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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 6, 2021 12:05:39 GMT
Not quite a mad dash, but definitely an acceleration towards lunch from the Black Caps. 169/6, a lead of 277 at a rainy lunch.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 6, 2021 18:37:16 GMT
A half hearted acceleration leads to a half hearted English response. 60no from 207 balls by Sibley. 25 from 81 by Burns. A reasonably brisk 40 from Root.
England finish 3 down around 100 from victory. Probably the right call not to give them longer.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 7, 2021 0:06:17 GMT
Very Generous declaration from Williamson and I’m surprised England didn’t have a dip right from ball one. In fact with Stokes and/or Buttler and/or Moeen in the lineup they might have. King Kane might not have been so generous with the declaration either though.....
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 7, 2021 1:47:34 GMT
Ollie Robinson suspended pending an investigation for saying some stupid shit on twitter 8-9 years ago when he was a teenager. Given that everyone has read the tweets and Ollie has admitted to making them I'm not really sure what needs investigating.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 7, 2021 4:41:05 GMT
So what stupid shit did he say I hear you ask:
My new Muslim friend is the bomb.
I wonder if asian people put smilies like this (can't recreate on my android but you can guess) #racist.
Guy next to me on the train definitely has ebola.
Not exactly classy stuff, but sounds ignorant and juvenile to me rather than pointed and malevolent. Just apologise for some cringe worthy views held as a youth and move on.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 7, 2021 5:32:22 GMT
So what stupid shit did he say I hear you ask: My new Muslim friend is the bomb. I wonder if asian people put smilies like this (can't recreate on my android but you can guess) #racist. Guy next to me on the train definitely has ebola. Not exactly classy stuff, but sounds ignorant and juvenile to me rather than pointed and malevolent. Just apologise for some cringe worthy views held as a youth and move on. Claiming something is good is “the bomb” is more offensive than anything else. Clearly these are poor attempts at humour, nothing more malicious than that. Like you said earlier Hosko, exactly what requires an investigation further than what we already know ? And why is he being “stood down” ?
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 7, 2021 5:56:46 GMT
So what stupid shit did he say I hear you ask: My new Muslim friend is the bomb. I wonder if asian people put smilies like this (can't recreate on my android but you can guess) #racist. Guy next to me on the train definitely has ebola. Not exactly classy stuff, but sounds ignorant and juvenile to me rather than pointed and malevolent. Just apologise for some cringe worthy views held as a youth and move on. Claiming something is good is “the bomb” is more offensive than anything else. Clearly these are poor attempts at humour, nothing more malicious than that. Like you said earlier Hosko, exactly what requires an investigation further than what we already know ? And why is he being “stood down” ? Yeah. Calling them "cringeworthy views" was overstating it. Just bad jokes. Apologize and move on. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 7, 2021 16:13:40 GMT
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 7, 2021 16:58:28 GMT
Pretty gutless of Root not to go for it … less than four runs an over. Especially after saying he was determined to win all seven tests this summer.  |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 9, 2021 19:25:21 GMT
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 10, 2021 6:57:42 GMT
And it’s quotes like this, from the same article, that makes the overwhelming majority of people’s eyes glaze over Text book tokenism, and classic window dressing. Will having a black man on the ECB executive change the views of racist players and fans ? No chance. Especially not given the fact that even most ardent cricket fans and players would struggle to name more than 1 or 2 people on the board regardless of their colour or background. The only way to overcome true racism is by the normalisation of pluralism. If the ECB, English Cricket and its players were systemically and institutionally racist, there would be absolutely no way known England would be hosting the Indian cricket team this northern summer, nor would they have entertained the West Indies last year. There is no way that in their World Cup winning team would be a black man as an opening bowler, an Asian as their star spinner, an immigrant from the antipodes as their star all rounder and worst of all, captained and led by an Irishman. For some reason, these aspects of multiculturalism and pluralism never get raised by the hatchet jobs in leftist media. Only tokenism, bullshittery and obviously jokes that are at absolute worst, crude, but nevertheless, let’s crucify an organisation that isn’t at all racist, but hasn’t gifted someone a position they probably don’t deserve because of their race. Honestly, what says ‘we aren’t racist’ as much as not making appointments based on the colour of the skin of the people involved ?
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 10, 2021 8:43:40 GMT
Leftists and their obsession with punishing people (usually majority) for trivial things....Cults and religions just keep changing names.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jun 10, 2021 12:54:08 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9671669/Michael-Vaughan-calls-end-crickets-ridiculous-Twitter-row.html'The witch hunt has to stop!': Ex-England captain Michael Vaughan calls for end to cricket's 'ridiculous' Twitter row as team don anti-discrimination shirts at start of today's match The ex-batsman, 46, branded the weaponising of old posts as 'utterly ridiculous' Vaughan claimed 'no one' had been offended by them when they were written His old teammate Michael Atherton also weighed into the row Thursday morning He said the way bosses handled it led to a 'snooper's charter' on players' socials Their interventions come as the national team vowed to wear anti-racism shirts
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 10, 2021 13:17:21 GMT
Leftists and their obsession with punishing people (usually majority) for trivial things....Cults and religions just keep changing names. Cults and Religions stay the same, it’s just the groups and types of people that are actually persecuted or self-identified as such that change. Certain groups of leftist media are very good, and very persuasive, at offence taking for crimes against racial minorities. Sometimes they are correct, no doubt. Often, they are not and sometimes spectacularly so. Look at how many people took offence on behalf of Serena Williams when she was (correctly) called out for cheating, and then she took the ‘moral high ground’ of claiming it was the double whammy of sexism and racism in one. Another example was the extreme hand wringing that took place against Shane Warne when it came to light that he called Cheteshwar Pujara “Steve”. Warne was probably told by someone in England that it was Pujara’s nickname at Yorkshire, and he followed suit without knowing Pujara’s feelings on the moniker. How exactly “Steve” is racist besides maybe not being able to say “Cheteshwar” I don’t know, but the fact Warne is white and Pujara is not, and Pujara is not a fan makes it racist. Meanwhile, the fact an entire team in the IPL decided to call Darren Sammy “Kalu” a derogatory term similar to “Nigger”, and there was barely a ripple of anything at all despite Sammy himself seeking explanations.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 10, 2021 13:54:33 GMT
Leftists and their obsession with punishing people (usually majority) for trivial things....Cults and religions just keep changing names. Cults and Religions stay the same, it’s just the groups and types of people that are actually persecuted or self-identified as such that change. Certain groups of leftist media are very good, and very persuasive, at offence taking for crimes against racial minorities. Sometimes they are correct, no doubt. Often, they are not and sometimes spectacularly so. Look at how many people took offence on behalf of Serena Williams when she was (correctly) called out for cheating, and then she took the ‘moral high ground’ of claiming it was the double whammy of sexism and racism in one. Another example was the extreme hand wringing that took place against Shane Warne when it came to light that he called Cheteshwar Pujara “Steve”. Warne was probably told by someone in England that it was Pujara’s nickname at Yorkshire, and he followed suit without knowing Pujara’s feelings on the moniker. How exactly “Steve” is racist besides maybe not being able to say “Cheteshwar” I don’t know, but the fact Warne is white and Pujara is not, and Pujara is not a fan makes it racist. Meanwhile, the fact an entire team in the IPL decided to call Darren Sammy “Kalu” a derogatory term similar to “Nigger”, and there was barely a ripple of anything at all despite Sammy himself seeking explanations. What I am trying to say is that political ideologies are no better than religions and cults. Adherents of ideology which is dominant at any time choose to put themselves in a different light and think there is nothing wrong with their beliefs because they are rational. Much like other ideologies there are some good things about leftism too. But taking it too far means you are dividing the society. By criticising one set of people more harshly than other (ex - Warne/IPL team example) you divide the society and in future it may not be very good. The problem with leftists is that they are applying different sets of standards for judging people. And in some cases, leftists make issues about things which is not even an issue. So Olie said something in his teens. Let's ban him. By such standards most people will get unemployed because most human beings do say something that is not very polished at some point of time in their lives. You don't bring trivial things like that years afterwards. But actually people are bringing trivial things like that and push by liberals/leftists to make someone from majority community culprit is one of the main reasons why that is happening.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 10, 2021 21:12:31 GMT
Wow, West Indies get bowled for just 97 by Saffers. Ideally it won't surprise me but given the lack of form by Saffers in the last few years, I am quite surprised.
Waiting for the weekends to watch England vs Nz. Match looking even at the moment but I have no idea about the pitch as I have not seen the game so far. Hope to see some action on Saturday and Sunday Eng: 258/7 at the end of day 1.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 10, 2021 22:20:03 GMT
I've been thinking about this a lot lately with the continued complete misrepresentation, from the left and right, of Adam Goodes. Saw an interview the other day where Goodes, yet again, went out of his way to NOT say that racist booing forced him out of the game. Like most Aboriginal players, he received racial abuse from morons at the games. He said that he was quite content with the policies the AFL has in place which allowed him to point out the person to security and have them removed from the ground. He was also, in most cases, able to talk to the individual afterward. He completely disagrees with stopping entire games when there's abuse.
Now, if you watch ABC or Sky this will probably shock you. You probably think that Goodes has always held that racists booed him at games and that the AFL did not do enough to hold these fans to account. The ABC will tell you that if we'd all admit our racism Goodes would return to the sport. Sky will tell you that if Goodes just admitted that none of us are racists and apologised for views he does not actually hold and has never expressed then people would love him.
The reality is that he still maintains he has no idea why people booed him, but when 40'000+ people were booing him every week he felt like a piece of shit. Football became a negative part of his life so he completely cut it off. Just like cutting off a toxic relationship or a drug dependency he just made a clean break. He'll speak at Swans functions occasionally but apart from that he's moved on. He's not some angry bitter arsehole waiting for the AFL to bow to his commands and the entire country to grovel at his feet and apologise. He's not playing the victim card to increase his media profile so he can live in incredible privilege whilst telling everyone how hard he has it. He's a husband and father who does a lot of work in remote communities and is busy getting on with his life and helping to educate indigenous people and lift them out of poverty. He's not a victim. His story is not a tragedy. He's a happy, optimistic and quite unassuming bloke going about his life and ABC and Sky should let him do so.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 11, 2021 7:43:07 GMT
Cults and Religions stay the same, it’s just the groups and types of people that are actually persecuted or self-identified as such that change. Certain groups of leftist media are very good, and very persuasive, at offence taking for crimes against racial minorities. Sometimes they are correct, no doubt. Often, they are not and sometimes spectacularly so. Look at how many people took offence on behalf of Serena Williams when she was (correctly) called out for cheating, and then she took the ‘moral high ground’ of claiming it was the double whammy of sexism and racism in one. Another example was the extreme hand wringing that took place against Shane Warne when it came to light that he called Cheteshwar Pujara “Steve”. Warne was probably told by someone in England that it was Pujara’s nickname at Yorkshire, and he followed suit without knowing Pujara’s feelings on the moniker. How exactly “Steve” is racist besides maybe not being able to say “Cheteshwar” I don’t know, but the fact Warne is white and Pujara is not, and Pujara is not a fan makes it racist. Meanwhile, the fact an entire team in the IPL decided to call Darren Sammy “Kalu” a derogatory term similar to “Nigger”, and there was barely a ripple of anything at all despite Sammy himself seeking explanations. What I am trying to say is that political ideologies are no better than religions and cults. Adherents of ideology which is dominant at any time choose to put themselves in a different light and think there is nothing wrong with their beliefs because they are rational. Much like other ideologies there are some good things about leftism too. But taking it too far means you are dividing the society. By criticising one set of people more harshly than other (ex - Warne/IPL team example) you divide the society and in future it may not be very good. The problem with leftists is that they are applying different sets of standards for judging people. And in some cases, leftists make issues about things which is not even an issue. So Olie said something in his teens. Let's ban him. By such standards most people will get unemployed because most human beings do say something that is not very polished at some point of time in their lives. You don't bring trivial things like that years afterwards. But actually people are bringing trivial things like that and push by liberals/leftists to make someone from majority community culprit is one of the main reasons why that is happening. I agree. You only have to look at the disparate partisanship occurring in mainstream USA as an example of political “ideology” being identical to religions and cults. The saddest thing about that is that politically and economically, the Democrats and Republicans are so close together compared to the rest of the world. But to them, the chasm is as wide as the Pacific Ocean, and it’s looking more and more possible that an internal civil war might happen in the USA in our lifetime. As for “leftists” taking things too far and applying different standards - that’s a common human flaw in any group, and is basic tribalism. The fact is, acknowledging the past wrongdoing, accepting it for what it actually is and showing that you are not racist and that it could be perceived as offensive to some is punishment enough. Witch-hunting and blanket bans prove nothing and only amplify the noise the very small minority make.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jun 11, 2021 23:43:25 GMT
As well as the left vs right nonsense there is also some cricket going on. Burns and Conway again anchoring their respective teams innings as NZ reached 3-229 in reply to.England's 303. Taylor 46no, Will Young 80no. Quick wickets gor England tomorrow.
In St Lucia Ngidi (5-19) and Nortje (4-35) shot out the Windies for 97. Holder continued his impression of Heath Streak with 4-75 as 141no from Quinten de Cock saw the Saffers take a 225 run lead. Rabada has 2-18 in the second dig as the Windies stumbled to 4-82.
Underestimate the Saffers bowling attack at your peril.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jun 12, 2021 3:46:16 GMT
Impressive stuff from NZ. Taylor showed what experience brings in batting - he was fishing and fiddling, edging and nicking, looking completely at sea for his first 10 runs. Soft Hands, stuck it out, 40 odd NO.
Meanwhile, the West Indies have provided the best example yet of how white ball batting can destroy red ball batting techniques. So many dismissals to balls doing absolutely nothing, gun barrel straight, but played with angled bats, closed faces and no footwork. A nick to second slip in T20 gets you an easy one, sometimes a bonus four. In Tests, it out.
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