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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 5:52:41 GMT
The question isn't do you think it is true.
The question is do you want it all to be true?
You might think the question would be an obvious yes, but there are those who are academics who don't want it to be true. An example would be Thomas Nagel:
I'm leaving the question as open as possible for how you as an individual interpret God and religion. Perhaps just pick the one closest to your culture or the one you are most aware of.
Me, I don't think I'd care for monotheist ones but if it meant all the supernatural stuff gets to exist like souls, astral projection, afterlife, other-worldly entities then I'd be down with it.
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Post by OpiateOfTheMasses on Sept 5, 2017 6:58:03 GMT
To answer the question properly you would first need to say which religion surely? There are many where the "Hell no!" comes instantly but others require a bit more thought....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 7:28:25 GMT
To answer the question properly you would first need to say which religion surely? There are many where the "Hell no!" comes instantly but others require a bit more thought.... I suggested picking the one closest to your culture or however you personally (strongly) interpret the terms. Even if I specified Christianity, there are a gazillion interpretations of it. So the answer is yes or no, followed by why. As said, I left it open as possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 9:11:33 GMT
I would not want the God of Abraham to be true as he is a evil psychopath.
And you don`t need religion. Religion has nothing to do with whether or not God exist. If there is a God he will exist no matter if religion exist or not. Just as if there is not a God he will still not exist whether or not there are religions.
Do i want there to be a God. Sure why not as long as he is nothing like the God of the Old testament
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 5, 2017 9:47:26 GMT
Depends on which religion, and the claim it makes about its chief deity(s) if it has any and the status of man. Because Buddhism, stripped of the mythology and high-falutin' terminology is mostly about mindfulness and positive thinking, the golden rule & etc this is probably the best of those I might want to be 'true'. (I would prefer 'valid'.)
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Post by phludowin on Sept 5, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
To answer the question properly you would first need to say which religion surely? There are many where the "Hell no!" comes instantly but others require a bit more thought.... I suggested picking the one closest to your culture or however you personally (strongly) interpret the terms. Even if I specified Christianity, there are a gazillion interpretations of it. So the answer is yes or no, followed by why. As said, I left it open as possible. There are plenty of deities in human mythologies, and plenty of religions in human societies. Including where I live. I grew up Catholic, am an atheist, and live in a place with plenty of Protestants, Catholics, atheists, and probably Muslims too. So to me the question about whether I wish religion to be true is as meaningless as the question "Do you believe that a quartulowzer is worth more than a tindlewinxer?" and leaving it up to you what these made-up words mean. Generally I want my beliefs to be consistent with perceived reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 11:43:28 GMT
No, I do not want religion to be true. If it were shown tomorrow that there was indeed a god, I would be extremely disappointed. It would destroy a good deal of the wonder of the universe for me and make it a much more inane and pedestrian place.
That's at a minimum. It would be worse if the god in question were some sort of evil entity like Cthulhu, yahweh or allah.
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 5, 2017 11:48:35 GMT
to me the question about whether I wish religion to be true is as meaningless as the question "Do you believe that a quartulowzer is worth more than a tindlewinxer?" and leaving it up to you what these made-up words mean. Far too many people have lost the art of their religion. That is exactly the problem. Among other similar things the tongues-talkers are not being understood. See the advice for them in the Bible. It's words to the effect, "keep that in your church, don't bother outsiders with it." However that does not mean people who can make themselves understood about religion will be the same problem. So do I. What I do not want is anyone trying to enforce an overly simple and pedestrian view on reality. The atheist's view is an extremely pedestrian view. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 5, 2017 12:07:32 GMT
I suspect most people including most who "believe" in a god or at least attend religious services do not "want" there to be a god. Not all of them would say so, or even admit it to themselves.
The reason is that the existence of a god would take control out of their hands. It would be especially difficult to force anything. Having little skill at persuasion, most people want to leave the negotiating table and have someone, perhaps themselves, force their decisions. Government people who have a unique allowance to use force are especially wary of a god and how a god would make their task more difficult. When they want people to eat less salt, they want them to eat less salt because the government says so and not have to persuade in each case why eating too much salt is bad. They can't say "because a god said so" since no god cooperates with such schemes.
There is recently a very serious misunderstanding of government. It is not supposed to force people what to eat. It never was. It is supposed to minimize force. When a person forces you to do anything that is really your own business, not theirs, it is the purpose of the government is to stop that force with a government force. Such a correct purpose for government is actually compatible with the existence of a god. Persuasion becomes the essential "force" in life rather than police weapons.
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Post by captainbryce on Sept 5, 2017 12:49:06 GMT
I have no particular desires towards or against any known religion. Ultimately, I want whatever IS true to be revealed as true.
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Post by clusium on Sept 5, 2017 13:10:43 GMT
No, I do not want religion to be true. If it were shown tomorrow that there was indeed a god, I would be extremely disappointed. It would destroy a good deal of the wonder of the universe for me and make it a much more inane and pedestrian place. That's at a minimum. It would be worse if the god in question were some sort of evil entity like Cthulhu, yahweh or allah. It's amazing just how opposite people's POVs are. Because for me, if it were shown tomorrow that there was indeed, absolutely no God whatsoever, **I** would be extremely disappointed, for the exact reasons you said it would disappoint you to find out that there were: It would destroy a great deal of wonder of the universe. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 5, 2017 13:18:02 GMT
It doesn't really matter.
The goal should always be to find happiness and satisfaction in life.
I believe my faith is real and true, no one has been able to come close to disclaiming or disputing that and my faith has a side benefit of salvation, but that is in no way connected to the person who doesn't think it is.
The worst case scenario for all of us will be death anyway so why not enjoy life?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 5, 2017 13:30:01 GMT
I answered "unsure," because what I'd say is this: I'd love for it to be true, but with a God of my own making, basically. I don't care for the ethics of the standard religions.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 5, 2017 13:30:36 GMT
Depends on which one, certainly not any of the Abrahamic religions (or any with a Hell or genocidal God).
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 5, 2017 13:34:13 GMT
Generally I want my beliefs to be consistent with perceived reality. I actually want my beliefs to be a bunch of fun/attractive/entertaining fantasy stuff, but that's just not how belief works for me. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 5, 2017 13:34:43 GMT
I answered "unsure," because what I'd say is this: I'd love for it to be true, but with a God of my own making, basically. I don't care for the ethics of the standard religions. You already have a god of your own making then. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 5, 2017 13:36:39 GMT
I answered "unsure," because what I'd say is this: I'd love for it to be true, but with a God of my own making, basically. I don't care for the ethics of the standard religions. You already have a god of your own making then. As a fantasy, yeah. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 5, 2017 13:57:42 GMT
You already have a god of your own making then. As a fantasy, yeah. How is it a fantasy if you just want a god that mirrors your own view and standards?
That's the epitome of reality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 14:38:50 GMT
No, I do not want religion to be true. If it were shown tomorrow that there was indeed a god, I would be extremely disappointed. It would destroy a good deal of the wonder of the universe for me and make it a much more inane and pedestrian place. That's at a minimum. It would be worse if the god in question were some sort of evil entity like Cthulhu, yahweh or allah. It's amazing just how opposite people's POVs are. Because for me, if it were shown tomorrow that there was indeed, absolutely no God whatsoever, **I** would be extremely disappointed, for the exact reasons you said it would disappoint you to find out that there were: It would destroy a great deal of wonder of the universe. Indeed, the wonderful variety of the human race is a marvel. I don't understand your point of view, any more than you understand mine. But that's okay, it's just subjective and we can agree to differ.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 14:41:44 GMT
How is it a fantasy if you just want a god that mirrors your own view and standards? How could anybody want anything that wasn't a reflection of their own views and standards? I mean, you'd have to be fundamentally broken to say something like "I believe child murder is wrong, but I really wish that a child murdering god existed."
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