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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2017 3:15:40 GMT
So it was my wife's turn to choose a movie for date night and partly because she loves Wonder Woman, partly because she'll have a good time if I like SS, and partly because she'll enjoy annoying me if I don't, she chose Suicide Squad for us to watch. I gave it an honest shot, although I completely admit that I wasn't hopeful.
First off, my favorite character was the jail guard who was a dick to several members of the team. Yes, seriously, that was my favorite character. He had the best lines in the movie. Deadshot was pretty cool actually. They did good using him to drive the film and there were a lot of good scenes played off of him, my favorite being "2nd go delete my browser history" which I genuinely laughed at. He had a good look, solid backstory, cool use of skill, etc. Harley was also portrayed well, Diablo made sense in terms of his character arc,
And that's about it for the positives.
The main theme here is almost nothing was explored, character backstories were given in one or two sentences, the villain's only motivation was 'she doesn't like things', and half the characters didn't matter at all. Seriously, they could have cut out the entire Joker side story altogether and nothing about the plot changes at all. It affected nothing. It was useless.
Killer Croc was useless, Boomerang didn't matter, and Slipknot did nothing. All three characters could have been dropped and you lose nothing. None of them had an important scene. You didn't need Slipknot just to prove the bombs were real. You didn't need Boomerang just for the 5 second camera view of Enchantress. And you didn't need Croc to swim to the bomb when you already established there were guys with scuba gear who got there without him. They should have dropped all of them and introduced Katana at the beginning, using all of their screen time to give her backstory a little more purpose, because other than bringing the sword that stops Enchantress, she didn't do anything important either. And what a horrible introduction she had, with Flagg annoyingly telling you about her sword. Holy shit that was some amateur shit dialogue.
Even Harley didn't do anything of value. Anybody could have picked up that sword. There was no reason she did it other than they wanted to give her a moment. Up until then, why is a crazy woman with a baseball bat on a team that was designed to stop the next Superman. She has no chance of helping such an effort. And not to mention her backstory added zero to her character. After watching it, I have no idea why she became Harley, why she fell in love with Joker, and it's because all you see is him asking her for a machine gun. They tell you in one sentence that she loves him, and I'm supposed to accept that? Seriously, that's the best effort they could make?
"her sword traps the souls of it's victims", "just as I hoped, it got personal", "I built a machine" , "they didn't have clearance," this movie is just full of one liners they think are supposed to fully explain the plot and get you emotionally invested in what's happening with no other set up. That's how lazy as shit this movie is.
And then we have the villain. First, WTF is she doing? The writers got to the point of having her "build a machine" whatever that means, and then she does absolutely nothing the rest of the film until the squad shows up like it's the end of a Final Fantasy game. Are there any details on this machine or how it works? nope. All we know is however long it takes the team to get to her is the exact amount of time she needs to build it. Second, HOLY SHIT the zombies she makes are completely pointless. They show up, they all get killed, they show up, they all get killed, and no this isn't the same as the Chitari. In that case there was an established army at the beginning with a stated goal of winning the Earth for Loki. But these zombies just show up wherever we want an action scene and are easily defeated with a bat. Are we supposed to be afraid of turning into them? Is she going to turn everybody into one of them? I have no idea, the film doesn't address what the fucking point of them is, and they were weak as shit. Third, how bad was the CGI on her in her clean form? Her dirty form worked a little better, but she looked like a cartoon in her clean form and so did her brother.
What they should have done is cut out the completely pointless characters like Boomerang, Croc, and Slipknot, bring in Katana earlier and add to her and Diablo's backstory while tying in the themes of the supernatural between their powers and Enchantress. Then have what the Joker is doing actually affect the plot in some tangible way, even if his mission had nothing to do with Enchantress. Those things alone would have made this a far more competent film.
As it is, they filmed a rough draft. This was a first pass at a film, they gave up, and just filmed it without putting any more effort into the script, and it's obviously vanilla, thoughtless, and everything said or presented is just lip service to ideas that might have been cool have they had put any effort into it. But what it turned out to be is a lazy, boring, pointless film.
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 28, 2017 3:34:41 GMT
I should also point out that the film has some editing issues. That third act, in particular, probably had some of the worst editings I've seen in a big-budget film.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 3:35:50 GMT
Pretty much, yeah. In any event, I look forward to seeing Tristan and DC-Fan try to defend this crap.
Guardians of the Galaxy V. 1 and 2 did it better, bitches.
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 28, 2017 3:37:21 GMT
Pretty much, yeah. In any event, I look forward to seeing Tristan and DC-Fan try to defend this crap. Guardians of the Galaxu V. 1 and 2 did it better, bitches. Fuck you. Sorry to point this out, but I think you have a typo... |
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Post by brownstones on Aug 28, 2017 3:43:49 GMT
SS is a film little can or want to defend, all you can say is "it's a mess, i hated it" or "it's a mess i thought it was okay" and that's about it.
now i know there is a longer cut and vastly different cut (know a guy), but it wouldn't have saved the ending.
but i will say someone made a fan edit where they removed the 97 pop songs and added the actual score....and well........let's just say some scenes feel better.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 28, 2017 3:53:45 GMT
SS is a film little can or want to defend, all you can say is "it's a mess, i hated it" or "it's a mess i thought it was okay" and that's about it. now i know there is a longer cut and vastly different cut (know a guy), but it wouldn't have saved the ending. but i will say someone made a fan edit where they removed the 97 pop songs and added the actual score....and well........let's just say some scenes feel better. Is it on YouTube or something? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 28, 2017 3:59:24 GMT
It's garbage, but at least it's watchable compared to BvS. And I agree with blockbusted, some of the worst editing I've ever seen.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2017 4:15:15 GMT
It's garbage, but at least it's watchable compared to BvS. And I agree with blockbusted, some of the worst editing I've ever seen. It's not good, I agree. It hits the barest minimum of effort to be above anything truly terrible like Catwoman for instance. If 5 is just an ok film, this is probably a 4.
For comparison, MOS had a better overall script and production, but it also had more terrible moments, so I'd give them both a 4, and I've still never seen BVS and don't plan to. Nothing in the DCU so far has convinced me to bother watching any more of it. WW was fine. I'd give it a 7 probably, which would be ok if the rest were 8's or better, but it's not special enough to salvage anything they've done or get me into JL.
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 28, 2017 4:22:35 GMT
It's garbage, but at least it's watchable compared to BvS. And I agree with blockbusted, some of the worst editing I've ever seen. I'm not entirely sure if the film's overall editing is worse than '47 Ronin' (only saw that once), but that third act's editing was definitely worse. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2017 4:30:21 GMT
I should also point out that the film has some editing issues. That third act, in particular, probably had some of the worst editings I've seen in a big-budget film. I was honestly too caught up with the hollow plot and character development.
What editing did you find so terrible?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 7:37:16 GMT
I haven't seen it yet. So basically it's a Netflix movie; just have it on in the background while talking or doing other shit with friends or family and occasionally look at it after a conversation ends?
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Post by Hitman's Bodyguard on Aug 28, 2017 9:38:13 GMT
It was good, for what it for. An action spectacle.
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Post by King Conan on Aug 28, 2017 9:50:46 GMT
Suicide Squad was garbage. A typical kiddie movie, with watered down wannabe criminals, who think tey are evil. I hope it will rebooted soon. I want a hard Rated-R action flick with real criminals, and pussies who whining about beinhaltet not normal, or the world hates them.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 28, 2017 9:52:48 GMT
despite the Oscar this movie seems like the epitome of trash filmmaking. Mindless junk food produced and served for juvenilles hitting full scale puberty and who just have grown out of raccoon turd and dance off movies. The trash factor is constituted by elements such as the relentless use of generic pop songs as score, the hideous CL filters and lightening (mostly green-ish, mud and neon) or the video clip editing and cutting. All a pity as this had great storytelling potential - it has a band of anti-hero protagonists, two main black protagonists and the first female antagonist, and some interesting concept characters. 4/10
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Post by scabab on Aug 28, 2017 9:57:35 GMT
I thought it was pretty decent. Probably the weakest of the DCEU movies so far. It was action packed enough though but it had too many characters for one movie which meant only a few of them had anything to do.
There were 8 members of the Suicide Squad of which only half of them had any decent sized role, then there were two villains, Joker was there, then other characters. The story wasn't too great either.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2017 12:00:18 GMT
I thought it was pretty decent. Probably the weakest of the DCEU movies so far. It was action packed enough though but it had too many characters for one movie which meant only a few of them had anything to do. There were 8 members of the Suicide Squad of which only half of them had any decent sized role, then there were two villains, Joker was there, then other characters. The story wasn't too great either. The Joker was completely pointless though. His entire side story didn't affect the plot at all and could have been cut entirely without changing a thing. You got a little backstory on Harley, but it wasn't nearly enough as you have no idea why she liked him so much to help him break out. As with most things in the movie, they tell you in one sentence that she fell in love and you're just supposed to accept this as "character development".
And what action? The zombies that just sort of come out of nowhere and for no real reason any time they want will to shoot something or Harley to beat things with her bat? Did they even cause a scratch on anybody? How did Enchantress make them anyway? Was she going to make more? What was the point? They were just random "we need an action scene now" things.
You're right that it had far too many characters. At least 3 did absolutely nothing, and then neither did Katana other than bringing a sword. When you have 4 main characters that do nothing in your movie, you have a shitty script. There's no pretty decent about it, that is inexcusable. Even Harley didn't do anything. Seriously think about it, what arc did she go through? Anybody could have picked up that sword at the end but they wanted Harley to have a moment. So that's 5 character who's grand total of accomplishments were bringing a sword and swinging it once at the main villain.
And you can sum up the main villain in once sentence. An ancient ghost possesses a woman and uses a smoke machine to try and destroy the world because she doesn't like technology. Seriously, what else was there? Do we know anything about this machine she spent half the movie building? Do we know where this spirit came from or anything about it? No. I hear people try to complain about villains like Ronan or Malekith and yet both of those are miles and miles better than did with Enchantress here. Her CGI was terrible too.
I don't know how this can be called decent. The best thing that can be said about it is nothing obviously shitty happens, but aside from that almost no thought went into any character or development. It's as bland as it gets.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2017 12:04:14 GMT
despite the Oscar this movie seems like the epitome of trash filmmaking. Mindless junk food produced and served for juvenilles hitting full scale puberty and who just have grown out of raccoon turd and dance off movies. The trash factor is constituted by elements such as the relentless use of generic pop songs as score, the hideous CL filters and lightening (mostly green-ish, mud and neon) or the video clip editing and cutting. All a pity as this had great storytelling potential - it has a band of anti-hero protagonists, two main black protagonists and the first female antagonist, and some interesting concept characters. 4/10
I actually agree on all counts except there is no comparison to Guardians of the Galaxy at all. The dance off scene is actually quite appropriate in many ways and if you're still stuck not getting it, I'll explain it for you. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2017 12:06:37 GMT
It was good, for what it for. An action spectacle. Only if you don't think about it at all. You have 5 character who basically added nothing to the plot, and pointless zombie beat down scenes. It's a thoughtless piece of shit. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 28, 2017 12:10:09 GMT
despite the Oscar this movie seems like the epitome of trash filmmaking. Mindless junk food produced and served for juvenilles hitting full scale puberty and who just have grown out of raccoon turd and dance off movies. The trash factor is constituted by elements such as the relentless use of generic pop songs as score, the hideous CL filters and lightening (mostly green-ish, mud and neon) or the video clip editing and cutting. All a pity as this had great storytelling potential - it has a band of anti-hero protagonists, two main black protagonists and the first female antagonist, and some interesting concept characters. 4/10
I actually on all counts except there is comparison to Guardians of the Galaxy at all. The dance off scene is actually quite appropriate in many ways and if you're still stuck not getting it, I'll explain it for you. The verb is missing, but I get the drift.
No, please do not explain Guardians to me, my problem is I get it too much. As a little token, some dialogue of the masterpeice that was part 2:
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Post by skribb on Aug 28, 2017 12:26:40 GMT
that was one hell of a long way to say "trash"
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