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Post by Aj_June on Oct 21, 2018 14:17:58 GMT
Thanks for that Carl. Well, ICC people are idiots. They should not restrict WC to 10 teams. 16 teams wouldn't have hurt. Well, at least they will make lower teams play whole lot of matches to grab 2 spots which countries like Bang or Afg or Ireland or WI will grab anyway. |
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 21, 2018 15:47:26 GMT
Cmon AJ - since when have you ever known the ICC to NOT be idiots ?
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 21, 2018 15:52:32 GMT
England win yet another match by DL that they should have easily won anyway. Jason Roy gives them a good start in every match it seems. Malinga has looked quite well in the series and it seems they might take him in their WC 2019 squad. It is still beyond belief that this series was scheduled during monsoon season, it shows a complete disregard for the fans who have travelled at great cost to be there. Baffling. Not to rain on your parade (boom tish) - but SL cricket doesn’t really give a stuff about how much England fans spend in travelling to watch cricket when drawing up schedules. In fact, I don’t think a single entity anywhere in cricket bothers to think about away fans at all. |
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 21, 2018 16:04:16 GMT
Cmon AJ - since when have you ever known the ICC to NOT be idiots ? Yeah...bad of me...idiots as well as self-destructive. |
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 21, 2018 17:28:13 GMT
It is still beyond belief that this series was scheduled during monsoon season, it shows a complete disregard for the fans who have travelled at great cost to be there. Baffling. Not to rain on your parade (boom tish) - but SL cricket doesn’t really give a stuff about how much England fans spend in travelling to watch cricket when drawing up schedules. In fact, I don’t think a single entity anywhere in cricket bothers to think about away fans at all. I'm pretty sure the ECB have to ratify an itinerary for England to tour. Same for every other away country, no? |
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 21, 2018 17:30:54 GMT
It is still beyond belief that this series was scheduled during monsoon season, it shows a complete disregard for the fans who have travelled at great cost to be there. Baffling. Not to rain on your parade (boom tish) - but SL cricket doesn’t really give a stuff about how much England fans spend in travelling to watch cricket when drawing up schedules. In fact, I don’t think a single entity anywhere in cricket bothers to think about away fans at all. Here's the half-arsed ECB response I just found www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45889218 |
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 21, 2018 17:38:33 GMT
Not to rain on your parade (boom tish) - but SL cricket doesn’t really give a stuff about how much England fans spend in travelling to watch cricket when drawing up schedules. In fact, I don’t think a single entity anywhere in cricket bothers to think about away fans at all. I'm pretty sure the ECB have to ratify an itinerary for England to tour. Same for every other away country, no? Don't know how many English fans visit SL but I do think Eng should have some power over WI board as quite a lot of English fans travel to West Indies and I believe that could be some significant earnings for WI.
SL are going to have the worst winter in last 30 years of their cricket history it seems. NZ, AUS and SA. They will be killed. BTW, thanks for the article - I had no idea that SL has 4 monsoon seasons.
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 21, 2018 17:51:59 GMT
The World Cup in 2023.
Talk about convoluted. I’ll try to simplify it by listing all the nations that CAN qualify and how they get there. As it stands, there will only be 10 teams at the WC. The sole reason for this is TV money. The more games India (and to a lesser extent Aus and Eng) plays before being knocked out, the better. Two groups of 5, probably a super six stage, semis, final. (16 teams 4 groups of 4, double round robin, quarters, semis, final seems far more logical to me, but I digress).
32 teams can qualify. The Top 13 sides keep playing as normal. At some point in 2022, the Top 8 ranked teams will automatically qualify for the 2023 WC. I’ll get to the bottom 5 later (ranked 9-13). This is called the “World Cup Super League” (of course).
1. Australia
2. England
3. India
4. Pakistan
5. Sri Lanka
6. New Zealand
7. South Africa
8. West Indies
9. Bangladesh
10. Afghanistan
11. Ireland
12. Netherlands
13. Zimbabwe
Now the following 15 teams all have a chance of qualifying :
14. Scotland
15. Nepal
16. United Arab Emirates
17. Papua New Guinea
18. Hong Kong
19. Canada
20. Namibia
21. Oman
22. Kenya
23. Singapore
24. USA
25. Uganda
26. Denmark
27. Malaysia
28. Jersey
29. Vanuatu
30. Bermuda
31. Unknown
32. Unknown
Teams 31 and 32 are selected based on rankings not published anywhere on the Internet. Teams playing at level for the 2019 World Cup include Italy, Qatar, Guernsey, Germany, Ghana and Cayman Islands. It will probably be two of those.
Vanuatu and Bermuda are currently at Level 5, Malaysia and Jersey Level 4 so have qualified for the lowest level which is “World Cup Challenge League A and B” (2 concurrent leagues of 6 teams)
The teams in red (21. Oman thru 26. Denmark) are qualified for ICC Division 3, which is a tournament played in April 2019. The winners and runners up of that qualify for ICC Division 2. The remaining 4 Qualify for ”World Cup Challenge League A and B”.
The teams in blue (17. PNG thru 20. Namibia) are in ICC Division 2. They will be joined by the 2 winners from ICC Division 3 (the red teams) for a tournament played in November 2019. The four best placed teams from this tournament join the 3 green teams (14. Scotland thru 16. UAE) in “World Cup League 2”. The 2 worst placed teams will qualify for “World Cup Challenge League A and B”
From there, once we know who is ranked where and qualified for what, the “World Cup Challenge League A and B” and the “World Cup League 2” get played. The winners of each challenge league qualify for the “WC qualifier playoff”. The bottom 5 in each league are eliminated from the WC.
The Top 3 in the World Cup League 2 qualify for the “World Cup Qualifier”, the bottom 4 qualify for the “WC qualifier playoff”.
Then comes the “WC qualifier playoff” which features 6 teams. The Top 2 qualify for the “World Cup Qualifier” the bottom 4 are eliminated.
Next is the World Cup Qualifier, which is a tournament that features 10 teams. 2 teams from the WC qualifier playoff, 3 teams from the World Cup League 2, and the bottom 5 sides from the World Cup Super League. The Top 2 in this tournament qualify for the World Cup 2023 along with the Top 8 from the World Cup Super League.
Confused ? You betcha. The sad thing is that this is easier to understand than the previous system.
And, if you think it’s unnecessary - think again. In 2015, Afghanistan qualified for the WC after starting in Division 6 (essentially having to win a tournament to make position 32 in the list above). At the time, PNG and Nepal were both at a similar level too.
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 21, 2018 18:03:35 GMT
Not to rain on your parade (boom tish) - but SL cricket doesn’t really give a stuff about how much England fans spend in travelling to watch cricket when drawing up schedules. In fact, I don’t think a single entity anywhere in cricket bothers to think about away fans at all. I'm pretty sure the ECB have to ratify an itinerary for England to tour. Same for every other away country, no? Yes and No. The ICC oversees and enforces all tours everywhere - and for away tours the ECB can only offer “windows” when the team is available. From there, it’s a 3 way collaborative effort between the ECB, SL and the ICC. The ECB has a period whereby they “have” to tour SL at least once to play ODIs and Tests; SL has a period they “have” to host England etc etc. The only exceptions to this rule it seems is a) The IPL is sacrosanct and the ICC must move the schedule around it, and b) Australia must play home tests around Christmas and New Year, regardless of the opponent. (I’m sure South Africa or New Zealand would LOVE to host a test against Australia on Boxing Day or New Year’s Day.) Now, again, we are talking about the ICC, so rules and regulations are subject to change at any time, and their enforcement varies wildly between lax to strict..... |
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 21, 2018 18:06:20 GMT
I'm pretty sure the ECB have to ratify an itinerary for England to tour. Same for every other away country, no? Don't know how many English fans visit SL but I do think Eng should have some power over WI board as quite a lot of English fans travel to West Indies and I believe that could be some significant earnings for WI.
SL are going to have the worst winter in last 30 years of their cricket history it seems. NZ, AUS and SA. They will be killed. BTW, thanks for the article - I had no idea that SL has 4 monsoon seasons.
English fans travel everywhere, but their “big” tour is Australia. And there’s 2 chances of the England board having any influence over Australia. None and Fuck all. As for the WI - like most sports they rely heavily on TV money and games against India are their golden ticket now. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 21, 2018 21:34:33 GMT
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 21, 2018 21:49:19 GMT
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 21, 2018 22:11:37 GMT
Pretty much summarised the position bob. I'll add "put up or shut up." In other words: if you have evidence, show it. If you don't, then stop making docos based on unsubstantiated allegations.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 22, 2018 20:36:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 22:26:22 GMT
Cmon AJ - since when have you ever known the ICC to NOT be idiots ? Idiotic Cricket Council. |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 23, 2018 13:44:11 GMT
Sri Lanka made 366 for 6 from their 50 overs.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 23, 2018 15:52:38 GMT
England's worst ever ODI loss (by 219 runs.)
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 23, 2018 16:00:24 GMT
England's worst ever ODI loss (by 219 runs.) Really? Will have to catch up with highlights. But they had already won the series so there was some lack of motivation. Still believe there is significant difference in quality between England and all other ODI teams. |
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 23, 2018 16:37:30 GMT
This is the reason why you can never confidently say England should win the WC. Out of the blue, they come up with a shocking result in ODI’s every now and then. Whilst South Africa are known chokers, England always find a way to lose a crucial game.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 24, 2018 12:59:18 GMT
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