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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 2:36:37 GMT
...is a heretical fraud.
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Post by geode on Mar 2, 2017 2:55:33 GMT
How so? Give some examples of how he is heretical. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 2, 2017 3:11:28 GMT
I remember my parents watching him back in the day. I used to enjoy some of the jokes he opened with. Beyond that he seemed a typically sleazy prosperity Gospel monger.
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 3:13:14 GMT
How so? Give some examples of how he is heretical. Basically, he preaches new age techniques. You could take one of his sermons and it could be taken directly out of the book The Secret. He never talks about sin or repentance. He is nothing more than a motivational speaker who perverts the gospel. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 2, 2017 3:23:07 GMT
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 13:42:27 GMT
The last thing that Christians want is to encourage prosperity, optimism, positive and proactive thinking and actions, etc?
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 13:49:59 GMT
The last thing that Christians want is to encourage prosperity, optimism, positive and proactive thinking and actions, etc? There is nothing wrong with having optimism or positive thinking. However, the fact is Joel Osteen leaves God pretty much out of the equation period he acts like God is some magic Genie who's going to Grant all of our wishes. There's no where in the Bible where God says that if you follow him you're going to have an easy and prosperous life. Many of the Apostles that followed Jesus did not have easy lives after that. Most of them ended up in jail, exiled, or killed in horrible ways. But I guess they just didn't hear about the power of I am |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 13:56:26 GMT
I don't know the answer to this, because it's not as if I follow Joel Osteen, but can we quote him saying that if you follow him you'll have an easy and prosperous life?
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 14:09:48 GMT
I don't know the answer to this, because it's not as if I follow Joel Osteen, but can we quote him saying that if you follow him you'll have an easy and prosperous life? Why don't you start believing that no matter what you have or haven't done, that your best days are still out in front of you. If we say it long enough eventually we're going to reap a harvest. We're going to get exactly what we're saying. Joel Osteen “If you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you These are just a few of the quotes. All of his sermons are about what we can get from God. There is never any talk about Sin, repentance, or sacrifice. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 14:32:18 GMT
I don't know the answer to this, because it's not as if I follow Joel Osteen, but can we quote him saying that if you follow him you'll have an easy and prosperous life? Why don't you start believing that no matter what you have or haven't done, that your best days are still out in front of you. If we say it long enough eventually we're going to reap a harvest. We're going to get exactly what we're saying. Joel Osteen “If you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you These are just a few of the quotes. All of his sermons are about what we can get from God. There is never any talk about Sin, repentance, or sacrifice. What you're quoting is identical in your view to him saying that if you follow him (God? Joel Osteen?) you'll have an easy and prosperous life? |
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 14:44:35 GMT
Why don't you start believing that no matter what you have or haven't done, that your best days are still out in front of you. If we say it long enough eventually we're going to reap a harvest. We're going to get exactly what we're saying. Joel Osteen “If you develop an image of victory, success, health, abundance, joy, peace, and happiness, nothing on earth will be able to hold those things from you These are just a few of the quotes. All of his sermons are about what we can get from God. There is never any talk about Sin, repentance, or sacrifice. What you're quoting is identical in your view to him saying that if you follow him (God? Joel Osteen?) you'll have an easy and prosperous life? Pretty much. When I say easy and prosperous I am doing a general summary of His sermons. It's all about what we can get from God. And if we just believe God will give us everything. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 14:47:16 GMT
What you're quoting is identical in your view to him saying that if you follow him (God? Joel Osteen?) you'll have an easy and prosperous life? Pretty much. When I say easy and prosperous I am doing a general summary of His sermons. It's all about what we can get from God. And if we just believe God will give us everything. That doesn't really seem like a fair place for criticism to emerge from though--a "general summary." In other words, you're giving us your interpretation more than something he's literally saying. But would you accept others' "general summaries" of the Bible, for example? |
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 14:52:36 GMT
Pretty much. When I say easy and prosperous I am doing a general summary of His sermons. It's all about what we can get from God. And if we just believe God will give us everything. That doesn't really seem like a fair place for criticism to emerge from though--a "general summary." In other words, you're giving us your interpretation more than something he's literally saying. But would you accept others' "general summaries" of the Bible, for example? Depends on the accuracy of the general summary. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 14:54:46 GMT
That doesn't really seem like a fair place for criticism to emerge from though--a "general summary." In other words, you're giving us your interpretation more than something he's literally saying. But would you accept others' "general summaries" of the Bible, for example? Depends on the accuracy of the general summary. That's why it's not a fair basis for criticism, though. You'll of course judge your own interpretations to be accurate. Others might not. And vice versa. |
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 14:56:10 GMT
Depends on the accuracy of the general summary. That's why it's not a fair basis for criticism, though. You'll of course judge your own interpretations to be accurate. Others might not. And vice versa. It is plenty fair. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Mar 2, 2017 15:06:31 GMT
That's why it's not a fair basis for criticism, though. You'll of course judge your own interpretations to be accurate. Others might not. And vice versa. It is plenty fair. Given this: "You'll of course judge your own interpretations to be accurate. Others might not. And vice versa." How is it fair? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 2, 2017 15:13:08 GMT
What you're quoting is identical in your view to him saying that if you follow him (God? Joel Osteen?) you'll have an easy and prosperous life? Pretty much. When I say easy and prosperous I am doing a general summary of His sermons. It's all about what we can get from God. And if we just believe God will give us everything. That's not real the same thing as an easy and prosperous life which I associate with happiness rather than wealth.
So I'm not sure Osteen preaches in the same way Trump's preacher does.
There are certainly scriptures in the Bible that denote prosperity with worship but worship is the primary component.
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 20:10:04 GMT
Given this: "You'll of course judge your own interpretations to be accurate. Others might not. And vice versa." How is it fair? There is nothing that Joel Osteen preaches that has any roots in Biblical teaching. He always talks about the power of I am. How we can change ourselves by just saying I am statements. Which there is absolutely nothing in the Bible to support that. That's not an interpretation that's a fact. And if you read the book The Secret, it says the exact same thing. What he is preaching is not Christianity. He may make a great motivational speaker. But when a preacher refuses to talk about Sin, repentance, even the sacrifice of Jesus, I can't call him a Christian preacher. |
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Post by OldSamVimes on Mar 2, 2017 20:17:30 GMT
If you feel that way then don't listen to him. I don't know or care who he is. |
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Post by dawglf on Mar 2, 2017 20:21:29 GMT
If you feel that way then don't listen to him. I don't know or care who he is. Thanks Sam for an absolutely pointless response |
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