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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 0:32:09 GMT
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Many feel she was. She was stepping upon government"s toes and was to marry an Egyptian, which would have embarrassed the Crown.
How would Diana marrying an Egyptian embarrass the Crown?
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 2, 2017 2:41:26 GMT
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This is what the news told us, that Dodi's father Mohamed Fayed was denied an British citizenship (?). If she had married Dodi, there was a huge diamond engagement ring in the mix, she would have born half-siblings to the future King Of England.
Something that The Crown did not want. Remember the Crown Lost Egypt as a colony in 1952 or '53. I do not know what their control of the Suez Canal entailed.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/sep/01/tony-blair-diana-relationship-fayed
There is no doubt a lot of info that is not being shared with the public. So 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 3:02:52 GMT
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This is what the news told us, that Dodi's father Mohamed Fayed was denied an British citizenship (?). If she had married Dodi, there was a huge diamond engagement ring in the mix, she would have born half-siblings to the future King Of England. Yes. So what? I'm not seeing the embarrassing part. Who cares who she married or what country they were from? Who cares what the King's half brother is like? Says who? Her Majesty isn't in the habit of letting me know what she does and doesn't want or what she does and doesn't find embarrassing, and I doubt she tells you either. But I'd imagine recordings of her son telling his girlfriend he wants to be her tampon would probably rank rather higher on the embarrassment scale than her ex daughter in law marring an Egyptian, yet she never killed Charles. Okay, I remember it. Not sure how it helps. America was once a British colony too, do you think the Queen would go around murdering ex family members if they married Americans? And how would the Queen even go about having somebody killed? Does anybody really believe that she can just ring MI-6 up whenever she feels like it and tell them to send a couple of 00 agents to murder people she finds embarrassing? Do you honestly believe that that's how the British government actually works? Not to mention, how would this murder plot play out? The plan was... somehow get her driver drunk and then hope that this a) makes him drive really fast and b) then have a high speed crash? And of course you also need the blind luck that Diana would forget to do her seatbelt up into the bargain. I sure hope our (hypothetical) 00 section can do better than this!
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 2, 2017 3:13:13 GMT
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Quite true. We do not know what went through the Queen's head or Prince Philip's either. Although he frequently used the word WOG to describe Egyptians and Indians. You are aware that The Royal Family is above the law?
There is alot that the public has not been told, as my closing statement states.
Also, you are thinking like a commoner and I assume an American.
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Post by clusium on Sept 2, 2017 3:24:25 GMT
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Quite true. We do not know what went through the Queen's head or Prince Philip's either. Although he frequently used the word WOG to describe Egyptians and Indians. You are aware that The Royal Family is above the law?
There is alot that the public has not been told, as my closing statement states.
Also, you are thinking like a commoner and I assume an American. Yes, Prince Philip used a lot of racist words to describe people. But, that in no way means that he or the Queen had the Mother of their grandchildren murdered. As Graham had already pointed out, it would be far too mathematical for Diana to have been murdered in the way in which they had been killed. Moreover, it is highly unlikely Diana was going to marry Dodi.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 2, 2017 5:11:37 GMT
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Where is your proof that she was not going to marry Dodi?
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Post by clusium on Sept 2, 2017 5:27:40 GMT
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Where is your proof that she was not going to marry Dodi? Diana was actually in a relationship with a heart surgeon named Hasnat Khan, shortly before she began dating Dodi. According to all her friends she was really in love with him, but, his parents were against them getting together. According to Diana's best friend, Rosa Monckton, shortly after Diana started dating Dodi, she asked Diana if she was going to marry him, & Diana replied, "I need another marriage about as much as I need a bad rash on my face." Dodi was actually supposed to get married to somebody else that summer. But, he suddenly broke it off with the woman, to get together with Diana (his father most likely put him up to it).
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 2, 2017 5:34:56 GMT
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Your statements agree with what we were told in the USA. Yes, I know about Dr. Kahn and Diana helped his career immensely. So who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 9:48:51 GMT
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Quite true. We do not know what went through the Queen's head or Prince Philip's either. Although he frequently used the word WOG to describe Egyptians and Indians. You are aware that The Royal Family is above the law? No they aren't. For example Princess Anne was taken to court for speeding in 2001. She pleaded guilty and was fined £400. The following year she was convicted under the Dangerous Dogs Act of 1991 and was fined £500. The Queen specifically is technically above the law - but do you really think that would stand if she was proven to have committed a murder? Do you know what the historical precedent is for a monarch that breaks faith with the British people and acts as though they were above and beyond repercussions? Here's a hint : it involves a civil war and an axe. How would you know this? You assume incorrectly. I am British.
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Post by londonbird on Sept 2, 2017 14:12:12 GMT
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Many feel she was. She was stepping upon government"s toes and was to marry an Egyptian, which would have embarrassed the Crown.
Utter twaddle. She had only been seeing Dodi a month and was becoming pretty bored with the relationship. It would not, however have embarrassed anyone as she was no longer HRH.
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Post by londonbird on Sept 2, 2017 14:14:40 GMT
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Where is your proof that she was not going to marry Dodi? Where is your proof she was? Please don't blather on about a ring, that was Muhammad going off the rails after the deaths.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 2, 2017 18:54:12 GMT
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I never listen to myself, because as I was typing this, a thought said, "He is a Brit".
Take care.
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 2, 2017 20:41:06 GMT
20 years ago I wasn't old enough to know or care who Princess Diana was, much less remember where I was or what I was doing.
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Post by clusium on Sept 2, 2017 21:39:27 GMT
20 years ago I wasn't old enough to know or care who Princess Diana was, much less remember where I was or what I was doing. So your really young, I take it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 2:58:25 GMT
One thing I remember about the whole thing was a week or so later when they had the funeral. I was looking to move at the time, and I'd rang around a few likely places to find a room to rent. I arranged to go see one around noon on the day of the funeral, whenever that was.
I drove into London on the A2, which is a pretty decently big road - and it was almost completely empty. I didn't drive into the centre or anything, only about half way in from the M25, but I saw like three other cars the entire way in.
I gets to the house in plenty of time for the appointment and nobody is in. So I wait for the landlord for a good half hour. Finally I rang him up and asked him when he would be along.
He was completely incredulous. He literally said to me "Don't you know what day it is?!" in the most outraged tone you can imagine, as if the very idea that I'd expect him to turn up was just impossible to believe. I said "Yeah, it's Saturday. We're supposed to be meeting at noon, right?"
He hung up on me.
Needless to say, I didn't end up renting the place.
I found the whole Diana thing to be little more than mildly sad news. She never meant much to me in life - though I did once get an up close if very brief glimpse of her in real life, which made me smile (she went past me in a car). But my reaction was pretty much "Wow, really? That's a real shame." I was way more sad at the death of Robin Williams, or Terry Pratchett, or any number of other famous people that I cared more about.
But that experience brought it home to me that people who never met her and didn't know her at all were actually genuinely upset by her death, as if she had been a family member. I find that kind of weird, to be honest, but it takes all sorts.
Anyway, that's about as close as I get to having an interesting story about Princess Diana.
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 3, 2017 4:18:48 GMT
20 years ago I wasn't old enough to know or care who Princess Diana was, much less remember where I was or what I was doing. So your really young, I take it. It depends on who you ask. Some call me that, while others call me old. Age like everything else is relative.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 3, 2017 4:45:49 GMT
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Post by clusium on Sept 3, 2017 4:49:50 GMT
So your really young, I take it. It depends on who you ask. Some call me that, while others call me old. Age like everything else is relative. Well, if you were too little to know about the death of Princess Diana in a car crash, then you are young.
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Post by londonbird on Sept 3, 2017 8:40:01 GMT
I found the whole Diana thing to be little more than mildly sad news. She never meant much to me in life - though I did once get an up close if very brief glimpse of her in real life, which made me smile (she went past me in a car). But my reaction was pretty much "Wow, really? That's a real shame." I was way more sad at the death of Robin Williams, or Terry Pratchett, or any number of other famous people that I cared more about. But that experience brought it home to me that people who never met her and didn't know her at all were actually genuinely upset by her death, as if she had been a family member. I find that kind of weird, to be honest, but it takes all sorts. Anyway, that's about as close as I get to having an interesting story about Princess Diana. I think one of the reasons people were so upset was they could relate, suddenly we had a royal that was on our level, had problems, had a shitty marriage, all the things commoners have she also wasn't afraid to show her feelings, it made her approachable. But the main reason is her boys, I think people felt for her boys. Suddenly they were going to be enfolded by the big bad wolf and lose any humanity they had...thankfully that didn't happen but that was how people felt at the time.
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Post by progressiveelement on Sept 3, 2017 10:56:38 GMT
Germany
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