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Post by WarrenPeace on Aug 29, 2017 18:06:34 GMT
A baseball player hits a home run. He looks to the sky and thinks a higher power had something to do with it.
The same player gets robbed of a home run when the outfielder makes a great "over the wall" catch.
Now why doesn't the same batter curse at god and why doesn't the outfielder thank the higher power?
And now no one is blaming God for the flooding in Texas and yet there are those same people who believe in the book of myths of the great big flood that God created.
It rains and floods their house. Nothing.
Get picked up by rescuers, "Thank God you're here!"
Christians are sure one hell of a fucked up and hypocritical bunch.
Aren't they?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Aug 29, 2017 18:08:55 GMT
That would be funny. Someone strikes out, looks up at the sky, shoots it a bird and yells "FU"!
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 29, 2017 18:11:15 GMT
People blame God all the time for the dumbest of things and even by people who don't believe in him.
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Post by mikef6 on Aug 29, 2017 18:24:28 GMT
I think the opposite is more often true. There is a great line in the great neo-realist film "Roma, Cittá Aperta" (Open City) (1945, Roberto Rosselini). It takes place during the Nazi occupation of Rome during WWII. Someone asks the local priest why God allows such things to happen. The priest replies something like, "People always ask that when they are suffering but never when they are blessed."
Nevertheless, your point is well taken about the religious displays of sports figures and other public figures.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 29, 2017 18:26:23 GMT
The religious displays of sports figures and whatnot are of no consequence so no point in getting bent out of shape about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 18:43:55 GMT
Yeah that is something i also wonder about.
I mean if you can give thanks to God, than logically you should also be able to blame God.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 18:45:49 GMT
People blame God all the time for the dumbest of things and even by people who don't believe in him. Yeah you do know if they blame God than they believe in him. A person who does not believe in God does not blame God. |
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Post by phludowin on Aug 29, 2017 21:43:41 GMT
Maybe the players consider it a public display of humility to than God for a good play, and not blame God for a fault.
Like: If I score, it's thanks to God; if I fail, it's my own fault.
I don't know how sincere these players are; but if these gestures keep them grounded and help with their performances, maybe it's not a bad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 23:03:40 GMT
People blame God all the time for the dumbest of things and even by people who don't believe in him. You believe god exists, do you not? Do you believe he intercedes in the world to alter the course of events? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 23:10:34 GMT
Maybe the players consider it a public display of humility to than God for a good play, and not blame God for a fault. It never struck me as humble to make the assumption that the creator of the entire universe routinely takes time out of his day to help you out in your sporting endeavours. In fact it seems to me like a tremendously egotistical thing to believe. Far, far more so than assuming that you were just better and a bit more lucky than your opponent on the day. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 29, 2017 23:32:48 GMT
People blame God all the time for the dumbest of things and even by people who don't believe in him. Yeah you do know if they blame God than they believe in him. A person who does not believe in God does not blame God. Well, I am assuming it's their weird version of sarcasm or the misapplied use of contradiction. In any event, it's always been a silly thing for non-religious people to presume what religious people get upset about or if they get upset with God. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 29, 2017 23:35:56 GMT
People blame God all the time for the dumbest of things and even by people who don't believe in him. You believe god exists, do you not? Do you believe he intercedes in the world to alter the course of events? Of course he can intercede and particularly in ways that are to his or his followers' benefit. That's not exactly the same thing as me believing he's responsible for a touchdown or a flood or even that there';s some siort of obligation for him to involve himself in all matters. That has nothing to do with an individual praising or cursing God though. Neither have an impact on the one bugged by it. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Aug 29, 2017 23:47:48 GMT
A baseball player hits a home run. He looks to the sky and thinks a higher power had something to do with it. The same player gets robbed of a home run when the outfielder makes a great "over the wall" catch. Now why doesn't the same batter curse at god and why doesn't the outfielder thank the higher power? And now no one is blaming God for the flooding in Texas and yet there are those same people who believe in the book of myths of the great big flood that God created. It rains and floods their house. Nothing. Get picked up by rescuers, "Thank God you're here!" Christians are sure one hell of a fucked up and hypocritical bunch. Aren't they? Some people are more outspoken than others. Matthew 5:45 " ... the rain falls on the just and the unjust ..." |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 23:49:23 GMT
Yeah you do know if they blame God than they believe in him. A person who does not believe in God does not blame God. Well, I am assuming it's their weird version of sarcasm or the misapplied use of contradiction. In any event, it's always been a silly thing for non-religious people to presume what religious people get upset about or if they get upset with God. You do know that it is possible to believe in God without being religious. And you do know that a non believer does not get upset with God because he does not believe in God. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 29, 2017 23:51:40 GMT
Well, I am assuming it's their weird version of sarcasm or the misapplied use of contradiction. In any event, it's always been a silly thing for non-religious people to presume what religious people get upset about or if they get upset with God. You do know that it is possible to believe in God without being religious. And you do know that a non believer does not get upset with God because he does not believe in God. Would you like to change the topic to the one you're discussing? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 0:27:48 GMT
I think the opposite is more often true. There is a great line in the great neo-realist film "Roma, Cittá Aperta" (Open City) (1945, Roberto Rosselini). It takes place during the Nazi occupation of Rome during WWII. Someone asks the local priest why God allows such things to happen. The priest replies something like, "People always ask that when they are suffering but never when they are blessed." Nevertheless, your point is well taken about the religious displays of sports figures and other public figures. People are more likely to ask that when they are suffering because there is more suffering in the average life than there is joy. And what "blessings" there are can usually be defined as being relief from harm or deprivation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 1:17:40 GMT
You believe god exists, do you not? Do you believe he intercedes in the world to alter the course of events? Of course he can intercede and particularly in ways that are to his or his followers' benefit. Can, or does? Okay. What kinds of things is he responsible for? Why wouldn't there be a moral obligation to intercede in certain things? To prevent a rape, for instance? If you saw a rape in progress and had the power to stop it, it would be your moral obligation to do so, wouldn't it? Sure it does, if they are praising him for his intercession. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 30, 2017 2:26:15 GMT
A baseball player hits a home run. He looks to the sky and thinks a higher power had something to do with it. The same player gets robbed of a home run when the outfielder makes a great "over the wall" catch. Now why doesn't the same batter curse at god and why doesn't the outfielder thank the higher power? And now no one is blaming God for the flooding in Texas and yet there are those same people who believe in the book of myths of the great big flood that God created. It rains and floods their house. Nothing.
Get picked up by rescuers, "Thank God you're here!" Christians are sure one hell of a fucked up and hypocritical bunch. Aren't they? I am similarly irritated by family members in a hospital waiting room who, when the surgeon comes out after 8 hours of grueling surgery to tell them their loved one is going to make it, the family members say, "oh thank god". 'Scuse me? Thank the surgeon who's long and expensive education made him skilled enough to do the actual work of saving your family member's life. When I went into remission from cancer, I didn't thank god, I thanked my oncologist, my surgeon, my anesthesiologist, and wished I could thank the many researchers who made the advances in medical science that made my remission possible. Of course, atheists never thank god. |
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Post by WarrenPeace on Aug 30, 2017 3:24:23 GMT
Maybe the players consider it a public display of humility to than God for a good play, and not blame God for a fault. Like: If I score, it's thanks to God; if I fail, it's my own fault. I don't know how sincere these players are; but if these gestures keep them grounded and help with their performances, maybe it's not a bad thing. It doesn't make sense to thank an invisible higher power when things go good only to blame yourself when they don't. It should be one or the other for everything. |
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Post by maya55555 on Aug 30, 2017 3:38:18 GMT
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No. It is incorrect to lump an entire group's behaviour on your feelings. There are many people, of any religion, who have cursed or questioned GOD. The Christ quoted from scripture while being crucified, my GOD why have you abandoned me?
Work in the ER and listen to people in a crisis.
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