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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 18, 2017 17:55:34 GMT
Roy Earle is the main character in: High Sierra(1941) and I Died a Thousand Times (1955) . Portrayed by Humphrey Bogart and Jack Palance. Taglines : The blazing mountain manhunt for Killer Mad-Dog Earle! The man of a thousand lives...and a crime in every one ! The Million-Dollar Killer And The Dime-A-Dance Doll...
Brief Summaries: HS : After being released from prison, notorious thief Roy Earle is hired by his old boss to help a group of inexperienced criminals plan and carry out the robbery of a California resort. 1000:When aging criminal Roy Earle is released from prison he decides to pull one last heist before retiring by robbing a resort hotel.
THE QUESTION:Can Roy Earle be legitimately called the VILLAIN in this film based on the fact that he is a criminal? |
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Post by neurosturgeon on Sept 18, 2017 18:07:59 GMT
I never thought of Roy Earle as portrayed by Bogart as a villain. He had criminal behavior but had a good side. I cried at his death and thought Pard the dog knew him for what he really was and showed it by licking his hand.
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Post by wmcclain on Sept 18, 2017 21:17:58 GMT
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Post by wmcclain on Sept 18, 2017 21:18:58 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 18, 2017 21:28:41 GMT
Colorado Territory : "Here their love brings them ... a man with a price on his head and a girl with a price on her kisses !" Yep, Wes McQueen fits this mold as well. Of course he would since I see now that it is a remake. rework ! Thanks for that link, wmcclain
In Colorado territory, outlaw Wes McQueen escapes jail to pull a railroad robbery but, upon meeting pretty settler Julie Ann, he wonders about going straight. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 18, 2017 22:13:41 GMT
I never thought of Roy Earle as portrayed by Bogart as a villain. He had criminal behavior but had a good side. I cried at his death and thought Pard the dog knew him for what he really was and showed it by licking his hand. Well, he's the protagonist; I suppose one could call him an anti-hero. But he's also a victim. The way I read it, the "crashing out" concept refers in a large sense to the life into which Roy has become trapped; Velma represents his aspirations for another kind of life, but he's doomed by the one he's led, so there's only one other way out. HEALY: "Big shot Earle. Well, well...look at him lying there. He ain't much now, is he?"
MARIE: "Mister, what does it mean when a man 'crashes out'?"
HEALY: "Crashes out? That's a funny question for you to ask now, Sister. It means he's free."
MARIE: "Free? Free..." |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 20, 2017 12:24:13 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 20, 2017 14:35:18 GMT
Other protagonists:
So is Cody Jarrett in White Heat the villain ?
Butch and Sundance in the Newman/Redford film ?
Bonnie and Clyde ?
Not saying one way or another how I see it.
Curious about what y'all think.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 20, 2020 4:59:07 GMT
Other protagonists: So is Cody Jarrett in White Heat the villain ? Butch and Sundance in the Newman/Redford film ? Bonnie and Clyde ? Not saying one way or another how I see it. Curious about what y'all think. still wondering 
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Post by politicidal on Dec 20, 2020 16:05:00 GMT
And I thought this was gonna have an L.A. Noire reference.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Dec 20, 2020 16:15:23 GMT
Other protagonists: So is Cody Jarrett in White Heat the villain ? Butch and Sundance in the Newman/Redford film ? Bonnie and Clyde ? Not saying one way or another how I see it. Curious about what y'all think. still wondering Seems to me the primary difference between Cody Jarrett and Earle or the others is one of audience identification. While Cody may at times appear pitiable, he's not someone for whom viewers are likely to feel compassion, sympathy or, in the case of Butch and Sundance, even affection. Cody and Ma are fascinating psychological studies, but they're cold-blooded monsters for whom no viewers are really likely to root. And unlike the authorities in the others, who are either anonymous or dislikable, White Heat provides a nominal "good guy" as a three-dimensional character in the form of Edmond O'Brien's undercover man with whom an audience can identify. Another aspect that may come into play is the fact that Butch, Sundance, Bonnie and Clyde were all real-life historical figures whose ultimate fates were generally known to viewers going in, and what the films do is explore what brought them to their inevitable downfalls. As fictional characters, the outcomes of Earle and Jarrett are uncertain, although an audience can sense in either case they're headed for a bad end. Just the same, there's an element of tragedy overlaid on Earle's that isn't present with Jarrett's. Make any sense?
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Post by london777 on Dec 20, 2020 22:25:43 GMT
Did you realize it was only a fictional movie and not a real-life documentary?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Dec 20, 2020 22:28:49 GMT
still wondering Seems to me the primary difference between Cody Jarrett and Earle or the others is one of audience identification. While Cody may at times appear pitiable, he's not someone for whom viewers are likely to feel compassion, sympathy or, in the case of Butch and Sundance, even affection. Cody and Ma are fascinating psychological studies, but they're cold-blooded monsters for whom no viewers are really likely to root. And unlike the authorities in the others, who are either anonymous or dislikable, White Heat provides a nominal "good guy" as a three-dimensional character in the form of Edmond O'Brien's undercover man with whom an audience can identify.
Another aspect that may come into play is the fact that Butch, Sundance, Bonnie and Clyde were all real-life historical figures whose ultimate fates were generally known to viewers going in, and what the films do is explore what brought them to their inevitable downfalls. As fictional characters, the outcomes of Earle and Jarrett are uncertain, although an audience can sense in either case they're headed for a bad end. Just the same, there's an element of tragedy overlaid on Earle's that isn't present with Jarrett's.
Make any sense? Shore does ! 
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