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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 8, 2017 22:11:31 GMT
It's about to get 70 in it's first weekend in China, and it's a summer film. It's blow by WW's total, and worldwide is all that really matters, so I don't know why you're placing emphasis on the domestic. My comment about Ohio was specifically to highlight that breaking it down to a smaller component and acting like that small component has more value, is just silly. Given that studios are said to gain a greater percentage of a film's domestic earnings compared to overseas, I d say that no, worldwide isn't all that matters. That's not to say it doesn't matter at all, but there's a reason people tend to pay more attention to the domestic numbers. It's all that matters to how much interest the film has garnered, and Homecoming is about to fly past WW this weekend. I'm honestly not interested in debating which markets studios get a larger cut from. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 8, 2017 22:13:01 GMT
Given that studios are said to gain a greater percentage of a film's domestic earnings compared to overseas, I d say that no, worldwide isn't all that matters. That's not to say it doesn't matter at all, but there's a reason people tend to pay more attention to the domestic numbers. It's all that matters to how much interest the film has garnered, and Homecoming is about to fly past WW this weekend. I'm honestly not interested in debating which markets studios get a larger cut from. In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 9, 2017 2:42:37 GMT
It's all that matters to how much interest the film has garnered, and Homecoming is about to fly past WW this weekend. I'm honestly not interested in debating which markets studios get a larger cut from. In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. Did you get why I said to focus on Ohio? It's because you're doing this break it down into a small chunk you can point to thing, and I don't know why. You would realize how irrelevant what you're saying is if you just pulled data from Ohio only right? I don't care if WW has Spiderman and Guardians beat in North America just like I don't care who's winning in Ohio, because it doesn't matter overall. Understand?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 2:48:12 GMT
It's all that matters to how much interest the film has garnered, and Homecoming is about to fly past WW this weekend. I'm honestly not interested in debating which markets studios get a larger cut from. In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. Ooh, WW beat Homecoming and Guardians 2 in 1 country out of 195, but it seems its getting its ass kicked in the other 194. BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG victory!  |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2017 3:31:41 GMT
In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. Did you get why I said to focus on Ohio? It's because you're doing this break it down into a small chunk you can point to thing, and I don't know why. You would realize how irrelevant what you're saying is if you just pulled data from Ohio only right? I don't care if WW has Spiderman and Guardians beat in North America just like I don't care who's winning in Ohio, because it doesn't matter overall. Understand?
That's an odd comparison. Box office numbers aren't measured by states. The domestic revenue for a Hollywood film encompasses its gross in all of the U.S, which is the primary market for these films, despite the growing influence of the Chinese market. That's why WW making more in America than GotG 2 and SMH is notable. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 9, 2017 3:33:14 GMT
Did you get why I said to focus on Ohio? It's because you're doing this break it down into a small chunk you can point to thing, and I don't know why. You would realize how irrelevant what you're saying is if you just pulled data from Ohio only right? I don't care if WW has Spiderman and Guardians beat in North America just like I don't care who's winning in Ohio, because it doesn't matter overall. Understand?
That's an odd comparison. Box office numbers aren't measured by states. The domestic revenue for a Hollywood film encompasses its gross in all of North America, which is the primary market for these films, despite the growing influence of the Chinese market. That's why WW making more in NA than GotG 2 and SMH is notable. I don't know much clearer I can be. The total is what's important. Pointing to one country isn't.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2017 3:34:32 GMT
In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. Ooh, WW beat Homecoming and Guardians 2 in 1 country out of 195, but it seems its getting its ass kicked in the other 194. BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG victory! Just for the record, WW also made more money in Australia and Colombia compared to GotG 2. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2017 3:36:15 GMT
That's an odd comparison. Box office numbers aren't measured by states. The domestic revenue for a Hollywood film encompasses its gross in all of North America, which is the primary market for these films, despite the growing influence of the Chinese market. That's why WW making more in NA than GotG 2 and SMH is notable. I don't know much clearer I can be. The total is what's important. Pointing to one country isn't.
Again, I never said that the total worldwide gross isn't important. The thing is, the domestic gross is also pretty important on its own. If a movie flops domestically but does well overseas, it has a smaller chance of getting a sequel than a movie that does well domestically, but not well overseas. That's why when box office numbers are analyzed, people tend to look at the domestic gross first. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 9, 2017 3:40:47 GMT
I don't know much clearer I can be. The total is what's important. Pointing to one country isn't.
Again, I never said that the total worldwide gross isn't important. The thing is, the domestic gross is also pretty important on its own. If a movie flops domestically but does well overseas, it has a smaller chance of getting a sequel than a movie that does well domestically, but not well overseas. That's why when box office numbers are analyzed, people tend to look at the domestic gross first. ok. Just as long as you're aware that overall Homecoming is about to fly past WW and head toward 900, that's all I'm saying. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 3:42:06 GMT
Ooh, WW beat Homecoming and Guardians 2 in 1 country out of 195, but it seems its getting its ass kicked in the other 194. BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG victory! Just for the record, WW also made more money in Australia and Colombia compared to GotG 2. And yet Guardians 2 remains in the lead. There will be a Guardians Vol. 3, too. So there is no victory for you or your fellow Snyderites who want to see the MCU fail. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2017 3:51:29 GMT
Just for the record, WW also made more money in Australia and Colombia compared to GotG 2. And yet Guardians 2 remains in the lead. There will be a Guardians Vol. 3, too. So there is no victory for you or your fellow Snyderites who want to see the MCU fail. When did I say I want the MCU to fail? Who said anything about Snyder? I swear, you come up with some really ridiculous ideas sometimes. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 9, 2017 3:56:09 GMT
Again, I never said that the total worldwide gross isn't important. The thing is, the domestic gross is also pretty important on its own. If a movie flops domestically but does well overseas, it has a smaller chance of getting a sequel than a movie that does well domestically, but not well overseas. That's why when box office numbers are analyzed, people tend to look at the domestic gross first. ok. Just as long as you're aware that overall Homecoming is about to fly past WW and head toward 900, that's all I'm saying. I'm aware. I started to figure that would happen a few weeks ago. That's not exactly surprising though, given that Spider-Man is already a well established property overseas, and is one of the only superheroes who's actually fairly popular in places like Japan. Anyway, good for Homecoming. It's a solid movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 4:20:15 GMT
And yet Guardians 2 remains in the lead. There will be a Guardians Vol. 3, too. So there is no victory for you or your fellow Snyderites who want to see the MCU fail. When did I say I want the MCU to fail? Who said anything about Snyder? I swear, you come up with some really ridiculous ideas sometimes. That's typically where these arguments go, especially from users with DC-themed avatars. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 10, 2017 17:11:15 GMT
How is $700m+ with only 3 films failing? Disney averaged around $235-240m per film compared to WB's $130m per film, all 3 Disney films were part of the 10 highest grossing movies domestically of the summer, where as WB only has 3 of their 6 in the top 25, if you take the top 3 WB films and compare their take to Disney's 3 films Disney wins, WB's victory for the summer comes at a cost of around $120m or more due to Arthur & The House bombing.
Also domestic doesn't mean dick it's overall global box office that matters.
Don't studios gain a greater percentage of a film's domestic box office compared to the foreign box office numbers? Isn't that why The Mummy is considered a disappointment despite making over $400 million? WW seems to have had a better ROI than GotG 2. That's correct. Domestic numbers are more important than worldwide numbers because studios keep a larger percentage of domestic box office than worldwide box office.
And yes, WW is more successful than GotG2. WW not only did better than GotG2 at the domestic box office but WW also cost $51 million less to make than GotG 2.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 10, 2017 17:14:54 GMT
Except Spiderman is about to fly past Wonder Woman, and Guardians is well past it, among other things, so they got it wrong.
Oh domestic? Well geee which one did better in Ohio. Let's do an article about that and pretend that it matters.
Summer ends in 2 more weeks. It is doubtful that Spiderman: Homecoming can make $75 million in two more weeks seeing that last weekend it only made a little over $4 million and the film's box office has been steadily dropping at a more than 30% per week pace. It will only make $5 million (domestic) in the next two weekends and probably end up with a domestic gross of $335 million. The world wide box office might be a different story, though. That's correct. WW is already over $410 million at the domestic box office. SMH has no chance of coming close to that. Moreover, WW cost $26 million less to make than SMH. So WW is more successful than SMH. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 10, 2017 17:17:29 GMT
I don't know much clearer I can be. The total is what's important. Pointing to one country isn't.
Again, I never said that the total worldwide gross isn't important. The thing is, the domestic gross is also pretty important on its own. If a movie flops domestically but does well overseas, it has a smaller chance of getting a sequel than a movie that does well domestically, but not well overseas. That's why when box office numbers are analyzed, people tend to look at the domestic gross first. ArArArchStanton just got owned! |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 10, 2017 17:20:03 GMT
Just for the record, WW also made more money in Australia and Colombia compared to GotG 2. And yet Guardians 2 remains in the lead. There will be a Guardians Vol. 3, too. So there is no victory for you or your fellow Snyderites who want to see the MCU fail. Not really. WW has already been passed GotG2 at the domestic box office, which is the most important numbers. Now if you want to bring in worldwide box office, GotG2's lead has already dropped to $47 million and that number will continue to drop, but WW cost $51 million less to make than GotG2 and that $51 million number won't drop. So even if you include worldwide box office, WW is already more successful than GotG2. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 11, 2017 8:59:09 GMT
Agreed. Moving on.
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Post by sostie on Sept 11, 2017 21:21:12 GMT
It's all that matters to how much interest the film has garnered, and Homecoming is about to fly past WW this weekend. I'm honestly not interested in debating which markets studios get a larger cut from. In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. N America is VERY important figure wise for Wonder Woman..it seems to have resonated in only a few countries the way it has domestically Country/position in annual list so far/position in summer films/position in 2017 CBM movies Argentina 20 10 4 Australia 3 2 1 Belgium 26 11 4 Bolivia 8 4 3 Brazil 4 2 1 Bulgaria 23 10 5 China 18 8 3 (though could well be 4 soon as SMU has earned $20 less than WW total after one weekend) Colombia 3 2 1 Czech Rep 24 12 4 Finland 20 7 5 France 17 7 4 Germany 21 9 5 Greece 10 4 3 Hungary 19 10 5 Iceland 9 5 3 Italy 26 9 4 Japan 36 15 5 (this is after only 2 weeks, but is way off SMH and Doctor Strange totals) Lithuania 27 13 6 Mexico 7 4 2 Netherlands 13 6 3 New Zealand 5 3 2 Norway 10 5 2 Philippines 2 1 1 Poland 36 17 7 Portugal 20 11 3 Romania 10 4 2 Russia 27 12 6 Slovakia 24 9 5 Slovenia 22 11 6 S Africa 10 6 3 S Korea 23 11 4 Spain 15 7 3 Switzerland 11 4 2 Taiwan 2 1 1 Thailand 7 4 3 Turkey 26 9 3 Ukraine 25 13 6 UK 12 4 5 Uraguay 22 11 3 USA 2 1 1 I can understand why there is focus on the domestic figures...not only are they very respectable, but the overseas figures seem to show that it was neither as popular around most of the world as a film, a Summer film or a CBM (it only beat SMH in 8 of the countries listed). Of the Top 20 Worldwide grossing fims it has the highest percentage made domestically. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 12, 2017 0:06:09 GMT
In terms of how much interest the films have garnered in North America, WW has Spider-Man and Guardians beat. As far as overseas is concerned, Wonder Woman was always at a disadvtantage compared to Spider-Man, who's had 5 films in the sat. N America is VERY important figure wise for Wonder Woman..it seems to have resonated in only a few countries the way it has domestically Country/position in annual list so far/position in summer films/position in 2017 CBM movies Argentina 20 10 4 Australia 3 2 1 Belgium 26 11 4 Bolivia 8 4 3 Brazil 4 2 1 Bulgaria 23 10 5 China 18 8 3 (though could well be 4 soon as SMU has earned $20 less than WW total after one weekend) Colombia 3 2 1 Czech Rep 24 12 4 Finland 20 7 5 France 17 7 4 Germany 21 9 5 Greece 10 4 3 Hungary 19 10 5 Iceland 9 5 3 Italy 26 9 4 Japan 36 15 5 (this is after only 2 weeks, but is way off SMH and Doctor Strange totals) Lithuania 27 13 6 Mexico 7 4 2 Netherlands 13 6 3 New Zealand 5 3 2 Norway 10 5 2 Philippines 2 1 1 Poland 36 17 7 Portugal 20 11 3 Romania 10 4 2 Russia 27 12 6 Slovakia 24 9 5 Slovenia 22 11 6 S Africa 10 6 3 S Korea 23 11 4 Spain 15 7 3 Switzerland 11 4 2 Taiwan 2 1 1 Thailand 7 4 3 Turkey 26 9 3 Ukraine 25 13 6 UK 12 4 5 Uraguay 22 11 3 USA 2 1 1 I can understand why there is focus on the domestic figures...not only are they very respectable, but the overseas figures seem to show that it was neither as popular around most of the world as a film, a Summer film or a CBM (it only beat SMH in 8 of the countries listed). Of the Top 20 Worldwide grossing fims it has the highest percentage made domestically. Pretty sure TDK and the original Star Wars film (though that one's counting re-releases) have a higher percentage of money made domestically compared to internationally. Regardless, WW was the character's first film, which means that there is plenty of room for growth with the sequel. The first Iron Man film didn't particularly wow the international box office either. |
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