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Post by movielover on Sept 8, 2017 16:44:52 GMT
What a good, but heartbreaking movie. I felt depressed after watching it. Shows how society can really screw up people's lives (and when I say society, I mean parents, school, doctors, authority figures, etc).
I'm not sure I've ever seen a movie that better captures the pain and intensity of first love.
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 8, 2017 19:55:31 GMT
Splendor in the Grass is my favorite film of all time, movielover. It literally changed my life when I was a young teenager and started me on the path of becoming a director. And I agree with everything you say about the film. It is heartbreaking, and I also think it captures the pain of first love better than any other film I can recall. It was an original (Oscar winning) screenplay by playwright William Inge (Picnic, Bus Stop, Come Back, Little Sheba, et al), supposedly inspired by a true story of a similar couple Inge knew in his small hometown of Independence, Kansas.
And the last ten minutes - God, they are so perfect!, thanks to Inge's script and Kazan's direction (though Kazan gives most of the credit to Inge's writing for that, but I know in another director's hands it would have been a very different story). Natalie Wood's finest performance, without question, and she certainly deserved her Oscar nomination that year.
One of the things that I love about it, about the writing, is that it is very much like what I've talked about on this board in other places: there really aren't any villains. There are just people trying to do what they think is right, but whose needs conflict with others' needs, which creates pain for all when that was the last thing anyone wanted.
I had the good fortune in the late 70s to visit the junior college in Inge's hometown where his papers are held, and I actually got to see his original script with Kazan's notes in the margins. That was such a gift, a memory I'll treasure forever.
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Post by kijii on Sept 9, 2017 0:06:08 GMT
To my fellow Inge fan--Spider,
I had never thought of the Inge plays in that way before, but you make an excellent point. I can't really find anyone in any of the Inge plays that is a villain.They are all just people trying to do what is right, and often one person's well-meaning "right thing" does not end up right for another person. Inge does hit the mark there.
In Come Back, Little Sheba we see the same feeling of hope in a hopeless situation. Shirley Booth captures that perfectly. Doc is still struggling with his alcoholism as his wife remembers the times and symbolism (pictorial memories) of the things she recalls from when she first fell in love with doc. Doc is not an evil man, he is a crippled man trying to make himself whole again. One can see that his wife truly loves him and will do anything to make him whole again. (And, aren't we all a little crippled in some ways; and don't we want to do anything we can to help those we truly love? That's humanity... that is a true and real part of what real humanity is like.) I've always found the casting strange in that movie--Burt Lancaster married to Shirley Booth. Nevertheless one certainly gets the feeling perfectly.
The only Inge play that I find a little over the top is Bus Stop. It's hard to imagine anyone as dumb as that cowboy.
By the way, of Inge's five stage plays, Splendor in the Grass is the only one for which he also wrote the screenplay too. It is unusual for a playwrite to write his own screenplays too. (Usually someone else writes the screenplay.) The Big exception here is Neil Simon; he DID write almost all of his own screenplays from his own stage plays. There may be a few more like Simon but not many.
While on this subject, I should say that Arthur Miller did re-write The Crucible and Everybody Wins as screenplays, all of the other plays you see are teleplays. Also, Tennessee Williams wrote the screenplay for A Streetcar Named Desire. I think that is the only stage play for which he wrote his own screenplay.
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Post by petrolino on Sept 9, 2017 0:10:23 GMT
I think it's fantastic. Amazing cast - Natalie Wood, Warren Beatty, Pat Hingle, Barbara Loden, Zohra Lampert ...
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 9, 2017 0:48:03 GMT
So glad you agree about the absence of "villains," kijii. I think it's a profoundly important point. As for Bus Stop, you can't go by the film, which bastardizes Inge's play completely. I've seen only one production of it that is faithful to the play and in the end does what every Inge work will do: make you want to cry. That production was a filmed stage production starring Tim Matheson, Margot Kidder, and Pat Hingle. It was beautifully directed by Peter Hunt, Helen Hunt's uncle. Bus Stop (1982). If you can find it, I advise you to watch it. And as for Splendor in the Grass - that was never a play but an original screenplay that Inge wrote at the behest of Elia Kazan after Kazan directed Inge's play, The Dark at the Top of the Stairs on Broadway. And he won an Oscar for it. Oh, and about A Streetcar Named Desire: Kazan tried and tried to open it up, but in the end he realized that it was a masterpiece that shouldn't be changed. So he shot the play; hence Williams' credit as writer. Not only that, but he shot it almost in continuity. Lumet did the same thing with O'Neill's play, Long Day's Journey Into Night.
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Post by kijii on Sept 9, 2017 1:08:33 GMT
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Post by kijii on Sept 9, 2017 1:21:02 GMT
That's interesting. I didn't know that but once can see that it would be hard to imagine this movie as stage bound. And, I can see WHY Kazan did NOT open it up because it worked so SO well as a stage play. I don't know if you are from Kansas or not, but did you recognize that the waterfall scene in Splendor in the Grass (with Natalie Wood and Warren Beatty) looked VERY similar to the scene in Picnic where William Holden washed his face before grabbing the freight train bound for Tulsa? Or, were they just two waterfall scenes? Spender in the Grass: www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOr3FEQfRrg(The waterfall does add to the sensuality of the scene here.) No. Different filming locations: Picnic WAS filmed in Kansas and Spender in the Grass was not.
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 9, 2017 14:07:09 GMT
No, I'm not from Kansas, kijii, but I have ancestors who were - some from Inge's hometown, I recently learned - and I've spent quite a bit of time there for one reason and another.
And you're right: Splendor was shot entirely in New York. The farm sequence at the end was filmed on Staten Island. I thought it looked very much like a prairie farm. I'm sure today it's filled with houses.
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Post by teleadm on Sept 9, 2017 17:18:11 GMT
I offcourse will not coment on a movie I haven't seen, but I found this:  Feber i blodet = Fever in the Blood, Norwegian poster.
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Post by teleadm on Sept 9, 2017 17:38:28 GMT
spiderwort I had the chance to see it once on TV, after half hour watching my bad choice, I flipped chanels and watched a few minutes, realizing I should have seen this from the beginning. zapping back to other TV chanels, thinking they will show it again someday. They never did, 20 years ago mistake.
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Post by spiderwort on Sept 9, 2017 21:59:45 GMT
teleadmWell, you were right to wait. I just hope it shows up before another 20 years pass by.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 22:18:12 GMT
My favorite Natalie Wood movie.
The movie is brilliant i can't really think about anything bad to say about it.
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Post by jervistetch on Sept 9, 2017 22:30:48 GMT
My family absolutely loves this film. As you say there are no true villains but, man, do I want to slap Pat Hingle in the face with a shovel. I just want to scream, " Shut up for three minutes and listen to your son!"
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🎄😷🎄 on Dec 6, 2017 0:06:06 GMT
Just saw this for the first time on the weekend. I'm falling madly in love with Natalie Wood lately anyway, and this one pushed me over the ledge! She's so lovely, those eyes! Everybody in this movie ruined a good thing for her and Bud with all their lame advice and pointless suggestions. We can all relate to being a teenager and feeling powerless. Great movie, good to see so many familiar faces that weren't yet well known too.
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Post by movielover on Dec 6, 2017 0:09:31 GMT
Just saw this for the first time on the weekend. I'm falling madly in love with Natalie Wood lately anyway, and this one pushed me over the ledge! She's so lovely, those eyes! Everybody in this movie ruined a good thing for her and Bud with all their lame advice and pointless suggestions. We can all relate to being a teenager and feeling powerless. Great movie, good to see so many familiar faces that weren't yet well known too. I'm with you on Natalie Wood. What a good looking woman. Beautiful eyes.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Dec 6, 2017 5:21:36 GMT
Dear Elia Kazan,
here are a few random and rambling thoughts on your film. Splendor in the Grass was mainly an intense and adult romantic drama about the love between two teenagers from different classes of American society. It also told the social history of America what with the stock market crash and the prohibition forming an important part of the film. The film reflects the attitudes of American society towards women in the 1920's. John Huston said that "Half of directing is casting the right actors". Well, you couldn't have asked for a better lead pair than Natalie Wood and Warren Beatty. Wood was in full bloom in this film as a lower class girl who is eager to please her upper class boyfriend while being intensely aware of society's reactions to her love affair. Beatty was intense and dreamy as an upper class boy who is struggling with his father's expectations that are in direct conflict with his own aspirations. William Inge writes many beautiful scenes - the best being the one in the classroom when a sad and distracted Natalie Wood (after being dumped by Beatty) is pulled up by her teacher for not being able to explain the meaning of a poem. It is a heartbreaking scene as Natalie struggles to hide her despair and actually comes up with an interesting explanation. I am usually not a fan of romantic dramas but this one was sad, memorable and affecting.
Best Regards, Pimpin.
(8/10)
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Post by spiderwort on Dec 6, 2017 12:14:33 GMT
pimpinainteasyWhat a wonderful post. Elia Kazan and William Inge would be honored to read it. I'm glad you liked the film. I think it's a very special, realistic, and heartbreaking story of young love in a particularly repressive era.
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Post by pimpinainteasy on Dec 6, 2017 13:09:15 GMT
pimpinainteasy What a wonderful post. Elia Kazan and William Inge would be honored to read it. I'm glad you liked the film. I think it's a very special, realistic, and heartbreaking story of young love in a particularly repressive era. cheers, spiderwort.
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