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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 0:45:53 GMT
Shocked that the follow on wasn't enforced. Still got two full days.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 10, 2018 2:37:32 GMT
Shocked that the follow on wasn't enforced. Still got two full days. Shocking indeed. Sometimes captains do not enforce follow on because they feel their bowlers are tired and need rest. But only 15 overs was to be bowled yesterday after Australia's first innings so it was not as if they had to toil all day. Perhaps they want to bat so that Australia gets to bat when batting conditions deteriorate even more. |
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 10, 2018 3:25:43 GMT
Shocked that the follow on wasn't enforced. Still got two full days. Shocking indeed. Sometimes captains do not enforce follow on because they feel their bowlers are tired and need rest. But only 15 overs was to be bowled yesterday after Australia's first innings so it was not as if they had to toil all day. Perhaps they want to bat so that Australia gets to bat when batting conditions deteriorate even more. That’s exactly why they didn’t enforce the follow on. The pitch is only going to get worse and worse. |
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 10, 2018 3:41:56 GMT
It's rather surprising that Pakistan didn't enforce the follow on. They would probably want to set a target of 425 but they don't actually need that much.
England's match should be starting soon I guess. My guess is that matches in SL would be low scoring. SL's batting is miserable at the moment.
In other news the idiot Harbhajan Singh is mocking the West Indies but it seems he forgot how despicable and classless Indians were in England. Often getting bowled out for less than 200.
I guess I really should input something about the England V India series. Of course I was delighted, I greatly admire Kohli the player, but as a person and Captain (his conduct in the field is often a disgrace) leaves me cold, so it was delightful to stick it to him. But anyone who watched the series knows that the end result flatters England greatly, nothing between the sides so England were grateful for some serious fortune with weather conditions. That said, England "dropped" Kohli into form right from the off when the pressure was on him, would it have been worse for India had England held those early catches? But all you guys know I'm sure, we are in a desperate state in cricket where home advantage is pretty much everything, and we have to get away from that. Toss choice to the away team like in County Cricket? What do we do guys? Of course this doesn't excuse the continued failure of countries unable to adapt to the turning/moving ball when they go abroad... Complete knee jerk reaction to a problem which doesn’t really exist. India still has a distinct advantage at home whether they bat first or not. Australia is exactly the same. The issue is that too many players simply cannot adjust to playing the game in foreign conditions, and frankly, Australia and India are the worst culprits for this. The toss has nothing to do with it. Some people suggest that it eliminates ‘doctored’ pitches - but the last really bad pitch we’ve seen was in Pune in 2016/17 - and Australia won that game. The other pitch in that series which looked cooked was in Ranchi (supposedly a good pitch for quicks) and then Australia scored 450+ and India 600+. |
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 10, 2018 6:51:56 GMT
I guess I really should input something about the England V India series. Of course I was delighted, I greatly admire Kohli the player, but as a person and Captain (his conduct in the field is often a disgrace) leaves me cold, so it was delightful to stick it to him. But anyone who watched the series knows that the end result flatters England greatly, nothing between the sides so England were grateful for some serious fortune with weather conditions. That said, England "dropped" Kohli into form right from the off when the pressure was on him, would it have been worse for India had England held those early catches? But all you guys know I'm sure, we are in a desperate state in cricket where home advantage is pretty much everything, and we have to get away from that. Toss choice to the away team like in County Cricket? What do we do guys? Of course this doesn't excuse the continued failure of countries unable to adapt to the turning/moving ball when they go abroad... Complete knee jerk reaction to a problem which doesn’t really exist. India still has a distinct advantage at home whether they bat first or not. Australia is exactly the same. The issue is that too many players simply cannot adjust to playing the game in foreign conditions, and frankly, Australia and India are the worst culprits for this. The toss has nothing to do with it. Some people suggest that it eliminates ‘doctored’ pitches - but the last really bad pitch we’ve seen was in Pune in 2016/17 - and Australia won that game. The other pitch in that series which looked cooked was in Ranchi (supposedly a good pitch for quicks) and then Australia scored 450+ and India 600+. Wouldn't say knee jerk, Bob. The stats say otherwise. As stated, I agree with you that players have to adapt to abroad conditions. So how is this to be dealt with? Better coaching? Longer tours where like the old days teams abroad would acclimatise with a number of warm up matches before a series starts? What? It's a sad indictment of test cricket when the number 1 side in the world loses 4-1 to this current England side. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 10, 2018 7:43:09 GMT
I think what you're missing is that test performances can't be measured in just wins and losses. In the case of the England v India series, 4-1 looks like a mauling, but it wasn't. They were blown off the park in one test and apart from that were able to hold the tension of the other matches till deep into the contests. England's superior knowledge of conditions got them over the line a couple of times, but they didn't render the games no contests. If you're consistently competitive in overseas tests then the Ls become Ws or Ds eventually.
Take England's 3-0 win over Oz in 2013. Australia led on the first innings in 4 of the 5 tests, had two narrow losses and the better of a draw. Acording to the scoreline it was a one sided bore, in reality it was the most enthralling five test series in recent times.
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 10, 2018 8:10:59 GMT
Also, Adding to what Hosko said, just because India are No.1, losing a series to “this current” England side is completely irrelevant to them being No.1. Rankings are such that there HAS to be a No.1 side. And, despite their lofty status, India is far from a complete side. Their batting relies far too heavily on Kohli, and their bowling is exceedingly inconsistent and their big strike weapons (Ashwin and Jadeja) still have vastly disparate records in South Asian conditions compared to elsewhere. Put it this way - compare this current Indian side to the India side from a decade ago, or the same era Australian side or the 80’s Windies.....
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 10, 2018 16:10:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 22:23:59 GMT
Shocking indeed. Sometimes captains do not enforce follow on because they feel their bowlers are tired and need rest. But only 15 overs was to be bowled yesterday after Australia's first innings so it was not as if they had to toil all day. Perhaps they want to bat so that Australia gets to bat when batting conditions deteriorate even more. That’s exactly why they didn’t enforce the follow on. The pitch is only going to get worse and worse. That was the only thing I could think of. |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 10, 2018 22:58:01 GMT
I'd like to see some type of law whereby if a team leads by, say 275+, the follow on is compulsory. If you're that far ahead, you've got a responsibility to move the game forward.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 11, 2018 3:08:17 GMT
A bit surprised that SL have allowed Eng to play ODIs first and settle before the Tests. It seemed England were gunning for a large total yeterday. Disappointing washout.
Aus has lost 3 wickets to a pacer. Not so unsurprisingly all 3 wickets in a bunch. Aus just needs to build 2 good partnerships in a row. Once again good start by openers.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 11, 2018 10:02:58 GMT
A fairly respectable overall performance in 2nd innings by Australia so far. It's very rare to chase down large totals but irrespective of the result they will have their heads held high. Openers did the job and Travis Head got some decent runs.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 11, 2018 11:44:19 GMT
Really should draw from here. 5 wickets in hand and 22 overs left. Of course a double strike would change that in a hurry.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 11, 2018 12:35:24 GMT
Unbelievable....3 wickets in just a few minutes.
Pakistan need 2 wickets and Aus need to bat 12 overs.....Come on Paine....We are with you.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 11, 2018 13:21:32 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 11, 2018 13:23:55 GMT
Well done to the Aussies holding on for the draw:
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 11, 2018 13:25:47 GMT
Well done to the Aussies holding on for the draw: Just awesome. Especially given the embarrassment they suffered after 1st innings collapse. But much has to be said about the courage and determination they showed in the 4th innings. Well done, Australia!
Lol @ Pakistan...hahaha
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 11, 2018 17:12:07 GMT
In the case of the England v India series, 4-1 looks like a mauling, but it wasn't. They were blown off the park in one test and apart from that were able to hold the tension of the other matches till deep into the contests. England's superior knowledge of conditions got them over the line a couple of times, but they didn't render the games no contests. If you're consistently competitive in overseas tests then the Ls become Ws or Ds eventually. I have already said this!  |
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 11, 2018 17:13:10 GMT
Tim Paine - The First mild tempered Australian Captain I have ever seen. Extremely likeable persona. In fact even Pakistani captain is a very likeable character.
I wish Tim Paine success as a player. The only downside for him is that he already seems to be a bit on the older side. But hope he continues to enjoy success both as a captain and as a player.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 11, 2018 17:26:49 GMT
Also, Adding to what Hosko said, just because India are No.1, losing a series to “this current” England side is completely irrelevant to them being No.1. Rankings are such that there HAS to be a No.1 side. And, despite their lofty status, India is far from a complete side. Their batting relies far too heavily on Kohli, and their bowling is exceedingly inconsistent and their big strike weapons (Ashwin and Jadeja) still have vastly disparate records in South Asian conditions compared to elsewhere. Put it this way - compare this current Indian side to the India side from a decade ago, or the same era Australian side or the 80’s Windies..... I have yet to disagree with this, so not sure what to say since I agree with both you and Hosko's principal points. What I don't agree with is that test cricket doesn't favour home sides, because it quite simply does as regards the elite test playing nations, and quite often the toss is the crucial factor. At the end of the day we are test cricket lovers, but lets face it it is becoming a dying thing and needs change. And again, I agree that players have to adapt better to overseas conditions, but how do they do that? Flipping England haven't been able to play quality spin since I started watching test cricket in the late 70s!! It's unlikely to change anytime soon I feel, sadly. England were number one in the world once and I easily picked apart the value of that, I wasn't putting up being number 1 in the rankings as a banner of greatness  I was pointing out the folly of India being number 1 when they still couldn't handle the English conditions better than an average England team. |
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