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Post by Flynn on Sept 10, 2017 1:37:00 GMT
That's true, but no one could have known that at that point. Who knows when help was going to arrive. The basement was a solution for 8 hours, but it's a terrible solution for days and weeks. At least if you have the house you have a toilet, a stove, beds, some amenities, possibly a pantry, and most importantly, a second-story escape route.
Ben was right to first secure the house before fleeing into the basement. Help was never guaranteed to arrive the next morning.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 1:44:47 GMT
That's true, but no one could have known that at that point. Who knows when help was going to arrive. The basement was a solution for 8 hours, but it's a terrible solution for days and weeks. At least if you have the house you have a toilet, a stove, beds, some amenities, possibly a pantry, and most importantly, a second-story escape route. Ben was right to first secure the house before fleeing into the basement. Help was never guaranteed to arrive the next morning. Coop knew. He should have been the leader. But Ben had to be a 'bully' and demand that he was the Alpha Dog and everybody had to listen to him - he even slapped a woman - poor Barbara and then killed Coop - Manslaughter - how'd Ben's 'leadership' turn out. Well - everyone died - including him. Epic fail. |
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Post by Flynn on Sept 10, 2017 1:50:58 GMT
It's funny how some of the things you are saying about Ben Harry's wife said about Harry. Harry's own wife didn't agree with Harry. That says something, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 9:48:03 GMT
It's funny how some of the things you are saying about Ben Harry's wife said about Harry. Harry's own wife didn't agree with Harry. That says something, doesn't it? Absolutely - that she was wrong too and everybody took Coop for granted. |
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Post by Flynn on Sept 10, 2017 15:21:09 GMT
It's been a year since I watched it, but didn't Harry have an opportunity at one point to hunker down in the basement? What reason did the movie give for them not doing that? Plus, what reason did Tom and Judy give for not staying down there?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 15:32:22 GMT
It's been a year since I watched it, but didn't Harry have an opportunity at one point to hunker down in the basement? What reason did the movie give for them not doing that? Plus, what reason did Tom and Judy give for not staying down there? Tom and Judy had low IQs like Ben. Harry did have the opportunity but he loved his wife dearly - she was being argumentative and he didn't want to leave her up there in danger. She should have knew her role and kept her yapper shut - in a sense she got Coop killed too. |
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Post by Flynn on Sept 10, 2017 15:41:36 GMT
It's been a year since I watched it, but didn't Harry have an opportunity at one point to hunker down in the basement? What reason did the movie give for them not doing that? Plus, what reason did Tom and Judy give for not staying down there? Tom and Judy had low IQs like Ben. Harry did have the opportunity but he loved his wife dearly - she was being argumentative and he didn't want to leave her up there in danger. She should have knew her role and kept her yapper shut - in a sense she got Coop killed too. Wow. I'm hoping that was said with tongue in cheek. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 15:55:37 GMT
Tom and Judy had low IQs like Ben. Harry did have the opportunity but he loved his wife dearly - she was being argumentative and he didn't want to leave her up there in danger. She should have knew her role and kept her yapper shut - in a sense she got Coop killed too. Wow. I'm hoping that was said with tongue in cheek. She should have been attending to the dying daughter in the basement and let Coop take care of the decisions. Or should the roles have been reversed? Maybe Coop should have put an apron on and went into the kitchen to make everybody ham & cheese sandwiches as his wife's half assed decision making got everyone killed by wanting to stay upstairs  |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Sept 11, 2017 5:11:59 GMT
He got people killed by being the 'Alpha' and have people follow his direction....This is a great clip about a great movie - The Karate Kid - it explains how Daniel was actually the 'real' Bully in the movie. Enjoy Errrrrr! It must be scary to live inside your head, if you can't see the tongue in cheek parody behind that KK clip. |
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Post by shadyvsesham on Sept 13, 2017 3:10:25 GMT
Ben said the basement should only be a last resort, and let's face it, if 5 zombies can turn over a car, that basement door would've busted off its hinges if the actual whole house full of zombies was trying to get in instead of the one lone 5 year old girl zombie. And he got people killed? How? First off Judy was supposed to stay in the house, her getting her stupid jacket caught in the door is what got she and Tom killed. And then consider how many hours it took him to board up the whole house by himself, if Cooper hadn't been such a coward, and come up when he first heard Barbra screaming, they could've all gotten out of there when there were only 3 zombies to deal with. He got people killed by being the 'Alpha' and have people follow his direction. Maybe if they went into the basement like Coop suggested - they could have survived the night - I mean - look what happened the next morning - rescue teams were on their way. Plus he shot and killed Coop in cold blood. I think if you watch it again - from a different perspective - you can see my points. Sometimes 'leaders' in life need to get 'fired' because they do their jobs poorly. Ben was a poor leader. I gained a whole new respect for this movie and started viewing movies with an open mind and trying to take different perspectives of what may or may not be obvious. This is a great clip about a great movie - The Karate Kid - it explains how Daniel was actually the 'real' Bully in the movie. Enjoy  I know this isnt the "topic" but omg, that "Daniel is the real villain" is fn classic. It was awesome, the real shame is that guy only had a few videos to his name and hasnt made a video in 11 months. IDC, that video was fantastic. Sorry I had to comment on it man, time well spent! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 23:28:41 GMT
He got people killed by being the 'Alpha' and have people follow his direction. Maybe if they went into the basement like Coop suggested - they could have survived the night - I mean - look what happened the next morning - rescue teams were on their way. Plus he shot and killed Coop in cold blood. I think if you watch it again - from a different perspective - you can see my points. Sometimes 'leaders' in life need to get 'fired' because they do their jobs poorly. Ben was a poor leader. I gained a whole new respect for this movie and started viewing movies with an open mind and trying to take different perspectives of what may or may not be obvious. This is a great clip about a great movie - The Karate Kid - it explains how Daniel was actually the 'real' Bully in the movie. Enjoy I know this isnt the "topic" but omg, that "Daniel is the real villain" is fn classic. It was awesome, the real shame is that guy only had a few videos to his name and hasnt made a video in 11 months. IDC, that video was fantastic. Sorry I had to comment on it man, time well spent! Danielson was quite the lil D-Wad. Coming from Jersey - he should have went out there with a fresh new mindset that he was a 'guest' so to speak and tried to 'fit in' and make the best of a situation and try to draw the positives out. I think the video nailed it. Imagine somebody comes down to your hometown in Houston who the Rockets just traded for (Chris Paul) and disrupts the chemistry there with Harden as the Alpha and states it's his way or the highway. That was pretty much Danielson bullying his way into the West Coast ......... |
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Post by corpusvile on Sept 17, 2017 5:37:43 GMT
I think it's more Romero's theme of people not being able to work together & how they can be just as dangerous in this regard as the actual zombies. It runs pretty much through all his Dead series, so I don't think Ben is an antagonist per se. I also think the whole basement thing & its ironic twist was probably George's sense of humour too actually.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 22:28:23 GMT
I think it's more Romero's theme of people not being able to work together & how they can be just as dangerous in this regard as the actual zombies. It runs pretty much through all his Dead series, so I don't think Ben is an antagonist per se. I also think the whole basement thing & its ironic twist was probably George's sense of humour too actually. Yep. Ben sure proved to be dangerous and couldn't 'play well with others'. It was his way or the highway which eventually lead to everyone's demise including himself. |
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Post by jonesjxd on Oct 15, 2017 16:33:55 GMT
In the remake I think Ben is clearly the hero of the movie, but in the original movie I think both Cooper and Ben are fascistic villains. Ben is more rational than Cooper but he doesn't have the baggage of having a family to worry about when making snap decisions. Ben is a reactionary and Cooper is overly precautionary and incredibly irrational. They're both also hugely misogynist. Ben tells this amazing biting story about the beginning of the zombie outbreak in the city, he becomes increasingly intense as he tells this story, but the second Barbara tries to tell her story he tells her she's being hysterical and proceeds to punch her. Cooper similarly accuses his wife of hysterics and hits her when he's been hysterical the whole movie. Ben also pretty clearly murders Cooper in cold blood.
A few years back I got to see a stage play version of Night of the Living Dead set in present day, and while Cooper was portrayed essentially the same, as a stuffy white middle class conservative family patriarch, Ben was portrayed as a black inner city car mechanic, the actor had tattoos from his hands to his neck and how he played the role made me think he was trying to get across that his Ben was an ex-con. It was really cool seeing these characters I know so well portrayed in a different way.
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