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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 5, 2017 3:18:30 GMT
Hey, that was good for a laugh. Hit it, Hillary! Really cute!!  Glad you liked it, SciFive. It was recommended to me on YouTube a little while ago and I flipped over it. |
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Post by SciFive on Sept 5, 2017 3:20:31 GMT
Really cute!! Glad you liked it, SciFive. It was recommended to me on YouTube a little while ago and I flipped over it. Hillary likes to laugh at her own comments. Sometimes I wonder if the chuckles are scripted into her speeches, though. "I want to say [chuckle] that next year we should [guffaw] do something else [chortle]..."
Something like that. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 5, 2017 3:24:15 GMT
Glad you liked it, SciFive. It was recommended to me on YouTube a little while ago and I flipped over it. Hillary likes to laugh at her own comments. Sometimes I wonder if the chuckles are scripted into her speeches, though. "I want to say [chuckle] that next year we should [guffaw] do something else [chortle]..."
Something like that. With advances in human cloning, perhaps someday she will have a room full of Hillaries to laugh at her "jokes." |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2017 3:56:08 GMT
the very thought of taking any moral action against expression is so far out of the universe that my poetry exists in, that i would have to question who is behind the curtain pulling the strings in such a world as this? why, even light-traveling at horrendous speed-bends around the portal of creativity. knowing full well, it too will be exposed for the illusion it truly is. Thankfully taking moral action against certain types of expression is right at home in the universe we actually live in: see laws like libel and slander. In any case, no real "moral action" has been taken against your poetry beyond others calling you a racist, and that's not a "moral ACTION," that's just an expression of thought concerning your expression of thought, and turnabout's fair play there. The limiting your poetry to one thread wasn't a "moral action," but a decision made because the Admin (and others) feel your dozens of threads are the equivalent of spamming the board. I personally don't care as I find them easy enough to ignore, but I didn't complain and had no hand in the decision, so you're barking up the wrong tree complaining to me. That's why I find scienceisgod 's accusing me of "martyring" and "controlling" you absurd as I'm on record as being one of the most liberally-minded people on here when it comes to maintaining the moderator-free chaos that was the original IMDb boards. I even predicted that the banning of Ada and Blade would likely result in the slow-death of this board, and it's starting to look like I was right. the board may be dying, but it's not from me. and of course you personally care or you would not be so adamant in responding. the ignore feature is a wonderful tool, set up for those who just can't bare to read anything that might actually bring into question the dreams they are crucified on. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Sept 5, 2017 4:29:33 GMT
Thankfully taking moral action against certain types of expression is right at home in the universe we actually live in: see laws like libel and slander. In any case, no real "moral action" has been taken against your poetry beyond others calling you a racist, and that's not a "moral ACTION," that's just an expression of thought concerning your expression of thought, and turnabout's fair play there. The limiting your poetry to one thread wasn't a "moral action," but a decision made because the Admin (and others) feel your dozens of threads are the equivalent of spamming the board. I personally don't care as I find them easy enough to ignore, but I didn't complain and had no hand in the decision, so you're barking up the wrong tree complaining to me. That's why I find scienceisgod 's accusing me of "martyring" and "controlling" you absurd as I'm on record as being one of the most liberally-minded people on here when it comes to maintaining the moderator-free chaos that was the original IMDb boards. I even predicted that the banning of Ada and Blade would likely result in the slow-death of this board, and it's starting to look like I was right. and of course you personally care or you would not be so adamant in responding. Dude, go back and read my actual responses in this thread. My first one is HERE. Now please show me where I'm "caring" about the admin's actions against you. My only "adamant" responses occurred once you started accusing people of "thought policing" you, which is ludicrous. The actions taken against you have nothing to do with the content of your poetry, but the sheer amount of it; ie, people feeling that it's spamming the boards. If content was the issue then they'd be requesting you be banned, rather than requesting that all your poems be contained in a single thread. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2017 4:32:15 GMT
and of course you personally care or you would not be so adamant in responding. Dude, go back and read my actual responses in this thread. My first one is HERE. Now please show me where I'm "caring" about the admin's actions against you. My only "adamant" responses occurred once you started accusing people of "thought policing" you, which is ludicrous. The actions taken against you have nothing to do with the content of your poetry, but the sheer amount of it; ie, people feeling that it's spamming the boards. If content was the issue then they'd be requesting you be banned, rather than requesting that all your poems be contained in a single thread. that this is even an issue, in any way shape or form, is completely ludicrous to me as a human being. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Sept 5, 2017 4:40:42 GMT
I'm sure I don't have to explain the difference between an artist portraying a character using a racist term in the context of their reality and some hack plying "spear chicken" in a lower-case botchery of the language that provides no character at all. No such context was offered by fleet. Just a comfy white dude playing about with terms that have no bearing on his comfy existence, and it's hardly been the first time. Beyond that Tarantino works closely with and has input from those who are affected by those terms (see the exchange with Jackson during the making of Django) and has STILL caught heat for his somewhat over the top usage... which makes some Reader's Digest-level nimrod in a forum vacuum that much more evidently at fault in their carelessness. I wasn't trying to suggest an exact equivalency, merely that even in the case of Tarantino where there is--at least superficially--a historical and fictional context that justifies the usage (sometimes; he's used it in his plenty in his non-historical films too), there's still (reasonable, IMO) controversy over its appropriateness; and let's not pretend as if Tarantino isn't a much more comfortable white dude playing with that term that has no bearing on his existence either. If you listen to Spike Lee, he's being just as "careless," and one could potentially argue even more so since his films are seen by far more people than fleet's poetry is read by. Would be curious if anyone could paraphrase one of fleet's poems that used it. I'd just like to look and judge for myself (or maybe fleet could just repost it). |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Sept 5, 2017 4:48:39 GMT
Dude, go back and read my actual responses in this thread. My first one is HERE. Now please show me where I'm "caring" about the admin's actions against you. My only "adamant" responses occurred once you started accusing people of "thought policing" you, which is ludicrous. The actions taken against you have nothing to do with the content of your poetry, but the sheer amount of it; ie, people feeling that it's spamming the boards. If content was the issue then they'd be requesting you be banned, rather than requesting that all your poems be contained in a single thread. that this is even an issue, in any way shape or form, is completely ludicrous to me as a human being. It should be pretty easy to understand why some people would have a problem with anyone starting dozens of threads that take up a good chunk of the forum space that few read and fewer respond to. |
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2017 4:50:42 GMT
WTF has been going on here? FFS 'free the Fleet' you total morons. Don't like what he posts? Don't read it. Thinks he posts too much? I wasn't aware that there were limits on EVERYONE'S postings? If NOT then it is discriminatory. Private forum? Like when else are we censored for being who we are? and what we believe. It is called discussion board people and in my view poems or posts or whatever the fuck else and means of expression are welcome. Though IF we are going to have exceptions... can we please have a ban on stupid irrelevant conspiracy theory YouTube videos that don't even repreresent the views of anyone here and are just plain naff? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 5, 2017 4:57:05 GMT
No.
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Post by goz on Sept 5, 2017 5:05:35 GMT
Well, in my opinion they are of less value and interest than Stephen's original poems. |
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Post by SciFive on Sept 5, 2017 12:09:53 GMT
Well, I think it was a good idea to stop Fleet from posting new threads.
Looking at the thread list, I see a number of provocative titles with no discussion in them because the Opening Post is a "poem" that doesn't generate any kind of discussion AT ALL, usually.
Flooding the board with provocative titles that don't have discussion possibilities is trolling.
The most typical thing about trolls is that almost everything they write is a new thread.
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2017 15:09:49 GMT
Well, I think it was a good idea to stop Fleet from posting new threads. Looking at the thread list, I see a number of provocative titles with no discussion in them because the Opening Post is a "poem" that doesn't generate any kind of discussion AT ALL, usually. Flooding the board with provocative titles that don't have discussion possibilities is trolling. The most typical thing about trolls is that almost everything they write is a new thread. if a poem leaves the reader speechless, this could be seen as a miracle in the kingdom of the heart. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2017 15:18:43 GMT
WTF has been going on here? FFS 'free the Fleet' you total morons. Don't like what he posts? Don't read it. Thinks he posts too much? I wasn't aware that there were limits on EVERYONE'S postings? If NOT then it is discriminatory. Private forum? Like when else are we censored for being who we are? and what we believe. It is called discussion board people and in my view poems or posts or whatever the fuck else and means of expression are welcome. Though IF we are going to have exceptions... can we please have a ban on stupid irrelevant conspiracy theory YouTube videos that don't even repreresent the views of anyone here and are just plain naff? and the flame wars that have been carried over to this board from the old one are legendary (in those minds who participate in them). gawd the energy used to generate those threads could send trump to the planet pluto! LOL |
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 5, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
this is not a poem
it's hard
expressing myself
outside
the kingdom of the heart.
when
people actually vote to eject hundreds of thousands of human beings
for
nothing more
than skin tone.
or
send drones
over strangers homes
hoping
to cover the bones
from their latest attempt
at
synchronized skimming.
when
pursing happiness
morphed
into
repeated platitudes being used
as door mats.
this is not as poem
or a call
to
the wild roaming.
it is
however
a well thought out warning:
setting a planet on fire
is not
a value to be desired.
sjw 09/05/17 inspired at this very moment in time by the crucibles distinguished in the kingdom of the heart.
from the 'benevolent series' of poems
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Post by SciFive on Sept 5, 2017 15:42:16 GMT
Well, I think it was a good idea to stop Fleet from posting new threads. Looking at the thread list, I see a number of provocative titles with no discussion in them because the Opening Post is a "poem" that doesn't generate any kind of discussion AT ALL, usually. Flooding the board with provocative titles that don't have discussion possibilities is trolling. The most typical thing about trolls is that almost everything they write is a new thread. if a poem leaves the reader speechless, this could be seen as a miracle in the kingdom of the heart. Most people probably don't read them, actually. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2017 15:49:16 GMT
if a poem leaves the reader speechless, this could be seen as a miracle in the kingdom of the heart. Most people probably don't read them, actually. Judging by the poll, many people do. I do and am often left speechless. |
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Post by SciFive on Sept 5, 2017 16:23:59 GMT
Then they don't need their own threads (if there's really nothing to say, and the results of looking at Fleet's threads show that people don't usually say anything).
Put them all in one poem thread and people can be left speechless together without needing to look around for the pointless threads spread all over the place.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Sept 5, 2017 17:06:46 GMT
I'm sure I don't have to explain the difference between an artist portraying a character using a racist term in the context of their reality and some hack plying "spear chicken" in a lower-case botchery of the language that provides no character at all. No such context was offered by fleet. Just a comfy white dude playing about with terms that have no bearing on his comfy existence, and it's hardly been the first time. Beyond that Tarantino works closely with and has input from those who are affected by those terms (see the exchange with Jackson during the making of Django) and has STILL caught heat for his somewhat over the top usage... which makes some Reader's Digest-level nimrod in a forum vacuum that much more evidently at fault in their carelessness. I wasn't trying to suggest an exact equivalency, merely that even in the case of Tarantino where there is--at least superficially--a historical and fictional context that justifies the usage (sometimes; he's used it in his plenty in his non-historical films too), there's still (reasonable, IMO) controversy over its appropriateness; and let's not pretend as if Tarantino isn't a much more comfortable white dude playing with that term that has no bearing on his existence either. If you listen to Spike Lee, he's being just as "careless," and one could potentially argue even more so since his films are seen by far more people than fleet's poetry is read by. Would be curious if anyone could paraphrase one of fleet's poems that used it. I'd just like to look and judge for myself (or maybe fleet could just repost it) Asking someone to recreate a fleet "poem"? Diabolical, sir.  |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Sept 5, 2017 17:09:25 GMT
This being such a foreign concept probably explains a lot of the over-invested rage.
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