't as elaborate or as extensive as today's shared universes like the DCEU. Nevertheless the fact remains that it was still a shared universe, and the 1st official shared universe for superhero movies. The Wright brothers 1st plane in 1903 flew for only 12 seconds and only for about 120 feet. It wasn't capable of making a trans-continental, non-stop flight. It couldn't carry 100s of passengers. It didn't have lavatories. You couldn't watch TV or watch a movie on the plane. It was nothing like the commercial passenger jets of today. But it was still the 1st successful flight of a motor-powered aircraft in human history and no intelligent person would argue otherwise. Same with 1st shared universe for superhero movies, which was created in 1984. It wasn't as fancy or extensive as the shared universes of today. But it was still the 1st shared universe for superhero movies. And what tv series? If you mean Arrow and the Flash then wouldn't Agents of SHIELD beat that out? Nope. Long before Agents of SHIELD and long before even Arrow and The Flash and Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, DC was part of a shared universe for superhero TV shows with Batman and The Green Hornet in the 1960s and then with The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour in the 1970s. Since I'm always unbiased and fair, I will point out that although DC currently has the license to the Green Hornet and Isis, neither character was a DC character at the time of those TV shows. But Batman and Shazam were DC characters so DC was 1/2 of those TV shared universes in the 1960s and 1970s. And as usual, DC dropped the ball and failed to capitalize. MCU never claimed to be the first, but it has the right to say it's done more with the concept than any of its predecessors.
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Post by sostie on Sept 6, 2017 8:41:18 GMT
a lot of these are based on seeing the films on some crappy cam recordings because he says he hasn't seen any on the big screen for a long time yet has an opinion immediately 1st, it's not crappy cam recordings. It's the movie posted online. Some are even in HD. 2nd, it's the same script, same actors, and same actresses as the movie shown in the theaters so it is the same movie. Just because it's not a giant-sized room with over 100 people doesn't change the fact that it's the same movie. 3rd, your excuse that watching an online version isn't as good as watching in the theater is a weak excuse. I also saw The Founder, Baby Driver, and War for the Planet of the Apes online and gave those movies high ratings. So watching an online version doesn't automatically result in low ratings. So your weak excuse has been debunked. he's just giving scores for films he hasn't seen? Nope, I'm always unbiased and fair and never rate a movie until I've seen it. Seeing that Marvel has been very successful at preventing decent copies leaking online I cry "BULLSHIT". How can you judge a film if you can't hear or see properly what is going on onscreen? Your recollection of events and dialogue in Marvel films have often been totally off the mark/made up. So which is it You haven't actually seen them? You are making things up? You are watching crappy copies of the films? It has to be one of them
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Post by sostie on Sept 6, 2017 8:45:11 GMT
Agreed. Your posts are always respectful and you don't resort to the childish name-calling that many of the other MCU fans here do. Another classic DC-Fan Pot & Kettle moment From a guy who when is shown to be wrong by fact often goes silent. Still waiting for your response to when shown your figures that "proved" IMDB was bias in favour of Marvel turned out to be utter BS
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 9:47:41 GMT
He's normally wrong 90% of the time with his BS' as if IMDB was ever bias in favor of Marvel films. Its not their fault that WB keeps making shitty DCEU movies and Marvel makes good films most of the time. Only a few bad ones in the batch, but even the few bad Marvel films are still better then all the crappy DCEU films put together.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 6, 2017 12:40:50 GMT
He's normally wrong 90% of the time with his BS' as if IMDB was ever bias in favor of Marvel films. Its not their fault that WB keeps making shitty DCEU movies and Marvel makes good films most of the time. Only a few bad ones in the batch, but even the few bad Marvel films are still better then all the crappy DCEU films put together. lol at how mad and fanbutt hurt you got.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 13:36:14 GMT
He's normally wrong 90% of the time with his BS' as if IMDB was ever bias in favor of Marvel films. Its not their fault that WB keeps making shitty DCEU movies and Marvel makes good films most of the time. Only a few bad ones in the batch, but even the few bad Marvel films are still better then all the crappy DCEU films put together. lol at how mad and fanbutt hurt you got.
More like the other way around' you're the one who's mad & fan butt hurt. But hey keep telling yourself that' whatever helps you sleep at night!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 6, 2017 14:28:54 GMT
lol at how mad and fanbutt hurt you got.
More like the other way around' you're the one who's mad & fan butt hurt. But hey keep telling yourself that' whatever helps you sleep at night! tu quoque response? Still very salty! Not really a fan of CBMs myself. It's really the other way btw, IMDb has several DC and Fox-Men films in it's top 250, but no MCU, if at all they are biased against MCU. Also it's millions of user votes not IMDb, "they" don't vote, genius.
Why do you constatly do ' punctuation behind words..? Like "...around'..." or "..BS'..." or "..that'...". That's not the comma function, are you high?
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 6, 2017 14:33:51 GMT
The only ones to make it to the top 250 were the ones with the artificial boosters, though.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 6, 2017 14:54:27 GMT
The only ones to make it to the top 250 were the ones with the artificial boosters, though. yes agreed, Batman Begins, TDK Returns, and especially TDK an Logan are artistically boosted by their quality. MCU, despite consisting of 16+ films, does not have that form of boosting, alas.
Yet, I am still surprised that the MCU films are not ranking very highly in the current IMDb charts with all their commercial boosters they have! I mean take SMHC! The by far most popular Marvel character, Spiderman, being mentored by the by far most popular MCU character, Robert Downey Junior, finally entering into the currently most popular CMB univese,..and no 250 rank, or even huge box office....?
What gives? People say it's due to the uninspired mediocrity of the film. But that fact has not hindered other average films (like Potter movies) to linger there for long...is IMDb biased against MCU...?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:04:34 GMT
More like the other way around' you're the one who's mad & fan butt hurt. But hey keep telling yourself that' whatever helps you sleep at night! tu quoque response? Still very salty! Not really a fan of CBMs myself. It's really the other way btw, IMDb has several DC and Fox-Men films in it's top 250, but no MCU, if at all they are biased against MCU. Also it's millions of user votes not IMDb, "they" don't vote, genius.
Why do you constatly do ' punctuation behind words..? Like "...around'..." or "..BS'..." or "..that'...". That's not the comma function, are you high?
I never mention anything nor do I care what is in the top 250 and I know it's voters not IMDB itself their genius. That was not the point of my little argument!
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 6, 2017 15:24:56 GMT
The only ones to make it to the top 250 were the ones with the artificial boosters, though. yes agreed, Batman Begins, TDK Returns, and especially TDK an Logan are artistically boosted by their quality. MCU, despite consisting of 16+ films, does not have that form of boosting, alas.
TDK had Heath Ledger dying to make it practically untouchable, and Logan being Jackmans' Swan Song to do the same for that flick too. MCU also pretty much gives the Academy the finger for not going for that bankrupt "grounded" approach, and the Academy doesn't like that. So yeah, artificial boosters.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 6, 2017 16:04:54 GMT
yes agreed, Batman Begins, TDK Returns, and especially TDK an Logan are artistically boosted by their quality. MCU, despite consisting of 16+ films, does not have that form of boosting, alas.
TDK had Heath Ledger dying to make it practically untouchable, and Logan being Jackmans' Swan Song to do the same for that flick too. MCU also pretty much gives the Academy the finger for not going for that bankrupt "grounded" approach, and the Academy doesn't like that. So yeah, artificial boosters. ah, that narrative. Just wondered Samy, whether if you can construct a similar narrative for Begins and TDK Rises? If not the whole artificial booster thing collapses like a house of crap...
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