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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 12, 2017 21:34:02 GMT
I can say that the universe where they don't do such things appears more orderly and somewhat predictable. Atheists everywhere thank you for this insight. And I thank you for helping to prove my point that there is a reason people do not want to believe in a god and do not want to accept evidence for a god. I said it before. It threatens their sense of order and takes the final word on things away from them. And while indeed gods working miracles too frequently or recklessly could work havoc on order in the universe it does not compare to the havoc worked by human atheists. But you didn't answer Cupcake's question with a plain 'yes' or 'no'. Is there a problem? "I can't say" means I can't say yes or no to what a god is able. The only problem is that you seem to believe you can say. |
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 12, 2017 21:41:00 GMT
tpfkar Sure, in CoolG rankled avoidance speak.
So you are a heathen. It doesn;t matter if I use it to insult you or just as the accurate term to describe you. Deal with it.So you just don't like the way I answered?
I can live with that.
I can live with you being too timid to actually answer.  And it being highlighted.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 12, 2017 21:43:30 GMT
As for how I would know that God could have allowed Adam's children to be born sinless, any Bible believing Christian knows that for a god who created life and the laws that govern it, who decides what traits shall be heritable and what traits not heritable, who allowed Jesus, born from a human, to be born without inherited sin, and (if one is a Catholic) who allowed Mary, born from a human, to be born without inherited sin...then such a thing is well within the power of such a god. Being able to do something once, if that's what happened, is not proof of being able to do it twice. It is amusing though watching you trying to tell us what gods can and cannot do. Do your parents approve of you being so silly on the internet? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 12, 2017 21:58:23 GMT
Which? The million dollars or guilt free offspring? I'll discuss both. If god gave us a million dollars every time we made the sign of a cross on patio furniture then criminals would have life too easy just from the overflow. The reason children must suffer from the mistakes their parents make is a bit more difficult to explain. I did explain it somewhat in addressing the ideals in the foundation of the United States. I also addressed some time ago on this board the problems inherent in concepts like "infinity" and "omnipotence." Infinity and algebra don't mix. The whole algebraic manipulation of things goes out the window when you try to put infinity on either side any equations. Similarly omnipotence, at least some people's concept of it, does not mix with an orderly universe. All order goes out the window too. I don't try (much) to set rules a god must follow. I am not a god. Maybe they can give us a million dollars every time we make the sign of a cross on patio furniture. Maybe they can make the offspring of criminals like gods. I can't say. I can say that the universe where they don't do such things appears more orderly and somewhat predictable. Oodabbadabbay! So you're saying he's unable? No, try reading it again. |
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 12, 2017 22:11:15 GMT
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Post by Arlon10 on Sept 12, 2017 22:21:29 GMT
There you go. "Suggesting" is a good word, so is "speculating." Those I can do. However I don't believe I can say definitely what a god or gods can do or not. I'm absolutely positive you can't say. |
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 12, 2017 22:39:04 GMT
There you go. "Suggesting" is a good word, so is "speculating." Those I can do. However I don't believe I can say definitely what a god or gods can do or not. I'm absolutely positive you can't say. "I don't know" is a fine answer, but pretty nonstandard for Christians. But then you say you think Christians are actually atheists, don't you.  I can positively say that there's no grownup sensible reason to think there are any "gods" at all.
I can diagram sentences. It's not like I can't. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Sept 13, 2017 9:29:31 GMT
I thank you for helping to prove my point that there is a reason people do not want to believe in a god and do not want to accept evidence for a god. I said it before. It threatens their sense of order and takes the final word on things away from them. And the hard evidence for the deliberate supernatural is... 'Gods' ? How many are working at miracles do you think, then? Can Cthulhu play? An omniscient and omnipotent god I am sure, could find a perfect way to work. After all, the Judaic candidate was hard at it back in the day, and things seemed to work out quite well. Yes, questioning the central myths of any faith system can be bothersome and disruptive, can't it? But a life unexamined is ultimately not worth living. But you didn't answer Cupcake's question with a plain 'yes' or 'no'. Is there a problem? A: "I can't say" means I can't say yes or no to what a god is able. A fine dissembling, indeed. I can certainly point out what your God has not done and ask why, and leave the uncomfortable special pleading and apologetics to you. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Sept 13, 2017 10:30:04 GMT
Original sin is a stupid idea.
Well, maybe not that stupid.. You can't spiritually blackmail people unless you first position yourself to have something that they don't have, in this case 'salvation'.
By painting everyone as sinners the Church made EVERYONE their prey.
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 13, 2017 17:57:48 GMT
tpfkar Immoral and pathological to the core.
perfection |
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