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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 6, 2017 16:40:27 GMT
What shared universe did DC have in the movies? The 1st official shared universe for superhero movies was created in 1984 when a character from the Superman movies (played by the same actor) appeared in the Supergirl movie. That shared universe wasn't as elaborate or as extensive as today's shared universes like the DCEU. Nevertheless the fact remains that it was still a shared universe, and the 1st official shared universe for superhero movies. The Wright brothers 1st plane in 1903 flew for only 12 seconds and only for about 120 feet. It wasn't capable of making a trans-continental, non-stop flight. It couldn't carry 100s of passengers. It didn't have lavatories. You couldn't watch TV or watch a movie on the plane. It was nothing like the commercial passenger jets of today. But it was still the 1st successful flight of a motor-powered aircraft in human history and no intelligent person would argue otherwise. Same with 1st shared universe for superhero movies, which was created in 1984. It wasn't as fancy or extensive as the shared universes of today. But it was still the 1st shared universe for superhero movies. And what tv series? If you mean Arrow and the Flash then wouldn't Agents of SHIELD beat that out? Nope. Long before Agents of SHIELD and long before even Arrow and The Flash and Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, DC was part of a shared universe for superhero TV shows with Batman and The Green Hornet in the 1960s and then with The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour in the 1970s. Since I'm always unbiased and fair, I will point out that although DC currently has the license to the Green Hornet and Isis, neither character was a DC character at the time of those TV shows. But Batman and Shazam were DC characters so DC was 1/2 of those TV shared universes in the 1960s and 1970s. That's not really a shared universe. Green Hornet showing up on Batman is a guest appearance. Nothing is said about either character afterwards. A character showing up on another show happened all the time. It wasn't a running thing. And wasn't that Shazam!/Isis a single show? And that's the same thing with Supergirl. Nothing was said of it afterwards. Guest appearing does not a cinematic universe make. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 6, 2017 16:43:17 GMT
1st, it's not crappy cam recordings. It's the movie posted online. Some are even in HD. 2nd, it's the same script, same actors, and same actresses as the movie shown in the theaters so it is the same movie. Just because it's not a giant-sized room with over 100 people doesn't change the fact that it's the same movie. 3rd, your excuse that watching an online version isn't as good as watching in the theater is a weak excuse. I also saw The Founder, Baby Driver, and War for the Planet of the Apes online and gave those movies high ratings. So watching an online version doesn't automatically result in low ratings. So your weak excuse has been debunked. Nope, I'm always unbiased and fair and never rate a movie until I've seen it. Seeing that Marvel has been very successful at preventing decent copies leaking online I cry "BULLSHIT". How can you judge a film if you can't hear or see properly what is going on onscreen? The online copies are good copies. Some are even HD. Like I said, I also saw The Founder, Baby Driver, and War for the Planet of the Apes online and I gave them high ratings. So your excuse that I can't give high ratings to movies I watch online is a weak excuse and has been proven false. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 6, 2017 17:00:14 GMT
The 1st official shared universe for superhero movies was created in 1984 when a character from the Superman movies (played by the same actor) appeared in the Supergirl movie. That shared universe wasn't as elaborate or as extensive as today's shared universes like the DCEU. Nevertheless the fact remains that it was still a shared universe, and the 1st official shared universe for superhero movies. The Wright brothers 1st plane in 1903 flew for only 12 seconds and only for about 120 feet. It wasn't capable of making a trans-continental, non-stop flight. It couldn't carry 100s of passengers. It didn't have lavatories. You couldn't watch TV or watch a movie on the plane. It was nothing like the commercial passenger jets of today. But it was still the 1st successful flight of a motor-powered aircraft in human history and no intelligent person would argue otherwise. Same with 1st shared universe for superhero movies, which was created in 1984. It wasn't as fancy or extensive as the shared universes of today. But it was still the 1st shared universe for superhero movies. Nope. Long before Agents of SHIELD and long before even Arrow and The Flash and Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow, DC was part of a shared universe for superhero TV shows with Batman and The Green Hornet in the 1960s and then with The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour in the 1970s. Since I'm always unbiased and fair, I will point out that although DC currently has the license to the Green Hornet and Isis, neither character was a DC character at the time of those TV shows. But Batman and Shazam were DC characters so DC was 1/2 of those TV shared universes in the 1960s and 1970s. That's not really a shared universe. Green Hornet showing up on Batman is a guest appearance. Nothing is said about either character afterwards. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. Dan Tanna once appeared on an episode of Charlie's Angels so that puts Charlie's Angels and Vega$ in the same setting and makes them a shared universe, regardless of whether or not Dan Tanna was ever mentioned again on Charlie's Angels or whether or not Charlie or ay of the Angels were ever mentioned on Vega$. wasn't that Shazam!/Isis a single show?
Nope. It was two different 1/2-hour shows that were shown back-to-back and promoted as The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour. In fact, the 1st season of Shazam!, there wasn't even an Isis show. Filmation had the TV rights to Shazam. Shazam was very popular among young boys so Filmation wanted a superhero show for young girls too. But Filmation didn't want to use Mary Marvel because 1) they didn't want to have to pay DC the fees to use Mary Marvel and 2) they didn't want a character that was basically a copy of Shazam. So Filmation created their own character, Isis. Like Harley Quinn (who's 1st appearance was in Batman: The Animated Series before she was in the comics), Isis is 1 of the few comic-book characters who appeared on TV before appearing in the comics.
Isis appeared on 3 episodes of Shazam! and Shazam appeared on 3 episodes of The Secrets of Isis, making those 2 shows a shared universe for superheroes on TV.
that's the same thing with Supergirl. Nothing was said of it afterwards. Guest appearing does not a cinematic universe make. Again, that doesn't matter. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. The Supergirl movie was part of the shared universe with the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 6, 2017 17:05:22 GMT
TDK had Heath Ledger dying to make it practically untouchable, and Logan being Jackmans' Swan Song to do the same for that flick too. MCU also pretty much gives the Academy the finger for not going for that bankrupt "grounded" approach, and the Academy doesn't like that. So yeah, artificial boosters. ah, that narrative. Just wondered Samy, whether if you can construct a similar narrative for Begins and TDK Rises? If not the whole artificial booster thing collapses like a house of crap...  Nolanites and anyone else turned into a fanatic by the boosted Dark Knight decided to upvote Begins so it would fit into the list as well and TDKR rode on Dark Knight's artificially boosted success. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 6, 2017 17:47:59 GMT
That's not really a shared universe. Green Hornet showing up on Batman is a guest appearance. Nothing is said about either character afterwards. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. Dan Tanna once appeared on an episode of Charlie's Angels so that puts Charlie's Angels and Vega$ in the same setting and makes them a shared universe, regardless of whether or not Dan Tanna was ever mentioned again on Charlie's Angels or whether or not Charlie or ay of the Angels were ever mentioned on Vega$. wasn't that Shazam!/Isis a single show? Nope. It was two different 1/2-hour shows that were shown back-to-back and promoted as The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour. In fact, the 1st season of Shazam!, there wasn't even an Isis show. Filmation had the TV rights to Shazam. Shazam was very popular among young boys so Filmation wanted a superhero show for young girls too. But Filmation didn't want to use Mary Marvel because 1) they didn't want to have to pay DC the fees to use Mary Marvel and 2) they didn't want a character that was basically a copy of Shazam. So Filmation created their own character, Isis. Like Harley Quinn (who's 1st appearance was in Batman: The Animated Series before she was in the comics), Isis is 1 of the few comic-book characters who appeared on TV before appearing in the comics. that's the same thing with Supergirl. Nothing was said of it afterwards. Guest appearing does not a cinematic universe make. Again, that doesn't matter. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. The Supergirl movie was part of the shared universe with the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. Dude, no one cares. The reason why people say that the MCU did it first is because they really took the concept beyond just two movies or two shows appearing together, and redefined what it is. Sure, maybe DC did it first with something small, but unless you're a hardcore DC fan who knows all the movies and TV shows, the average film goer probably doesn't even know about half the shit you said. To them when they think of a shared universe, the MCU will come up because they really redefined what it is and no franchise has come this far |
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Post by sostie on Sept 6, 2017 17:54:22 GMT
Seeing that Marvel has been very successful at preventing decent copies leaking online I cry "BULLSHIT". How can you judge a film if you can't hear or see properly what is going on onscreen? The online copies are good copies. Some are even HD. Like I said, I also saw The Founder, Baby Driver, and War for the Planet of the Apes online and I gave them high ratings. So your excuse that I can't give high ratings to movies I watch online is a weak excuse and has been proven false. Never said you couldn't give high ratings...I know you won't. Your bias pre-judgement of MCU films isn't helped by your viewing based on the shitty copies you watch, as concreted by your lack of knowledge of what goes on in a lot of these films Now, I gave you three choices...why do you keep getting what is said and seen in these films wrong so many times? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 6, 2017 18:31:40 GMT
That's not really a shared universe. Green Hornet showing up on Batman is a guest appearance. Nothing is said about either character afterwards. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. Dan Tanna once appeared on an episode of Charlie's Angels so that puts Charlie's Angels and Vega$ in the same setting and makes them a shared universe, regardless of whether or not Dan Tanna was ever mentioned again on Charlie's Angels or whether or not Charlie or ay of the Angels were ever mentioned on Vega$. wasn't that Shazam!/Isis a single show? Nope. It was two different 1/2-hour shows that were shown back-to-back and promoted as The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour. In fact, the 1st season of Shazam!, there wasn't even an Isis show. Filmation had the TV rights to Shazam. Shazam was very popular among young boys so Filmation wanted a superhero show for young girls too. But Filmation didn't want to use Mary Marvel because 1) they didn't want to have to pay DC the fees to use Mary Marvel and 2) they didn't want a character that was basically a copy of Shazam. So Filmation created their own character, Isis. Like Harley Quinn (who's 1st appearance was in Batman: The Animated Series before she was in the comics), Isis is 1 of the few comic-book characters who appeared on TV before appearing in the comics. that's the same thing with Supergirl. Nothing was said of it afterwards. Guest appearing does not a cinematic universe make. Again, that doesn't matter. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. The Supergirl movie was part of the shared universe with the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. Actually it does matter. It doesn't make it a shared universe, but a guest appearance. You might as well say that I Love Lucy is in the Superman world. Superman is a big thing and is never talked about again. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 6, 2017 18:32:46 GMT
The online copies are good copies. Some are even HD. Like I said, I also saw The Founder, Baby Driver, and War for the Planet of the Apes online and I gave them high ratings. So your excuse that I can't give high ratings to movies I watch online is a weak excuse and has been proven false. Never said you couldn't give high ratings...I know you won't. Your bias pre-judgement of MCU films isn't helped by your viewing based on the shitty copies you watch, as concreted by your lack of knowledge of what goes on in a lot of these films Now, I gave you three choices...why do you keep getting what is said and seen in these films wrong so many times? The thing that shows his bias is that he keeps saying that he isn't biased. It's like when someone says "I'm not a racist" before they say something racist. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 7, 2017 2:11:09 GMT
The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. Dan Tanna once appeared on an episode of Charlie's Angels so that puts Charlie's Angels and Vega$ in the same setting and makes them a shared universe, regardless of whether or not Dan Tanna was ever mentioned again on Charlie's Angels or whether or not Charlie or ay of the Angels were ever mentioned on Vega$. Nope. It was two different 1/2-hour shows that were shown back-to-back and promoted as The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour. In fact, the 1st season of Shazam!, there wasn't even an Isis show. Filmation had the TV rights to Shazam. Shazam was very popular among young boys so Filmation wanted a superhero show for young girls too. But Filmation didn't want to use Mary Marvel because 1) they didn't want to have to pay DC the fees to use Mary Marvel and 2) they didn't want a character that was basically a copy of Shazam. So Filmation created their own character, Isis. Like Harley Quinn (who's 1st appearance was in Batman: The Animated Series before she was in the comics), Isis is 1 of the few comic-book characters who appeared on TV before appearing in the comics. Again, that doesn't matter. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. The Supergirl movie was part of the shared universe with the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. Dude, no one cares. The reason why people say that the MCU did it first is because they really took the concept beyond just two movies or two shows appearing together, and redefined what it is. Sure, maybe DC did it first with something small, but unless you're a hardcore DC fan who knows all the movies and TV shows, the average film goer probably doesn't even know about half the shit you said. To them when they think of a shared universe, the MCU will come up That's why it's important to inform the uninformed and uneducated, especially when they get historical facts wrong. If your child came home from school 1 day and said "Today our history teacher taught us that Charles Lindberg was the first person in history to fly a plane", wouldn't you be upset that the teacher is teaching your child historical inaccuracies? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 2:32:29 GMT
Dude, no one cares. The reason why people say that the MCU did it first is because they really took the concept beyond just two movies or two shows appearing together, and redefined what it is. Sure, maybe DC did it first with something small, but unless you're a hardcore DC fan who knows all the movies and TV shows, the average film goer probably doesn't even know about half the shit you said. To them when they think of a shared universe, the MCU will come up That's why it's important to inform the uninformed and uneducated, especially when they get historical facts wrong. If your child came home from school 1 day and said "Today our history teacher taught us that Charles Lindberg was the first person in history to fly a plane", wouldn't you be upset that the teacher is teaching your child historical inaccuracies? Buddy, you are the last person in the world to be telling anyone facts about anything. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 7, 2017 3:00:03 GMT
The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. Dan Tanna once appeared on an episode of Charlie's Angels so that puts Charlie's Angels and Vega$ in the same setting and makes them a shared universe, regardless of whether or not Dan Tanna was ever mentioned again on Charlie's Angels or whether or not Charlie or ay of the Angels were ever mentioned on Vega$. Nope. It was two different 1/2-hour shows that were shown back-to-back and promoted as The Shazam!/Isis Power Hour. In fact, the 1st season of Shazam!, there wasn't even an Isis show. Filmation had the TV rights to Shazam. Shazam was very popular among young boys so Filmation wanted a superhero show for young girls too. But Filmation didn't want to use Mary Marvel because 1) they didn't want to have to pay DC the fees to use Mary Marvel and 2) they didn't want a character that was basically a copy of Shazam. So Filmation created their own character, Isis. Like Harley Quinn (who's 1st appearance was in Batman: The Animated Series before she was in the comics), Isis is 1 of the few comic-book characters who appeared on TV before appearing in the comics. Again, that doesn't matter. The very meaning of "shared universe" means 2 different shows or movies that take place in the same setting. They don't have to be mentioned again. The Supergirl movie was part of the shared universe with the Christopher Reeve Superman movies. Actually it does matter. It doesn't make it a shared universe, but a guest appearance. You might as well say that I Love Lucy is in the Superman world. Superman is a big thing and is never talked about again. Dumbass!
Within the setting of The Adventures of Superman, Superman is a real character with real superpowers. Within the setting of I Love Lucy, Superman is a fictional character on a TV show. That's why Ricky told the kids to close their eyes and "When I tell you to open your eyes, you open them. You're going to see your favorite TV star - Superman."
Prior to that, Ricky also called Lucy and told Lucy that he spoke to "Superman"'s secretary and she said he's leaving for Terra Haute on Saturday and his flight leaves on Saturday. Obviously, they're talking about the actor (George Reeves) playing the fictional character of Superman on a TV show and not the real character of Superman.
It's no different than the Two and a Half Men episode where Lynda Carter was a friend of Walden and Alan had a huge crush on "Wonder Woman" (Lynda Carter) as a child and wanted Walden to set him up on a date with Lynda Carter. Walden didn't want to do it and when Jenny asks "Why don't you want to set him up?", Walden says "Because she's out of his league" and then Jenny asks "What league is she in?" and Walden says "Well, for starters, the Justice League." Everyone knew they were referring to Wonder Woman as a fictional character played by Lynda Carter in a TV show and not referring to Wonder Woman as a real character (like she is the Wonder Woman TV series).
As for the Superman movies and the Supergirl movie, both Superman and Supergirl and all the other characters (including Jimmy Olsen, who appears in both sets of movies) are real characters within the settings of those movies. So that is a shared universe and is officially the 1st shared universe for superheroes in the movies.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 7, 2017 5:09:40 GMT
DC-Fan continues to illustrate what a joke he is, that he puts this much time into these discussions is both sad and amusing. Dude doesn't have much of a life, obviously.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 8, 2017 15:47:33 GMT
DC-Fan continues to illustrate what a joke he is, that he puts this much time into these discussions is both sad and amusing. Dude doesn't have much of a life, obviously. Why do you think I'm just messing with him now? I actually watched that episode of I Love Lucy before replying to him. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 8, 2017 16:43:01 GMT
Actually it does matter. It doesn't make it a shared universe, but a guest appearance. You might as well say that I Love Lucy is in the Superman world. Superman is a big thing and is never talked about again. Dumbass!
Within the setting of The Adventures of Superman, Superman is a real character with real superpowers. Within the setting of I Love Lucy, Superman is a fictional character on a TV show. That's why Ricky told the kids to close their eyes and "When I tell you to open your eyes, you open them. You're going to see your favorite TV star - Superman."
Prior to that, Ricky also called Lucy and told Lucy that he spoke to "Superman"'s secretary and she said he's leaving for Terra Haute on Saturday and his flight leaves on Saturday. Obviously, they're talking about the actor (George Reeves) playing the fictional character of Superman on a TV show and not the real character of Superman.
It's no different than the Two and a Half Men episode where Lynda Carter was a friend of Walden and Alan had a huge crush on "Wonder Woman" (Lynda Carter) as a child and wanted Walden to set him up on a date with Lynda Carter. Walden didn't want to do it and when Jenny asks "Why don't you want to set him up?", Walden says "Because she's out of his league" and then Jenny asks "What league is she in?" and Walden says "Well, for starters, the Justice League." Everyone knew they were referring to Wonder Woman as a fictional character played by Lynda Carter in a TV show and not referring to Wonder Woman as a real character (like she is the Wonder Woman TV series).
As for the Superman movies and the Supergirl movie, both Superman and Supergirl and all the other characters (including Jimmy Olsen, who appears in both sets of movies) are real characters within the settings of those movies. So that is a shared universe and is officially the 1st shared universe for superheroes in the movies.
Still doesn't make it a shared universe. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Sept 15, 2017 16:37:36 GMT
Jesus this gets old. How about the MCU just makes better movies? They do. That is a fact. Why does anything else matter? BvS could have made $10 billion dollars world wide. Would it have mattered? It is still a terrible movie.
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Post by damngumby on Sept 15, 2017 17:31:52 GMT
Accurate enough. The Wright brothers were not the first to get a powered aircraft off the ground, but they were the first to fly a significant distance and they successfully built upon that success. That is why they get the credit for ushering in the aviation era. Saying that DC created the first shared cinematic universe is like saying this was the first airplane.  |
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