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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 7, 2017 21:20:00 GMT
what problems would those be? it's not like the franchises holding on for dear life. What problems would those be?! Havent you been reading?! Gareth Edwards was ghost directed by another guy on Rogue One... Trank was fired on the Boba Fett movie... Miller and Lord were fired on the Han solo movie... Trevorrow was fired on Star Wars 9... There have been serious issues with 4 out of 6 directors and they're only 2 movies in! If that's not symptomatic of problems I don't know what is!
"problem" makes it sound so serious, maybe terms such as "challenge" or "issue" or "task" would sound less offensive and intense to more sensitive minds. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 0:44:42 GMT
This is actually quite normal for big money making franchises. Marvel Studios has had numerous cases of studio versus director. I'm not saying it's a good thing, necessarily, but it's not unusual really. There are buckets of cash involved so these directors are under a microscope. If one of these movies flops it's a fuck ton of money they lose as a result.💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸 So many of these Disney SW problems have been during production and post-production as well as pre-production. I could be wrong but I think only The Hulk franchise and Spiderman franchise rival that. They don't even make Hulk movies anymore. And Spider-Man has been rebooted twice. Just sayin... Directors who have clashed with Marvel Studios: Jon Faverau, Joss Whedon, Edgar Wright, Kenneth Braughnaut, Patty Jenkins. That's a lot of studio micromanaging. But it's (arguably) worked out mostly good. These are carefully controlled creative endeavors. It's all about mass appeal. Directors will always clash when there are severe restrictions on their projects. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 1:42:06 GMT
Treverow can go "force" himself. He's a bad movie director that sucks at directing movies. Star Wars episode 9 was headed for a trap and just took evasive action.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 8, 2017 3:08:12 GMT
Treverow can go "force" himself. He's a bad movie director that sucks at directing movies. Star Wars episode 9 was headed for a trap and just took evasive action. Well it's not like Treverrow has a large body of work to judge to begin with. And that's exactly part of my point. Why does Kathleen Kennedy keep hiring the wrong director to begin with every time? For instance I knew Lord and Miller was a bad choice from day one and I don't even work in the business. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 3:30:15 GMT
Treverow can go "force" himself. He's a bad movie director that sucks at directing movies. Star Wars episode 9 was headed for a trap and just took evasive action. Well it's not like Treverrow has a large body of work to judge to begin with. And that's exactly part of my point. Why does Kathleen Kennedy keep hiring the wrong director to begin with every time? For instance I knew Lord and Miller was a bad choice from day one and I don't even work in the business. She keeps trying to fit the square LucasFilm peg in the round Disney hole. |
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Post by agentblue on Sept 8, 2017 6:35:52 GMT
Well it's not like Treverrow has a large body of work to judge to begin with. And that's exactly part of my point. Why does Kathleen Kennedy keep hiring the wrong director to begin with every time? For instance I knew Lord and Miller was a bad choice from day one and I don't even work in the business. She keeps trying to fit the square LucasFilm peg in the round Disney hole. Yeah they keep hiring these up and coming directors just to "stay edgy" and not realize that they are not the right fit. Too bad Howard is busy with Han Solo he could be a candidate for this one. |
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 8, 2017 11:12:39 GMT
what problems would those be? it's not like the franchises holding on for dear life. The franchise is succeeding despite Kathleen Kennedy. There's never been so many creative differences and production problems and changes on a movie franchise! (4 out of 5 movies and only 2 have been released so far). If this wasn't Star Wars you have to wonder if "the damage wouldn't have already been done by now". This is a rather baseless comment. |
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 8, 2017 12:29:11 GMT
what problems would those be? it's not like the franchises holding on for dear life. What problems would those be?! Havent you been reading?! Gareth Edwards was ghost directed by another guy on Rogue One... Trank was fired on the Boba Fett movie... Miller and Lord were fired on the Han solo movie... Trevorrow was fired on Star Wars 9... There have been serious issues with 4 out of 6 directors and they're only 2 movies in! If that's not symptomatic of problems I don't know what is!
Both of the newly released movies were a success critically and financially. The prequels can't even say that. These "problems" are really hindering the franchise, eh? The franchise in it's best shape since the original trilogy. You seem to be operating under the assumption that all these decisions are bad. That Kennedy (it's not just her btw, Kasdan is also a major player) is always wrong. Trank is garbage, I am glad he was fired and you should be too. And as much as I liked 21, 22 Jump Street, and The Lego Movie, those guys were an awful choice. You're just scapegoating. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 8, 2017 13:02:32 GMT
What problems would those be?! Havent you been reading?! Gareth Edwards was ghost directed by another guy on Rogue One... Trank was fired on the Boba Fett movie... Miller and Lord were fired on the Han solo movie... Trevorrow was fired on Star Wars 9... There have been serious issues with 4 out of 6 directors and they're only 2 movies in! If that's not symptomatic of problems I don't know what is!
Both of the newly released movies were a success critically and financially. The prequels can't even say that. These "problems" are really hindering the franchise, eh? The franchise in it's best shape since the original trilogy. You seem to be operating under the assumption that all these decisions are bad. That Kennedy (it's not just her btw, Kasdan is also a major player) is always wrong. Trank is garbage, I am glad he was fired and you should be too. And as much as I liked 21, 22 Jump Street, and The Lego Movie, those guys were an awful choice. You're just scapegoating. How is it scapegoating when you just admitted that most of Kennedy's initial choices for directors are bad choices? |
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 8, 2017 13:05:39 GMT
Both of the newly released movies were a success critically and financially. The prequels can't even say that. These "problems" are really hindering the franchise, eh? The franchise in it's best shape since the original trilogy. You seem to be operating under the assumption that all these decisions are bad. That Kennedy (it's not just her btw, Kasdan is also a major player) is always wrong. Trank is garbage, I am glad he was fired and you should be too. And as much as I liked 21, 22 Jump Street, and The Lego Movie, those guys were an awful choice. You're just scapegoating. How is it scapegoating when you just admitted that most of Kennedy's initial choices for directors are bad choices? |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 8, 2017 13:26:26 GMT
What problems would those be?! Havent you been reading?! Gareth Edwards was ghost directed by another guy on Rogue One... Trank was fired on the Boba Fett movie... Miller and Lord were fired on the Han solo movie... Trevorrow was fired on Star Wars 9... There have been serious issues with 4 out of 6 directors and they're only 2 movies in! If that's not symptomatic of problems I don't know what is!
Both of the newly released movies were a success critically and financially. The prequels can't even say that.These "problems" are really hindering the franchise, eh? The franchise in it's best shape since the original trilogy. You seem to be operating under the assumption that all these decisions are bad. That Kennedy (it's not just her btw, Kasdan is also a major player) is always wrong. Trank is garbage, I am glad he was fired and you should be too. And as much as I liked 21, 22 Jump Street, and The Lego Movie, those guys were an awful choice. You're just scapegoating. I already know you consider the prequels full of production problems. But the prequels were a huge success financially! They were on the top 10 all time box office list at the times of their releases. And they had modest critic success. (If you go back and research you will see that is true. Much of the critic commentary that painted the prequels as being universally awful or damaging to the franchise came after the Plinkett reviews). So you're somewhat contradicting yourself by even bringing up the prequels. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 8, 2017 14:05:34 GMT
How is it scapegoating when you just admitted that most of Kennedy's initial choices for directors are bad choices?I can see my point is going right over your head. So let's try this again. In addition to firing the initial directors on episode 9 and the Boba Fett movie, Kay Kay's fired 2 more directors (actually 3 more on 2 films). Those directors being fired during production. On Rogue One, Gareth Edwards was essentially fired post-production. There were massive reshoots! Almost 40% of the movie which is far beyond the norm. The Han Solo movie's initial directors were fired when a whopping 80% of the movie was already completed! Massive reshoots are underway on that right now (with Ron Howard who should've been hired in the first place). Now answer me this question: If a leading automaker had built a reputation for constantly having recalls, none of which had created a major scandal... yet... would you consider it scapegoating if it drew criticism or concerns? |
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 8, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
Both of the newly released movies were a success critically and financially. The prequels can't even say that.These "problems" are really hindering the franchise, eh? The franchise in it's best shape since the original trilogy. You seem to be operating under the assumption that all these decisions are bad. That Kennedy (it's not just her btw, Kasdan is also a major player) is always wrong. Trank is garbage, I am glad he was fired and you should be too. And as much as I liked 21, 22 Jump Street, and The Lego Movie, those guys were an awful choice. You're just scapegoating. I already know you consider the prequels full of production problems. But the prequels were a huge success financially! They were on the top 10 all time box office list at the times of their releases. And they had modest critic success. (If you go back and research you will see that is true. Much of the critic commentary that painted the prequels as being universally awful or damaging to the franchise came after the Plinkett reviews). So you're somewhat contradicting yourself by even bringing up the prequels. TFA and Rogue One were successful both financially and critically. Bahahahahahahahahaha. What a load of shit. The first two movies were criticized from the get-go. The one where people change their mind years later was episode three. This is why nobody takes you prequel fans seriously. |
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Post by ryboto on Sept 8, 2017 17:02:22 GMT
I already know you consider the prequels full of production problems. But the prequels were a huge success financially! They were on the top 10 all time box office list at the times of their releases. And they had modest critic success. (If you go back and research you will see that is true. Much of the critic commentary that painted the prequels as being universally awful or damaging to the franchise came after the Plinkett reviews). So you're somewhat contradicting yourself by even bringing up the prequels. TFA and Rogue One were successful both financially and critically. Bahahahahahahahahaha. What a load of shit. The first two movies were criticized from the get-go. The one where people change their mind years later was episode three. This is why nobody takes you prequel fans seriously. I think you're remembering it incorrectly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:07:28 GMT
She keeps trying to fit the square LucasFilm peg in the round Disney hole. Yeah they keep hiring these up and coming directors just to "stay edgy" and not realize that they are not the right fit. Too bad Howard is busy with Han Solo he could be a candidate for this one. This is a current trend in Hollywood- to get brand new directors, with one barely over the radar hit under their belt, to direct major tent pole movies. I don't understand it. Maybe it's because they're easier to control? |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 8, 2017 17:09:12 GMT
Yeah they keep hiring these up and coming directors Maybe it's because they're easier to control? And ( a lot ) cheaper to pay. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:11:17 GMT
I already know you consider the prequels full of production problems. But the prequels were a huge success financially! They were on the top 10 all time box office list at the times of their releases. And they had modest critic success. (If you go back and research you will see that is true. Much of the critic commentary that painted the prequels as being universally awful or damaging to the franchise came after the Plinkett reviews). So you're somewhat contradicting yourself by even bringing up the prequels. TFA and Rogue One were successful both financially and critically. Bahahahahahahahahaha. What a load of shit. The first two movies were criticized from the get-go. The one where people change their mind years later was episode three. This is why nobody takes you prequel fans seriously. Ah, the old prequel versus sequel debate. I got some hard truth for you guys: its the original trilogy that will be celebrated for decades as a cinematic gem. Both the prequels and sequels (and the anthology movies) will be afterthoughts. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:12:25 GMT
Maybe it's because they're easier to control? And ( a lot ) cheaper to pay. Great point, Mr. Ack! Very true. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:16:54 GMT
Treverow can go "force" himself. He's a bad movie director that sucks at directing movies. Star Wars episode 9 was headed for a trap and just took evasive action. Well it's not like Treverrow has a large body of work to judge to begin with. And that's exactly part of my point. Why does Kathleen Kennedy keep hiring the wrong director to begin with every time? For instance I knew Lord and Miller was a bad choice from day one and I don't even work in the business. I agree. I know there's quite a bit of turmoil and poor management going on. I'm just extremely happy Treverow is gone because I did not want to see him do to Star Wars what he did to Jurassic Park. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 8, 2017 17:42:59 GMT
I already know you consider the prequels full of production problems. But the prequels were a huge success financially! They were on the top 10 all time box office list at the times of their releases. And they had modest critic success. (If you go back and research you will see that is true. Much of the critic commentary that painted the prequels as being universally awful or damaging to the franchise came after the Plinkett reviews). So you're somewhat contradicting yourself by even bringing up the prequels. TFA and Rogue One were successful both financially and critically. Bahahahahahahahahaha. What a load of shit. The first two movies were criticized from the get-go. The one where people change their mind years later was episode three. This is why nobody takes you prequel fans seriously. look who is trolling now. Just a little input to put things into perspective: Famous art critic Camille Paglia in her book Glittering Images calls George Lucas’ final Star Wars film the greatest work of art of the past 30 years. Look it up. On the leading SW site the "Jedi Counsil"-Forums (having thousands and thousands of posts in all languages every day...and of which you were brutally ousted with an ass kick if I remember correctly lollollol) Sith has just been elected best Star Wars. Lucas beat JJ Abrams multiple times in the popular vote who is to direct Ep9 now.... But Kuato, we do not begrudge you your little fanfic rehash, it's fine enough for you, old boy. Enjoy. To each his own.  |
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