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Post by agentblue on Sept 1, 2017 7:24:43 GMT
It was for the best that they didn't get teen Scott right. Since the original run of the X-Men is unpopular. Wrong again, Hand Job. It is entirely possible to get teen Scott right and make him a palpable character. X-Men: Evolution did a great job with him. Yeah I liked him in X Men Evolution |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 1, 2017 7:26:32 GMT
It was for the best that they didn't get teen Scott right. Since the original run of the X-Men is unpopular. Wrong again, Hand Job. It is entirely possible to get teen Scott right and make him a palpable character. X-Men: Evolution did a great job with him. No, Evolution made a better teen Cyclops than Stan Lee and Roy Thomas did. He wasn't exactly the Boy Scout in that series. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 1, 2017 14:32:09 GMT
No, I read it. I'll believe they'll actually go through with it when I see it. Given the X-Men films' poor batting average, I have no reason to believe them. They couldn't even get Scott right ONCE in 17 years.For the most part: this. They have this reputation of saying they will do something and not follow through with it. And a lot of times it's not something small, but major enough that they'll keep bringing it up in interviews. After DoFP, I'm at the point of "wait and see" when it comes to them actually putting something in the movie. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 1, 2017 14:36:17 GMT
Wrong again, Hand Job. It is entirely possible to get teen Scott right and make him a palpable character. X-Men: Evolution did a great job with him. No, Evolution made a better teen Cyclops than Stan Lee and Roy Thomas did. He wasn't exactly the Boy Scout in that series. He was no where near a boy scout in Apocalypse either. Also, Scott is not a boy scout. He's as much a loner as Wolverine. Scott is just dedicated to the X-men and feels responsible to them because he is the field leader. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 1, 2017 14:39:04 GMT
I remember when they said that their original take on X3 was more intergalactic. And I also remember when they made a big deal about them going to space in the next one. I'm thinking they are toning back on X-men for the other titles like Deadpool, maybe X-Force and New Mutants, and only making X-men movies for the rights. There's no a way a studio would put a first time director on their flagship series like this unless they are pushing them back for the other movie series they are doing. After Apocalypse, saying you are trying to make a very huge story/character like Dark Phoenix grounded means you are going smaller with the X-men. Dark Phoenix was grounded. It focused on the corruption of Jean by the Hellfire Club. The Shi'ar didn't show up until the final issue. They were a plot device to depower/kill Jean. And since The Hellfire Club is not in the movie, but the Shi'ar are (and the villains), guess which part of that story they will be focusing on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 16:15:52 GMT
Wrong again, Hand Job. It is entirely possible to get teen Scott right and make him a palpable character. X-Men: Evolution did a great job with him. No, Evolution made a better teen Cyclops than Stan Lee and Roy Thomas did. He wasn't exactly the Boy Scout in that series. When did I ever say he was a complete Boy Scout? Show me. No, what I said is that Evolution did teen Scott right, whereas X-Men: Apocalypse teen Scott was just a failure as a portrayal of... any character, ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 16:17:38 GMT
No, Evolution made a better teen Cyclops than Stan Lee and Roy Thomas did. He wasn't exactly the Boy Scout in that series. He was no where near a boy scout in Apocalypse either. Also, Scott is not a boy scout. He's as much a loner as Wolverine. Scott is just dedicated to the X-men and feels responsible to them because he is the field leader. Thank you. I have no idea where Hand Job keeps getting this crap that I never said. No wonder the guy likes the X-Men films. He doesn't understand anything unless its spoonfed to him. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 1, 2017 20:19:58 GMT
No, Evolution made a better teen Cyclops than Stan Lee and Roy Thomas did. He wasn't exactly the Boy Scout in that series. He was no where near a boy scout in Apocalypse either. Also, Scott is not a boy scout. He's as much a loner as Wolverine. Scott is just dedicated to the X-men and feels responsible to them because he is the field leader. Being a Boy Scout doesn't mean you can't be a loner. And I know he wasn't a Boy Scout in Apocalypse. In fact, I said Evo Scott was a cool teen version. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 1, 2017 20:33:05 GMT
Dark Phoenix was grounded. It focused on the corruption of Jean by the Hellfire Club. The Shi'ar didn't show up until the final issue. They were a plot device to depower/kill Jean. And since The Hellfire Club is not in the movie, but the Shi'ar are (and the villains), guess which part of that story they will be focusing on. Was it actually stated that the Hellfire Club weren't in this movie? |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 1, 2017 20:48:33 GMT
He was no where near a boy scout in Apocalypse either. Also, Scott is not a boy scout. He's as much a loner as Wolverine. Scott is just dedicated to the X-men and feels responsible to them because he is the field leader. Being a Boy Scout doesn't mean you can't be a loner. And I know he wasn't a Boy Scout in Apocalypse. In fact, I said Evo Scott was a cool teen version. "He's as much a loner as Wolverine." That is a totally different thing than being a loner boy scout. In many ways, he and Wolverine are the same character. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 1, 2017 20:56:13 GMT
And since The Hellfire Club is not in the movie, but the Shi'ar are (and the villains), guess which part of that story they will be focusing on. Was it actually stated that the Hellfire Club weren't in this movie? If they put The Hellfire Club in this movie then they need to just stop because they don't care anymore. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 3, 2017 19:52:17 GMT
Was it actually stated that the Hellfire Club weren't in this movie? If they put The Hellfire Club in this movie then they need to just stop because they don't care anymore. It's probably going to be a movie version of Shadow King that corrupts Jean. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 3, 2017 20:55:20 GMT
If they put The Hellfire Club in this movie then they need to just stop because they don't care anymore. It's probably going to be a movie version of Shadow King that corrupts Jean. That would be cool. But where would that leave Lilandra as the villain? I think they'll just do the same thing as X3 and have Xavier and Magneto fight over her (X3 did have Magneto take the place of Shaw which is ironic). In every movie Xavier and Magneto (why is he even in this movie?!) fight over something and since Phoenix will be the McGuffin, they'll fight over her. Lilandra will be the 3rd party like Worthington, II in X3. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 3, 2017 22:03:27 GMT
It's probably going to be a movie version of Shadow King that corrupts Jean. That would be cool. But where would that leave Lilandra as the villain? I think they'll just do the same thing as X3 and have Xavier and Magneto fight over her (X3 did have Magneto take the place of Shaw which is ironic). In every movie Xavier and Magneto (why is he even in this movie?!) fight over something and since Phoenix will be the McGuffin, they'll fight over her. Lilandra will be the 3rd party like Worthington, II in X3. I think Apocalypse already set up a connection between Shadow King/En Sabah Nu and Lilandra. He got his technology from the Shi'ar and that's where he learned about the Phoenix. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 3, 2017 22:15:21 GMT
That would be cool. But where would that leave Lilandra as the villain? I think they'll just do the same thing as X3 and have Xavier and Magneto fight over her (X3 did have Magneto take the place of Shaw which is ironic). In every movie Xavier and Magneto (why is he even in this movie?!) fight over something and since Phoenix will be the McGuffin, they'll fight over her. Lilandra will be the 3rd party like Worthington, II in X3. I think Apocalypse already set up a connection between Shadow King/En Sabah Nu and Lilandra. He got his technology from the Shi'ar and that's where he learned about the Phoenix. But there was nothing about aliens in Apocalypse. |
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Post by agentblue on Sept 4, 2017 1:23:44 GMT
I think Apocalypse already set up a connection between Shadow King/En Sabah Nu and Lilandra. He got his technology from the Shi'ar and that's where he learned about the Phoenix. But there was nothing about aliens in Apocalypse. That we know of. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 4, 2017 3:40:26 GMT
I think Apocalypse already set up a connection between Shadow King/En Sabah Nu and Lilandra. He got his technology from the Shi'ar and that's where he learned about the Phoenix. But there was nothing about aliens in Apocalypse. Except his body switching machine. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 4, 2017 12:37:08 GMT
But there was nothing about aliens in Apocalypse. Except his body switching machine. Mutants. You forget there are mutants like Forge who's whole ability is technology. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 4, 2017 12:44:28 GMT
But there was nothing about aliens in Apocalypse. That we know of. "That we know of" is correct. There is nothing in the movie saying that there is alien influence. They can put something in the next movie to retroactively upgrade the events in the previous movie. Similar to Jean giving a look at the end of X1. In X1, that look could be her fear when she was telling Cyclops not to shoot and he does anyway. But in X2 Cyclops says that she wasn't the same since Liberty Island, making that look meaning the Phoenix was unlocked. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Sept 4, 2017 14:02:05 GMT
Except his body switching machine. Mutants. You forget there are mutants like Forge who's whole ability is technology. Not according to the filmmakers. |
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