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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:06:33 GMT
As I used to say on the original Internet Movie Database, they could have started the DC cinematic universe with Batman Begins had someone with the vision, pull, and charisma to get everyone on board been working at WB back then. Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe.We might have actually seen what Joseph Gordon Levitt's superhero career would have been like with Bruce serving as mission control ala Batman Beyond.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 6, 2017 22:12:58 GMT
Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe.We might have actually seen what Joseph Gordon Levitt's superhero career would have been like with Bruce serving as mission control ala Batman Beyond.Haha, check out these old posts of mine! You'll love them! Jun 7, 2017 at 3:03pm I will never understand why WB did not continue "The Dark Knight" series. And then, why not go ahead and use it to launch the DCEU? Hell, they could have made essentially the same movies: The Dark Knight v Superman (2014) Batman (Christian Bale) comes out of retirement, when he believes a super powered alien (Henry Cavill) to be a threat to humanity, enlisting Nightwing (Joseph Gordon Levitt) to help investigate Lex Luthor (Joaquin Phoenix). The Dark Knight: Justice League (2016) Batman (Christian Bale) and Nightwing (Joseph Gordon Levitt) seek out metahumans Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) and Aquaman (Jason Momoa), to help defend the Earth from Steppenwolf (Cirian Hinds), with the help of a resurrected Superman (Henry Cavill). Justice League: The Darkseid War (2018) Batman (Christian Bale) Nightwing (Joseph Gordon Levitt) Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) Aquaman (Jason Momoa) and Superman (Henry Cavill) are joined by Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds) in an epic battle with Darkseid (Idris Elba). Jun 7, 2017 at 4:54pm Spinoffs for the "Dark Knight Universe": Nightwing (2013) John Blake (Joseph Gordon Levitt) battles Deathstroke (Joe Manganiello) Aquaman (2015) Arthur Curry (Jason Momoa) fights Black Manta (Yahya Abdul-Mateen II) Wonder Woman (2017) Diana Prince (Gal Gadot) takes on Cheetah (Morena Baccarin) Green Lantern 2 (2019) Hal Jordan (Ryan Reynolds) clashes with Sinestro (Mark Strong) Jun 7, 2017 at 5:04pm The full "DKU" slate: Batman Begins (2005) The Dark Knight (2008) Green Lantern (2011) The Dark Knight Rises (2012) Nightwing (2013) The Dark Knight v Superman (2014) Aquaman (2015) The Dark Knight: Justice League (2016) Wonder Woman (2017) Justice League: The Darkseid War (2018) Green Lantern 2 (2019) Justice League v Avengers (2020) *wink*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:22:03 GMT
It is odd. You'd think it would've been done ten years ago. But I don't think it would have the same impact without a "phase one" build up of stand alone introductions. Of course, you could argue (and for the record I do) that they haven't really done that here. I find it even stranger that there was an Electra movie and a Catwoman movie before a WW movie. Chock it up to the idiocy of studio execs. They haven't. As I just got down telling Scabab, they've had the same number of years and almost same number of films between MoS and JL as the first Ironman and first Avengers, but with none of the set up. The only characters to get proper dues so far are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, and only two of them have had their own films. As I used to say on the original Internet Movie Database, they could have started the DC cinematic universe with Batman Begins had someone with the vision, pull, and charisma to get everyone on board been working at WB back then. My opinion is that they made 3 big mistakes: 1) TDK trilogy's Batman should've been used for the JL movies. Bale absolutely should've been brought back. You have a fantastic popular Batman and you cast him aside for a new canon? Stupid mistake. Some will say that TDK trilogy didn't have the right tone for a shared universe, but so what? The solo movies can have a different feel. Iron Man and Thor have vastly different tones. Diversity in your shared universe is good. 2) No MoS sequel. Now, I could just cite MoS as a mistake but as much as I personally disliked it I gotta give them credit for trying to deliver. But they should've realized that they created a very polarizing Superman and corrected it by making a sequel that pleased more of the fan base. Instead they doubled down on him. 3) Too few solo movies. Trying to rush everything in BvS was a disaster. WW proves that delivering solid solo introductions is the way to go. Imagine if they had Aquaman, Flash and GL movies as popular as WW. JL would have so much more hype and anticipation from fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:26:04 GMT
As I used to say on the original Internet Movie Database, they could have started the DC cinematic universe with Batman Begins had someone with the vision, pull, and charisma to get everyone on board been working at WB back then. Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe.I agree, Mr Ackbar Bale's Batman should've been to the JL saga what RDJ is to the MCU and what Hugh J was to the X Men.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:30:14 GMT
We might have actually seen what Joseph Gordon Levitt's superhero career would have been like with Bruce serving as mission control ala Batman Beyond.Haha, check out these old posts of mine! You'll love them! Jun 7, 2017 at 3:03pm I will never understand why WB did not continue "The Dark Knight" series. And then, why not go ahead and use it to launch the DCEU? Hell, they could have made essentially the same movies: The Dark Knight v Superman (2014) Batman (Christian Bale) comes out of retirement, when he believes a super powered alien (Henry Cavill) to be a threat to humanity, enlisting Nightwing (Joseph Gordon Levitt) to help investigate Lex Luthor (Joaquin Phoenix). The Dark Knight: Justice League (2016) Batman (Christian Bale) and Nightwing (Joseph Gordon Levitt) seek out metahumans Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) and Aquaman (Jason Momoa), to help defend the Earth from Steppenwolf (Cirian Hinds), with the help of a resurrected Superman (Henry Cavill). Justice League: The Darkseid War (2018) Batman (Christian Bale) Nightwing (Joseph Gordon Levitt) Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot) Aquaman (Jason Momoa) and Superman (Henry Cavill) are joined by Green Lantern (Ryan Reynolds) in an epic battle with Darkseid (Idris Elba). Jun 7, 2017 at 4:54pm Spinoffs for the "Dark Knight Universe": Nightwing (2013) John Blake (Joseph Gordon Levitt) battles Deathstroke (Joe Manganiello) Aquaman (2015) Arthur Curry (Jason Momoa) fights Black Manta (Yahya Abdul-Mateen II) Wonder Woman (2017) Diana Prince (Gal Gadot) takes on Cheetah (Morena Baccarin) Green Lantern 2 (2019) Hal Jordan (Ryan Reynolds) clashes with Sinestro (Mark Strong) Jun 7, 2017 at 5:04pm The full "DKU" slate: Batman Begins (2005) The Dark Knight (2008) Green Lantern (2011) The Dark Knight Rises (2012) Nightwing (2013) The Dark Knight v Superman (2014) Aquaman (2015) The Dark Knight: Justice League (2016) Wonder Woman (2017) Justice League: The Darkseid War (2018) Green Lantern 2 (2019) Justice League v Avengers (2020) *wink* Nice. Very nice. Thank you for sharing. It would have worked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 22:32:21 GMT
They haven't. As I just got down telling Scabab, they've had the same number of years and almost same number of films between MoS and JL as the first Ironman and first Avengers, but with none of the set up. The only characters to get proper dues so far are Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, and only two of them have had their own films. As I used to say on the original Internet Movie Database, they could have started the DC cinematic universe with Batman Begins had someone with the vision, pull, and charisma to get everyone on board been working at WB back then. My opinion is that they made 3 big mistakes: 1) TDK trilogy's Batman should've been used for the JL movies. Bale absolutely should've been brought back. You have a fantastic popular Batman and you cast him aside for a new canon? Stupid mistake. Some will say that TDK trilogy didn't have the right tone for a shared universe, but so what? The solo movies can have a different feel. Iron Man and Thor have vastly different tones. Diversity in your shared universe is good. 2) No MoS sequel. Now, I could just cite MoS as a mistake but as much as I personally disliked it I gotta give them credit for trying to deliver. But they should've realized that they created a very polarizing Superman and corrected it by making a sequel that pleased more of the fan base. Instead they doubled down on him. 3) Too few solo movies. Trying to rush everything in BvS was a disaster. WW proves that delivering solid solo introductions is the way to go. Imagine if they had Aquaman, Flash and GL movies as popular as WW. JL would have so much more hype and anticipation from fans. 1) Yes. Yes, absolutely. Although ideally the DCEU would have started as soon as Begins was over and the Superman film which followed after it would have been both better than Returns and been in the same universe as The Dark Knight trilogy. 2) This would work. We were promised they'd start developing him towards being the more traditional Superman, anyway, and then... they didn't. 3) This. Absolutely.
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Post by scabab on Sept 6, 2017 23:13:22 GMT
Keaton and Reeve were actually in the same movie, even shared the same scene. I had no idea such a thing existed until recently.
Reeve was getting a bit old for the role by Superman 4 as it was so he probably couldn't have done it with Keaton anyway.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 6, 2017 23:29:09 GMT
Oh well. C'est la vie.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 7, 2017 0:00:34 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 7, 2017 1:49:25 GMT
Hell, Justice League has been like the Beatles in reverse. We started with solo careers/universes, went to John and Paul hating each other (BvS), now we have a fake death (Superman/"Paul is dead" conspiracy), everyone realizing an underutilized member rocks (Wonder Woman/George), and NOW finally the group all together.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 7, 2017 2:09:13 GMT
As I used to say on the original Internet Movie Database, they could have started the DC cinematic universe with Batman Begins had someone with the vision, pull, and charisma to get everyone on board been working at WB back then. Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe.Didn't they offer Bale like $50 million to do BvS? I think he just didn't want to. Speaking of aborted shared universe attempts, I think the Nic Cage Superman from the 90s was supposed to start one. Kevin Smith wrote in a Batman cameo, and Steel with Shaq was originally supposed to tie into it before it got scrapped.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 7, 2017 10:39:45 GMT
Hell, we got a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, a Doctor Strange movie, and even a freakin Ant-Man movie before a Wonder Woman movie and a Flash movie. Problem is WB were not willing to take risks of bringing DC characters to the big screen that weren't Batman or Superman. Do you think Fox would take a risk on the Marvel characters I just mentioned? Fuck no, they're busy fucking up the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Dude not only that, but we got a fucking ELEKTRA movie BEFORE FUCKING WONDER WOMAN! Wonder Woman! Who's not only one of the biggest superheroine names out there, but also part of the DC Trinity! And we only just got a live action film this year! Where was her movie 20 or 30 years ago?
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Sept 7, 2017 11:01:54 GMT
i'm a little shocked that you (specifically @weirdraptor ) started with a Beatles/Stones analogy ended up comparing the MCU to the Monkees.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 19:52:36 GMT
i'm a little shocked that you (specifically @weirdraptor ) started with a Beatles/Stones analogy ended up comparing the MCU to the Monkees. That's because the MCU and Monkees both have/had this attitude that "We're gonna be us and we're going to have fun doing it, and we're gonna take the piss out of ourselves and the business that spawned us along the way."
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 7, 2017 21:21:15 GMT
Hell, we got a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, a Doctor Strange movie, and even a freakin Ant-Man movie before a Wonder Woman movie and a Flash movie. Problem is WB were not willing to take risks of bringing DC characters to the big screen that weren't Batman or Superman. Do you think Fox would take a risk on the Marvel characters I just mentioned? Fuck no, they're busy fucking up the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Dude not only that, but we got a fucking ELEKTRA movie BEFORE FUCKING WONDER WOMAN! Wonder Woman! Who's not only one of the biggest superheroine names out there, but also part of the DC Trinity! And we only just got a live action film this year! Where was her movie 20 or 30 years ago? Shh, let's all forget about that Elektra movie. The less said, the better on that piece of shit.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 8, 2017 14:12:17 GMT
As I used to say on the original Internet Movie Database, they could have started the DC cinematic universe with Batman Begins had someone with the vision, pull, and charisma to get everyone on board been working at WB back then. Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe. Wasn't that the condition that Nolan and Bale had? No other DC tie-ins. I know we're talking about studio execs here so agreements be damned, but I remember hearing that.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 8, 2017 16:58:23 GMT
Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe. Wasn't that the condition that Nolan and Bale had? No other DC tie-ins. I know we're talking about studio execs here so agreements be damned, but I remember hearing that. I don't know that answer to that. I don't even know if the "50 million" offer to Bale was true. I suspect that it wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:19:22 GMT
Hell, Justice League has been like the Beatles in reverse. We started with solo careers/universes, went to John and Paul hating each other (BvS), now we have a fake death (Superman/"Paul is dead" conspiracy), everyone realizing an underutilized member rocks (Wonder Woman/George), and NOW finally the group all together. That's a great analogy!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 17:25:39 GMT
Agreed! I have stated many times how shocked I was that they didn't keep the Dark Knight series going, and have it lead in to a DC Universe. Wasn't that the condition that Nolan and Bale had? No other DC tie-ins. I know we're talking about studio execs here so agreements be damned, but I remember hearing that. It's true that Nolan did not want further sequels to be made without him or the character used in JL movies. He wanted his trilogy to stand alone and keep its finality. He was even reportedly offered the lead job to direct JL and guide the saga, but said no. As much as I love Nolan's work I think this should've been disregarded by WB. Nolan doesn't own the character, and the JL series needed an established Batman. I understand what Nolan was thinking, being protective of his work, but it really put WB in a tough spot.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 8, 2017 18:48:10 GMT
We didn't get a Justice League movie because DC was going through trauma.
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