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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 4:38:33 GMT
I've come around to being mixed on this. I do love the long format storytelling of the MCU, but I do see that the X-Men could survive with numerous great stories still to be told, without needing to weave them all together as though they were deeply dependent on one another.
Which format do you think works best, and would be most interesting?
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 2, 2017 6:10:38 GMT
Emulating the MCU is a bad idea. Even Deadpool writers think so.
Just look at the DCEU.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 16:56:58 GMT
Emulating the MCU is a bad idea. Even Deadpool writers think so. Just look at the DCEU. Just in case one of us is confused, I'm not advocating emulating the MCU. But it sounds like you are more pro making independent films with very loose continuity as opposed to any serious attempt at strong world building between franchises.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 16:59:29 GMT
Loosely connected. I hope DC adopts this strategy as well post-JL.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 2, 2017 17:04:40 GMT
Emulating the MCU is a bad idea. Even Deadpool writers think so. Just look at the DCEU. Just in case one of us is confused, I'm not advocating emulating the MCU. But it sounds like you are more pro making independent films with very loose continuity as opposed to any serious attempt at strong world building between franchises. I wouldn't mind that.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 17:08:04 GMT
Just in case one of us is confused, I'm not advocating emulating the MCU. But it sounds like you are more pro making independent films with very loose continuity as opposed to any serious attempt at strong world building between franchises. I wouldn't mind that. I understand, but I honestly can't say that I agree if that is better or worse. I know a lot of people who like just good films, but the comic medium to me is about seeing that long term plan revealed early on and knowing for years that something is coming. It takes away something for me not to have that.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 2, 2017 18:46:37 GMT
I agree. Deadpool, Legion, and Logan prove that not everything has to be bogged down by years of continuity to be successful. The irony of using Deadpool as an example is that Deadpool made fun of the X-men movies' continuity mess. They distanced themselves from it. They didn't do it because not caring about continuity is the best thing to do. They did it they didn't want to be a part of that mess of a series of movies. Also, remember, the DC tv series and movies are separate. So Legion being it's own thing isn't at all abnormal. And they said why they did it (because they didn't want mutants to be as open as the movies are).
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 2, 2017 18:51:37 GMT
I agree. Deadpool, Legion, and Logan prove that not everything has to be bogged down by years of continuity to be successful. The irony of using Deadpool as an example is that Deadpool made fun of the X-men movies' continuity mess. They distanced themselves from it. They didn't do it because not caring about continuity is the best thing to do. They did it they didn't want to be a part of that mess of a series of movies. Also, remember, the DC tv series and movies are separate. So Legion being it's own thing isn't at all abnormal. And they said why they did it (because they didn't want mutants to be as open as the movies are). What are you talking about? Ryan Reynolds brags for a team-up with Hugh's Wolverine. Tim Miller wanted the original actor for Colossus. The movie made a reference to the house blowing up in Apocalypse.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 2, 2017 18:51:40 GMT
I understand, but I honestly can't say that I agree if that is better or worse. I know a lot of people who like just good films, but the comic medium to me is about seeing that long term plan revealed early on and knowing for years that something is coming. It takes away something for me not to have that. To me, I don't think the X-men movies have to have this huge plan like having a decades worth of movies that end with the Messiah Complex or something. Just don't trample over the movies. Yeah, I'd have liked if they planned out the prequels so that Shaw (or even Mystique) was an agent of Apocalypse in First Class, but I'd rather a coherent series of movies. I'd like to watch this series of movies in an order and it makes sense.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 2, 2017 19:22:22 GMT
The irony of using Deadpool as an example is that Deadpool made fun of the X-men movies' continuity mess. They distanced themselves from it. They didn't do it because not caring about continuity is the best thing to do. They did it they didn't want to be a part of that mess of a series of movies. Also, remember, the DC tv series and movies are separate. So Legion being it's own thing isn't at all abnormal. And they said why they did it (because they didn't want mutants to be as open as the movies are). What are you talking about? Ryan Reynolds brags for a team-up with Hugh's Wolverine. Tim Miller wanted the original actor for Colossus. The movie made a reference to the house blowing up in Apocalypse. But it's still outside of that continuity looking in. He's in his own world where all of the continuity errors exist in one timeline. He has an X-men Origins Deadpool action figure when he is Deadpool. Because he brought Hugh Jackman's Wolverine into his world. But do you think having the actor from the other movies means he would have been the same Colossus? They obviously had a different idea on who Colossus would be. The people that made Deadpool are fans of the comics. They would have changed his look from what the metal form looked like in the X-men movies. They made references to most of the X-men movies. Like I said before: Deadpool is outside in.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 2, 2017 19:31:59 GMT
They will eventually have to do a hard reboot but right now I am happy with it being loosely connected and using the young cast of Xmen Apocalypse to further the story until it reaches the the late 90s when the original XMen came out. At that point they have no option but to press the master reset button.
The only reason I don't want a complete reboot is because the cast is too good to lose.
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Post by HorrorMetal on Mar 6, 2017 1:41:13 GMT
As much as I hate reboots, especially this soon, it's probably best that they wrap up the current continuity seeing as the last entry chronologically took place in the 80's and the timeline has almost caught up to the events of the first movie. Not much more they can do there without causing even more errors in continuity. They should start fresh and begin with featuring the original five members (Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Jean Grey).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 4:06:11 GMT
As much as I hate reboots, especially this soon, it's probably best that they wrap up the current continuity seeing as the last entry chronologically took place in the 80's and the timeline has almost caught up to the events of the first movie. Not much more they can do there without causing even more errors in continuity. They should start fresh and begin with featuring the original five members (Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Jean Grey). I agree, and grow from there with different franchises like X-Force, X-Factor, etc, and some solo films thrown in.
There are tons of stories left without going back to retreads even, from Fatal Attractions, Onslaught, Vulcan, Messiah Complex, the Shi'ar, House of M, and a bunch more. And they could even get in a solid version of Dark Phoenix instead and people would be all for it.
I wish they'd do it now before they use up most of these.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 6, 2017 12:11:27 GMT
As much as I hate reboots, especially this soon, it's probably best that they wrap up the current continuity seeing as the last entry chronologically took place in the 80's and the timeline has almost caught up to the events of the first movie. Not much more they can do there without causing even more errors in continuity. They should start fresh and begin with featuring the original five members (Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Jean Grey). No one cares about the original five era.
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Post by HorrorMetal on Mar 6, 2017 16:23:34 GMT
Yeah I'm sure that out of the BILLIONS of X-Men fans out there, not a single one of them wants to see the original lineup. Riiiiiiiiight!
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 6, 2017 16:26:22 GMT
Yeah I'm sure that out of the BILLIONS of X-Men fans out there, not a single one of them wants to see the original lineup. Riiiiiiiiight! Well, considering that run was unsuccessful...
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Post by sanddragon939 on Mar 7, 2017 14:59:56 GMT
For the next few years, I think they should steer clear of Wolverine.
They can continue the 'mainline' series with the 90's film, which is apparently the Dark Pheonix Saga, but might possibly include Mr. Sinister as well.
Deadpool should mostly continue to exist in its own wacky corner of the universe, but whoever they cast as Cable could (should) show up in other films.
New Mutants could also work as an interesting reboot...maybe a 'companion' of sorts to the 90's film with the main cast.
I think the last 'First Class' film so to speak should be a film set in the 2000's, telling a 'rebooted' version of the events of X1 (and throwing in a lot of other stuff as well) - and maybe that film could introduce a new Wolverine.
Also, the notion of Cable bringing a teenage X-23 back to the past is one I wouldn't mind them playing with at some point.
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Post by medjay on Mar 10, 2017 20:45:21 GMT
As much as I hate reboots, especially this soon, it's probably best that they wrap up the current continuity seeing as the last entry chronologically took place in the 80's and the timeline has almost caught up to the events of the first movie. Not much more they can do there without causing even more errors in continuity. They should start fresh and begin with featuring the original five members (Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Jean Grey). Can't we just have a new generation of X men? Please.
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