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Post by medjay on Sept 19, 2017 9:34:54 GMT
Instead of being ahead.
They used to give us titties when not everyone wanted them, violence when people were shocked by it, conspiracy theories when they were more obscure, antiwar movies when the public was rah rah.
Where is the citizen vs scummy journalist movie?
Where is the blockbuster about the US kicking ass with an allied Russia?
Where is the horror movie about an ex muslim being hunted by honor killers?
Where is the movie about scummy regulators?
There are new frontiers out there...
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2017 9:38:46 GMT
Instead of being ahead. They used to give us titties when not everyone wanted them, violence when people were shocked by it, conspiracy theories when they were more obscure, antiwar movies when the public was rah rah. Where is the citizen vs scummy journalist movie? Where is the blockbuster about the US kicking ass with an allied Russia? Where is the horror movie about an ex muslim being hunted by honor killers? Where is the movie about scummy regulators? There are new frontiers out there... You lament a time of generalised characteristics and compare them to the lack of specific storylines. Not comparable. |
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Post by medjay on Sept 19, 2017 10:13:05 GMT
Instead of being ahead. They used to give us titties when not everyone wanted them, violence when people were shocked by it, conspiracy theories when they were more obscure, antiwar movies when the public was rah rah. Where is the citizen vs scummy journalist movie? Where is the blockbuster about the US kicking ass with an allied Russia? Where is the horror movie about an ex muslim being hunted by honor killers? Where is the movie about scummy regulators? There are new frontiers out there... You lament a time of generalised characteristics and compare them to the lack of specific storylines. Not comparable. It's not hard to figure out what larger themes i am talking about. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2017 10:16:16 GMT
You lament a time of generalised characteristics and compare them to the lack of specific storylines. Not comparable. It's not hard to figure out what larger themes i am talking about. Why don't you enlighten us |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 19, 2017 10:19:27 GMT
I also noticed that stand-up comedians seem to be slower than normal to incorporate current events into their acts.
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Post by medjay on Sept 19, 2017 10:31:29 GMT
It's not hard to figure out what larger themes i am talking about. Why don't you enlighten us PM Station and he explains it to you. I made this thread on an another board an everyone got it. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2017 10:52:43 GMT
Why don't you enlighten us PM Station and he explains it to you. I made this thread on an another board an everyone got it. Why should I PM someone else to explain your thread...just link me your previous thread if you can't be bothered. For me it's a struggle to exactly understand what you are trying to say...movies had tits in them when the public didn't want them (when was this) so why are there no films about the USA/Russia aliied and kicking ass! |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 19, 2017 11:03:25 GMT
PM Station and he explains it to you. I made this thread on an another board an everyone got it. Why should I PM someone else to explain your thread...just link me your previous thread if you can't be bothered. For me it's a struggle to exactly understand what you are trying to say...movies had tits in them when the public didn't want them (when was this) so why are there no films about the USA/Russia aliied and kicking ass! The paragraph about titties is a bit murky--although I'm never going to object to a mention of titties, but the sentiment of the thread is on-target in my view. Hollywood seems to be slow recently making films that reflect recent social turmoil, that reflect our unusual political situation at the moment, etc. They don't have to be directly about those things, of course (although they can be). Many films have been allegories of social turmoil in the past, while overtly being something fantastical or whatever. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2017 12:50:58 GMT
Why should I PM someone else to explain your thread...just link me your previous thread if you can't be bothered. For me it's a struggle to exactly understand what you are trying to say...movies had tits in them when the public didn't want them (when was this) so why are there no films about the USA/Russia aliied and kicking ass! The paragraph about titties is a bit murky--although I'm never going to object to a mention of titties, but the sentiment of the thread is on-target in my view. Hollywood seems to be slow recently making films that reflect recent social turmoil, that reflect our unusual political situation at the moment, etc. They don't have to be directly about those things, of course (although they can be). Many films have been allegories of social turmoil in the past, while overtly being something fantastical or whatever. Well you could say Get Out and Detroit reflected something about todays society. Can't see how there not being films about the subject matters the OP mentioned would be "behind the public on the culture". USA kicking as with an Allied Russia. How does that reflect now? It was rarely reflected in the past when they actually joined forces in WWII? Where is the citizen vs scummy journalist movie? There have always been scummy journalists. Why would it be any different now except that a President has decided that they are Where is the horror movie about an ex muslim being hunted by honor killers? Is this something the public at large are yearning for and talking about. Where is the movie about scummy regulators? Have no idea what that is or whether it would make an interesting film. Maybe I just don't count as a member of the public. Or maybe I just don't share a certain political/social viewpoint of a certain group which the OP belongs to. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 19, 2017 13:05:01 GMT
Can't see how there not being films about the subject matters the OP mentioned would be "behind the public on the culture". Because in the past it was a different story. For example, here's a page that explains a handful of films' relationship to Vietnam: www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Romantic-Comedy-Yugoslavia/Vietnam-War-VETERANS-AND-ALLEGORIES-1964-1975.htmlThat doesn't exhaust the Vietnam response films, but it gives an example of something that was very common. Lots of filmmakers traditionally have wanted their work to be on the cutting edge of social, political, etc. commentary, even if they're doing it in a fairly veiled way, simply because that's something that's common for artists to want to do. They're engaged with the world, they're often quite passionately opinionated, and their means of expression is their artistic work. |
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2017 13:14:14 GMT
Can't see how there not being films about the subject matters the OP mentioned would be "behind the public on the culture". Because in the past it was a different story. For example, here's a page that explains a handful of films' relationship to Vietnam: www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Romantic-Comedy-Yugoslavia/Vietnam-War-VETERANS-AND-ALLEGORIES-1964-1975.htmlThat doesn't exhaust the Vietnam response films, but it gives an example of something that was very common. Lots of filmmakers traditionally have wanted their work to be on the cutting edge of social, political, etc. commentary, even if they're doing it in a fairly veiled way, simply because that's something that's common for artists to want to do. They're engaged with the world, they're often quite passionately opinionated, and their means of expression is their artistic work. I fully understand what you are saying and there a few better examples than the Vietnam war and it's portrayal, allegorical or otherwise in cinema. But the OPs examples...I don't see the relevance, or why we would expect to see them. What does he think should be reflected on the big screen. A certain political view? Films about those actual events? |
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Post by medjay on Sept 22, 2017 17:59:02 GMT
Because in the past it was a different story. For example, here's a page that explains a handful of films' relationship to Vietnam: www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Romantic-Comedy-Yugoslavia/Vietnam-War-VETERANS-AND-ALLEGORIES-1964-1975.htmlThat doesn't exhaust the Vietnam response films, but it gives an example of something that was very common. Lots of filmmakers traditionally have wanted their work to be on the cutting edge of social, political, etc. commentary, even if they're doing it in a fairly veiled way, simply because that's something that's common for artists to want to do. They're engaged with the world, they're often quite passionately opinionated, and their means of expression is their artistic work. I fully understand what you are saying and there a few better examples than the Vietnam war and it's portrayal, allegorical or otherwise in cinema. But the OPs examples...I don't see the relevance, or why we would expect to see them. What does he think should be reflected on the big screen. A certain political view? Films about those actual events? I gave examples, it's easy to conclude the themes. |
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Post by medjay on Sept 22, 2017 18:00:10 GMT
Because in the past it was a different story. For example, here's a page that explains a handful of films' relationship to Vietnam: www.filmreference.com/encyclopedia/Romantic-Comedy-Yugoslavia/Vietnam-War-VETERANS-AND-ALLEGORIES-1964-1975.htmlThat doesn't exhaust the Vietnam response films, but it gives an example of something that was very common. Lots of filmmakers traditionally have wanted their work to be on the cutting edge of social, political, etc. commentary, even if they're doing it in a fairly veiled way, simply because that's something that's common for artists to want to do. They're engaged with the world, they're often quite passionately opinionated, and their means of expression is their artistic work. I fully understand what you are saying and there a few better examples than the Vietnam war and it's portrayal, allegorical or otherwise in cinema. But the OPs examples...I don't see the relevance, or why we would expect to see them. What does he think should be reflected on the big screen. A certain political view? Films about those actual events? It easy to conclude the themes based on the examples. i explain in detail if you want it. |
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Post by hi224 on Sept 22, 2017 19:43:48 GMT
Seems like most socially relevant movies which reflect society came out 10-15 years ago although id say twin peaks: the return and black mirror do feasibly. Also how about gone girl, nightcrawler, and Disconnect.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 22, 2017 20:06:04 GMT
I also noticed that stand-up comedians seem to be slower than normal to incorporate current events into their acts. Maybe things change so fast in the 24 hour cycle these days. The term 'Yesterday's News' was never more apropos than it is today. Referencing something that happened three weeks ago is the equivalent of three years ago in decades past. People have moved on and the topic has been done (and memed) to death. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Sept 22, 2017 20:14:48 GMT
I'd say The Big Short was close to being a movie about 'scummy regulators.' The protagonists don't do anything to try to stop the impending calamity, they just convince each other to find ways to profit from it. I felt uneasy as it seemed the film was glorifying greed until at one point Brad Pitt's character chastises two of the other characters for celebrating what was essentially a bet against the American economy.
The Big Short is a brilliant film because it is equal parts entertaining and disturbing. I'm not saying the central characters are at fault for anything, or that anyone would have listened to them if they tried to warn the public on a larger scale. But if you're rooting for them solely in a feel-good way as you watch the film, you missed the larger tragedy of the situation.
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Post by hi224 on Sept 22, 2017 20:48:36 GMT
I'd say The Big Short was close to being a movie about 'scummy regulators.' The protagonists don't do anything to try to stop the impending calamity, they just convince each other to find ways to profit from it. I felt uneasy as it seemed the film was glorifying greed until at one point Brad Pitt's character chastises two of the other characters for celebrating what was essentially a bet against the American economy. The Big Short is a brilliant film because it is equal parts entertaining and disturbing. I'm not saying the central characters are at fault for anything, or that anyone would have listened to them if they tried to warn the public on a larger scale. But if you're rooting for them solely in a feel-good way as you watch the film, you missed the larger tragedy of the situation. Same regarding Margin Call as well. |
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Post by nausea on Sept 25, 2017 11:24:39 GMT
they condition people to do wht they do
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Post by medjay on Sept 26, 2017 7:50:24 GMT
I also noticed that stand-up comedians seem to be slower than normal to incorporate current events into their acts. Maybe things change so fast in the 24 hour cycle these days. The term 'Yesterday's News' was never more apropos than it is today. Referencing something that happened three weeks ago is the equivalent of three years ago in decades past. People have moved on and the topic has been done (and memed) to death. The memes get forgotten but the trends continue... |
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Post by poelzig on Sept 26, 2017 8:05:43 GMT
Instead of being ahead. They used to give us titties when not everyone wanted them, violence when people were shocked by it, conspiracy theories when they were more obscure, antiwar movies when the public was rah rah. Where is the citizen vs scummy journalist movie? Where is the blockbuster about the US kicking ass with an allied Russia? Where is the horror movie about an ex muslim being hunted by honor killers? Where is the movie about scummy regulators? There are new frontiers out there... Not everyone wants titties now but there has NEVER been a time when most straight men didn't want titties. |
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