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Post by barkingbaphomet on Sept 21, 2017 0:29:17 GMT
more for the readers.
i'll go first.
1. Spider-Man 2. Ghost Rider 3. Shadowcat 4. Adam Warlock 5. Doctor Doom 6. Nightcrawler 7. the Green Goblin 8. the Thing 9. Captain America 10. Rocket Raccoon
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Post by King Conan on Sept 21, 2017 15:50:31 GMT
01. Punisher 02. Wolverine 03. Blade 04. Deadpool 05. Ghost Rider 06. Venom 07. Moon Knight 08. Carnage 09. Hellstorm 10. Elektra
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 22, 2017 0:24:52 GMT
1. Ghost Rider 2. Captain America 3. The Punisher 4. Storm 5. Spider-Man 6. Hulk 7. Wolverine 8. Iron Man 9. Thor 10. Wasp
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Post by HorrorMetal on Dec 3, 2018 15:43:37 GMT
1. Spider-Man 2. The Hulk 3. Wolverine 4. Iron Man 5. Human Torch 6. The Thing 7. Captain America 8. Thor 9. Green Goblin 10. Magneto
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 3, 2018 15:46:34 GMT
Iron Man Spider-Man Thor Captain America The Hulk The Fantastic 4 (I count them as 1) Wolverine Black Widow Namor She Hulk
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 15:51:08 GMT
Gambit Spiderman Venom Wolverine Magneto Apocalypse Rogue Storm Silver Surfer Cable
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 3, 2018 16:44:36 GMT
Hey, I was just mentioning this on the thread right above this one! Ain’t dat a coinkydink… I admit I haven’t read many comic-books, so most (not all) of my evaluations are based on what I’ve seen in other media. OK:
1. Spider-Man—the Marvel character par excellence. So much character there to be mined, so many possible stories, very human (a teenager in most interpretations), a great rogues’ gallery. He’s really Marvel’s version of Batman—not really in character, but just in how stories can be told about him. And the powers are a lot of fun: swinging rather than flying, for example, gives him power but also a sense of vulnerability (like Batman, he can fall). And of course Lee and Ditko’s Uncle Ben and “great power” speech have become part of the culture.
2. The Hulk—the movies always want to make him a hero, for understandable reasons, but making him a true monster (sometimes doing good things and sometimes doing bad) ratchets up the tension and the tragedy.
I’m rather fond of Ang Lee’s over-the-top 2003 Hulk, which doesn’t focus on action, or even on Hulk him/itself, but rather on dialogue and character (probably why many people hated the movie). The problem with Stevenson’s Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, which the film adaptations (and the musical) have rectified, is that we don’t see events from Jekyll’s point of view until the end—with Hulk, we have a chance to do Jekyll and Hyde with Jekyll as the central focus.
The problem is storytelling: the origin story can be read as a tragedy, but what does one do with the character after that? Best to keep him as Banner for most of it, tell a compelling story he gets mixed up in (mystery, comedy, horror, you name it), and turn him into the big guy at the end.
3. The Fantastic Four—what fun these characters are! You can put them into any kind of story and they’ll work, which is probably why the movies haven’t been able to get a handle on them (like Indiana Jones and Star Wars, the focus isn’t on the characters but, rather, the story around them—they’re outward-facing stories). Has anyone exploited the hilarious absurdity of a stoic, serious, grey-haired scientist getting stretching powers?
The Thing and Hulk are, of course, pretty much the same character, but the Human Torch (amazing powers in a capricious hothead) could be well done. The Invisible Woman should be a Mrs. Peel-esque character. You can do sci-fi, time-travel, mystery, horror, espionage, straightforward superhero action, anything with these guys.
4. Captain America—you’ve got to make him old-fashioned, a traditionalist in an age that has thrown tradition to the wayside. Making him dark and cynical loses the character, and (as the MCU picked up on) the ’40s atmosphere, while I love it, can’t be sustained for more than an origin story, or the character becomes rather dull (like a million other all-American wartime superheroes). So what’s left?
The freezing, though silly, is yet a brilliant story move, as it lets him loose in a world he doesn’t understand. He’s fighting for the old-fashioned virtues in a world he doesn’t recognize, and this sense unintentionally makes him a rebel—again, the MCU picked up on this. I think his arc has been the best in those movies, and I would pretty much write him the same way the MCU writers have written him. And I think it’s a great characterization.
Also, one has to focus on his vulnerabilities; flag-waving aside, he’s not Superman and shouldn’t be treated as superhuman.
4. Dr. Doom—just a great villain all-around. Look at that design! (Did it influence Darth Vader? I never thought about that before.) Listen to the paradoxically simple bombast of the name! (On the other hand, his “real name,” “Victor Von Doom,” is overly goofy and would probably have to be jettisoned.) He’s not as much a character as a visual icon, but how well one could make him Faustian: unlike his nemeses, the Fantastic Four, he could go searching for this power, while they gained it by accident.
5. Magneto—this one’s obvious. I’ve never been the greatest fan of the X-Men, but here’s a character who’s not evil as much as severely misguided—a classical scenario, as is making him the dark mirror of Prof. X. Characterizing him is almost an object-lesson in the dangers of radicalism.
6. Green Goblin—Spidey’s Joker. One of those great themed villains the comics do so well.
7. Namor, the Sub-Mariner—my grandfather read this character’s adventures in the ’40s; I admit I don’t know that much about him, but from what I’ve read he seems an improvement on DC’s Aquaman, a character I’ve never liked (but I hope the movie is good). I like the bizarre design, the anti-heroism, and the Atlantis setting (which I’d make incredibly strange-looking, like in Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis—not any other future-city underwater).
8. Daredevil—Catholic Batman! But Catholic Batman is seriously a great idea; one has to approach it almost from a Scorsesean perspective, put him more on mean streets, make him more realistic than Batman, balance it with the religion. Scorsese’s characters often have to choose between deciding to be priests and deciding to be mobsters; give the character the same dilemma, but between religion and superheroing. I admit I’ve never seen the TV show, but it looked good.
9. Cyclops—I don’t know why this is the X-Men character whom I like more than the others, but I certainly prefer him to Wolverine. Maybe because—like “Angel” and unlike Wolverine—he can’t stop his powers (Wolverine can retract his claws), and the laser beams come out of his eyes no matter what. It’s not a power one would really want to have, which curiously makes me connect with him more. The best Marvel characters have a degree of tragedy to them.
10. I’m not sure whom to include here. Uncle Ben? One of the cosmic villains at which Marvel excels? There have been some great Marvel characters—Iron Man, Dr. Octopus, Alexander Pierce—whom I liked largely because of the performances in the movies, not the characterizations themselves. (Redford’s Pierce would probably be the exception—a well-written and well-played character—but I don’t think he’s from the comics.) I’ve rambled enough that I suppose we can keep it at 9, though.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 16:57:54 GMT
9. Cyclops–I don’t know why this is the X-Men character whom I like more than the others, but I certainly prefer him to Wolverine. Maybe because–like “Angel” and unlike Wolverine–he can’t stop his powers (Wolverine can retract his claws), and the laser beams come out of his eyes no matter what. It’s not a power one would really want to have, which curiously makes me connect with him more. The best Marvel characters have a degree of tragedy to them. Whilst your appraisal on Cyclops is perfectly valid, I would argue the bolded in that Wolverines power is actually immortality that he cant stop. That means he has to suffer with loss of loved ones time after time whilst never aging himself, a crushing reality check in not getting too close to someone.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 3, 2018 17:04:58 GMT
9. Cyclops–I don’t know why this is the X-Men character whom I like more than the others, but I certainly prefer him to Wolverine. Maybe because–like “Angel” and unlike Wolverine–he can’t stop his powers (Wolverine can retract his claws), and the laser beams come out of his eyes no matter what. It’s not a power one would really want to have, which curiously makes me connect with him more. The best Marvel characters have a degree of tragedy to them. Whilst your appraisal on Cyclops is perfectly valid, I would argue the bolded in that Wolverines power is actually immortality that he cant stop. That means he has to suffer with loss of loved ones time after time whilst never aging himself, a crushing reality check in not getting too close to someone. Ah! I didn’t even know Wolverine was immortal: I knew he had some healing power, but I thought he could die of some huge, instant harm (like, I dunno, an explosion) or old age. But for some reason I don’t find the character compelling, though I should note that doesn’t have anything to do with how the films do the character. (My uncle, who watches all of these movies, really liked Logan and recommended it to me as a good story.) In theory, I don’t find Iron Man, the character, all that interesting, but I thought Downey did a great job in the three Iron Man flicks, and I liked the character and stories in those. I’m not sure why I don’t like Wolverine. When I tried (and failed) to watch X2, I found the character off-putting, and I found him boring even when he made guest appearances on the Spider-Man animated TV show I liked as a kid. Maybe because he’s so obviously a “gruff on the outside, good on the inside” anti-hero who yet (as far as I’ve seen) always acts heroically?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 3, 2018 17:47:31 GMT
Man, that's tough. Off the top of my head...
Daredevil Moon Knight Black Panther Captain America Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) Black Widow Iron Fist Longshot Spider-Man Thor
But this could change if I really sat down to think about it. Even as I type this I'm thinking of countless honorable mentions (Beast, Sub-Mariner, The Forgotten One, She-Hulk, the list goes on); a top ten is incredibly difficult considering how many Marvel characters I thoroughly enjoyed reading back in the day.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 3, 2018 17:53:53 GMT
Hey, I was just mentioning this on the thread right above it! Ain’t dat a coinkydink… I admit I haven’t read many comic-books, so most (not all) of my evaluations are based on what I’ve seen in other media. OK: 1. Spider-Man–the Marvel character par excellence. So much character there to be mined, so many possible stories, very human (a teenager in most interpretations), a great rogues’ gallery. He’s really Marvel’s version of Batman–not really in character, but just in how stories can be told about him. And the powers are a lot of fun: swinging rather than flying, for example, gives him power but also a sense of vulnerability (like Batman, he can fall). And of course Lee and Ditko’s Uncle Ben and “great power” speech have become part of the culture. 2. The Hulk–the movies always want to make him a hero, for understandable reasons, but making him a true monster (sometimes doing good things and sometimes doing bad) ratchets up the tension and the tragedy. I’m rather fond of Ang Lee’s over-the-top 2003 Hulk, which doesn’t focus on action, or even on Hulk him/itself, but rather on dialogue and character (why many people hated the movie). The problem with Stevenson’s “Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde,” which the film adaptations (and the musical) have rectified, is that we don’t see events from Jekyll’s point of view until the end–with Hulk, we have a chance to do Jekyll and Hyde with Jekyll as the central focus. The problem is storytelling–the origin story can be read as a tragedy, but what does one do with the character after that? Best to keep him as Banner for most of it, tell a compelling story he gets mixed up in (mystery, comedy, horror, you name it), and turn him into the big guy at the end. 3. The Fantastic Four–what fun these characters are! You can put them into any kind of story and they’ll work, which is probably why the movies haven’t been able to get a handle on them (like Indiana Jones and Star Wars, the focus isn’t on the characters but, rather, the story around them–they’re outward-facing stories). Has anyone exploited the hilarious absurdity of a stoic, serious, grey-haired scientist getting stretching powers? The Thing and Hulk are, of course, pretty much the same character, but the Human Torch (amazing powers in a capricious hothead) could be well done. The Invisible Woman should be a Mrs. Peel-esque character. You can do sci-fi, time-travel, mystery, horror, espionage, straightforward superhero action, anything with these guys. 4. Captain America–you’ve got to make him old-fashioned, a traditionalist in an age that has thrown tradition to the wayside. Making him dark and cynical loses the character, and (as the MCU picked up on) the ’40s atmosphere, while I love it, can’t be sustained for more than an origin story, or the character becomes rather dull (like a million other all-American wartime superheroes). So what’s left? The freezing, though silly, is yet a brilliant story move, as it lets him loose in a world he doesn’t understand. He’s fighting for the old-fashioned virtues in a world he doesn’t recognize, and this sense unintentionally makes him a rebel–again, the MCU picked up on this. I think his arc has been the best in those movies, and I would pretty much write him the same way the MCU writers have written him. And I think it’s a great characterization. Also, one has to focus on his vulnerabilities; flag-waving aside, he’s not Superman and shouldn’t be treated as superhuman. 4. Dr. Doom–just a great villain all-around. Look at that design! (Did it influence Darth Vader? I never thought about that before.) Listen to the paradoxically simple bombast of the name! (On the other hand, his “real name,” “Victor Von Doom,” is overly goofy and would probably have to be jettisoned.) He’s not as much a character as a visual icon, but how well one could make him Faustian–unlike his nemeses, the Fantastic Four, he could go searching for this power, while they gained it by accident. 5. Magneto–this one’s obvious. I’ve never been the greatest fan of the X-Men, but here’s a character who’s not evil as much as severely misguided–a classical scenario, as is making him the dark mirror of Prof. X. Characterizing him is almost an object-lesson in the dangers of radicalism. 6. Green Goblin–Spidey’s Joker. One of those great themed villains the comics do so well. 7. Namor, the Sub-Mariner–my grandfather read this character’s adventures in the ’40s; I admit I don’t know that much about him, but from what I’ve read he seems an improvement on DC’s Aquaman, a character I’ve never understood (but I hope the movie is good). I like the bizarre design, the anti-heroism, and the Atlantis setting (which I’d make incredibly strange-looking, like in Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis–not any other future-city underwater). 8. Daredevil–Catholic Batman! But Catholic Batman is seriously a great idea; one has to approach it almost from a Scorsesean perspective, put him more on mean streets, make him more realistic than Batman, balance it with the religion. Scorsese’s characters often have to choose between deciding to be priests and deciding to be mobsters; give the character the same dilemma, but between religion and superheroing. I admit I’ve never seen the TV show, but it looked good. 9. Cyclops–I don’t know why this is the X-Men character whom I like more than the others, but I certainly prefer him to Wolverine. Maybe because–like “Angel” and unlike Wolverine–he can’t stop his powers (Wolverine can retract his claws), and the laser beams come out of his eyes no matter what. It’s not a power one would really want to have, which curiously makes me connect with him more. The best Marvel characters have a degree of tragedy to them. 10. I’m not sure whom to include here. Uncle Ben? One of the cosmic villains at which Marvel excels? There have been some great Marvel characters–Iron Man, Dr. Octopus, Alexander Pierce–whom I liked largely because of the performances in the movies, not the characterizations themselves. (Redford’s Pierce would probably be the exception–a well-written and well-played character–but I don’t think he’s from the comics.) I’ve rambled enough that I suppose we can keep it at 9, though. Namor is a truly great character. I always enjoyed his presence on the Avengers but I gained a deeper appreciation for him after reading his 12 issue mini series from the 1980s. His series from the 90s was ahead of its time. It was less super-heroish than your standard solo title in that era.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 18:26:49 GMT
Whilst your appraisal on Cyclops is perfectly valid, I would argue the bolded in that Wolverines power is actually immortality that he cant stop. That means he has to suffer with loss of loved ones time after time whilst never aging himself, a crushing reality check in not getting too close to someone. Ah! I didn’t even know Wolverine was immortal: I knew he had some healing power, but I thought he could die of some huge, instant harm (like, I dunno, an explosion) or old age. But for some reason I don’t find the character compelling, though I should note that doesn’t have anything to do with how the films do the character. (My uncle, who watches all of these movies, really liked Logan and recommended it to me as a good story.) In theory, I don’t find Iron Man, the character, all that interesting, but I thought Downey did a great job in the three Iron Man flicks, and I liked the character and stories in those. I’m not sure why I don’t like Wolverine. When I tried (and failed) to watch X2, I found the character off-putting, and I found him boring even when he made guest appearances on the Spider-Man animated TV show I liked as a kid. Maybe because he’s so obviously a “gruff on the outside, good on the inside” anti-hero who yet (as far as I’ve seen) always acts heroically? Well not strictly immortal, I was being presumptuous. But he is more or less immortal for the sake of the argument. I think a lotta readers like Wolverine because he has the bad boy non conformist image wheras Cyclops is the teachers pet kinda guy.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 3, 2018 18:37:14 GMT
Ah! I didn’t even know Wolverine was immortal: I knew he had some healing power, but I thought he could die of some huge, instant harm (like, I dunno, an explosion) or old age. But for some reason I don’t find the character compelling, though I should note that doesn’t have anything to do with how the films do the character. (My uncle, who watches all of these movies, really liked Logan and recommended it to me as a good story.) In theory, I don’t find Iron Man, the character, all that interesting, but I thought Downey did a great job in the three Iron Man flicks, and I liked the character and stories in those. I’m not sure why I don’t like Wolverine. When I tried (and failed) to watch X2, I found the character off-putting, and I found him boring even when he made guest appearances on the Spider-Man animated TV show I liked as a kid. Maybe because he’s so obviously a “gruff on the outside, good on the inside” anti-hero who yet (as far as I’ve seen) always acts heroically? Well not strictly immortal, I was being presumptuous. But he is more or less immortal for the sake of the argument. I think a lotta readers like Wolverine because he has the bad boy non conformist image wheras Cyclops is the teachers pet kinda guy. Yeah, but for the sake of the argument aren’t they all immortal? They even brought Uncle Ben back! And I guess I just think the “bad boy non-conformist” is overdone–non-conformity can eventually be conformism, the unusual can become the new normal–as well as the fact that I sympathized more with Cyclops. I mean, imagine if the teacher’s pet is faced with a scenario where he disagrees so much with Teacher that he rebels (a scenario I’m sure they’ve done–the characters are made for such a thing). That’s a much more interesting situation than the bad boy doing the same thing.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 3, 2018 18:58:39 GMT
Hey, I was just mentioning this on the thread right above it! Ain’t dat a coinkydink… I admit I haven’t read many comic-books, so most (not all) of my evaluations are based on what I’ve seen in other media. OK: 1. Spider-Man–the Marvel character par excellence. So much character there to be mined, so many possible stories, very human (a teenager in most interpretations), a great rogues’ gallery. He’s really Marvel’s version of Batman–not really in character, but just in how stories can be told about him. And the powers are a lot of fun: swinging rather than flying, for example, gives him power but also a sense of vulnerability (like Batman, he can fall). And of course Lee and Ditko’s Uncle Ben and “great power” speech have become part of the culture. 2. The Hulk–the movies always want to make him a hero, for understandable reasons, but making him a true monster (sometimes doing good things and sometimes doing bad) ratchets up the tension and the tragedy. I’m rather fond of Ang Lee’s over-the-top 2003 Hulk, which doesn’t focus on action, or even on Hulk him/itself, but rather on dialogue and character (why many people hated the movie). The problem with Stevenson’s “Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde,” which the film adaptations (and the musical) have rectified, is that we don’t see events from Jekyll’s point of view until the end–with Hulk, we have a chance to do Jekyll and Hyde with Jekyll as the central focus. The problem is storytelling–the origin story can be read as a tragedy, but what does one do with the character after that? Best to keep him as Banner for most of it, tell a compelling story he gets mixed up in (mystery, comedy, horror, you name it), and turn him into the big guy at the end. 3. The Fantastic Four–what fun these characters are! You can put them into any kind of story and they’ll work, which is probably why the movies haven’t been able to get a handle on them (like Indiana Jones and Star Wars, the focus isn’t on the characters but, rather, the story around them–they’re outward-facing stories). Has anyone exploited the hilarious absurdity of a stoic, serious, grey-haired scientist getting stretching powers? The Thing and Hulk are, of course, pretty much the same character, but the Human Torch (amazing powers in a capricious hothead) could be well done. The Invisible Woman should be a Mrs. Peel-esque character. You can do sci-fi, time-travel, mystery, horror, espionage, straightforward superhero action, anything with these guys. 4. Captain America–you’ve got to make him old-fashioned, a traditionalist in an age that has thrown tradition to the wayside. Making him dark and cynical loses the character, and (as the MCU picked up on) the ’40s atmosphere, while I love it, can’t be sustained for more than an origin story, or the character becomes rather dull (like a million other all-American wartime superheroes). So what’s left? The freezing, though silly, is yet a brilliant story move, as it lets him loose in a world he doesn’t understand. He’s fighting for the old-fashioned virtues in a world he doesn’t recognize, and this sense unintentionally makes him a rebel–again, the MCU picked up on this. I think his arc has been the best in those movies, and I would pretty much write him the same way the MCU writers have written him. And I think it’s a great characterization. Also, one has to focus on his vulnerabilities; flag-waving aside, he’s not Superman and shouldn’t be treated as superhuman. 4. Dr. Doom–just a great villain all-around. Look at that design! (Did it influence Darth Vader? I never thought about that before.) Listen to the paradoxically simple bombast of the name! (On the other hand, his “real name,” “Victor Von Doom,” is overly goofy and would probably have to be jettisoned.) He’s not as much a character as a visual icon, but how well one could make him Faustian–unlike his nemeses, the Fantastic Four, he could go searching for this power, while they gained it by accident. 5. Magneto–this one’s obvious. I’ve never been the greatest fan of the X-Men, but here’s a character who’s not evil as much as severely misguided–a classical scenario, as is making him the dark mirror of Prof. X. Characterizing him is almost an object-lesson in the dangers of radicalism. 6. Green Goblin–Spidey’s Joker. One of those great themed villains the comics do so well. 7. Namor, the Sub-Mariner–my grandfather read this character’s adventures in the ’40s; I admit I don’t know that much about him, but from what I’ve read he seems an improvement on DC’s Aquaman, a character I’ve never understood (but I hope the movie is good). I like the bizarre design, the anti-heroism, and the Atlantis setting (which I’d make incredibly strange-looking, like in Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis–not any other future-city underwater). 8. Daredevil–Catholic Batman! But Catholic Batman is seriously a great idea; one has to approach it almost from a Scorsesean perspective, put him more on mean streets, make him more realistic than Batman, balance it with the religion. Scorsese’s characters often have to choose between deciding to be priests and deciding to be mobsters; give the character the same dilemma, but between religion and superheroing. I admit I’ve never seen the TV show, but it looked good. 9. Cyclops–I don’t know why this is the X-Men character whom I like more than the others, but I certainly prefer him to Wolverine. Maybe because–like “Angel” and unlike Wolverine–he can’t stop his powers (Wolverine can retract his claws), and the laser beams come out of his eyes no matter what. It’s not a power one would really want to have, which curiously makes me connect with him more. The best Marvel characters have a degree of tragedy to them.10. I’m not sure whom to include here. Uncle Ben? One of the cosmic villains at which Marvel excels? There have been some great Marvel characters–Iron Man, Dr. Octopus, Alexander Pierce–whom I liked largely because of the performances in the movies, not the characterizations themselves. (Redford’s Pierce would probably be the exception–a well-written and well-played character–but I don’t think he’s from the comics.) I’ve rambled enough that I suppose we can keep it at 9, though. Namor is a truly great character. I always enjoyed his presence on the Avengers but I gained a deeper appreciation for him after reading his 12 issue mini series from the 1980s. His series from the 90s was ahead of its time. It was less super-heroish than your standard solo title in that era. In many ways, Cyclops is a far more tragic figure than Wolverine is continuously made out to be. If the canon gods haven't switched it up on me, I believe that the involuntary nature of his powers has something to do with a brain injury sustained early on during his childhood. He's one of the few mutants in X-Men lore that does not have a power that operates as it was designed to due to irreversible brain damage. He doesn't have any secondary mutations, and he is not ridiculously overpowered to omega-levels which forces him to use his (damaged) brain just as much as he uses his powers.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 3, 2018 19:01:57 GMT
In many ways, Cyclops is a far more tragic figure than Wolverine is continuously made out to be. If the canon gods haven't switched it up on me, I believe that the involuntary nature of his powers has something to do with a brain injury sustained early on during his childhood. He's one of the few mutants in X-Men lore that does not have a power that operates as it was designed to due to irreversible brain damage. He doesn't have any secondary mutations, and he is not ridiculously overpowered to omega-levels which forces him to use his (damaged) brain just as much as he uses his powers. What he said!
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Post by charzhino on Dec 3, 2018 19:03:30 GMT
I mean, imagine if the teacher’s pet is faced with a scenario where he disagrees so much with Teacher that he rebels (a scenario I’m sure they’ve done–the characters are made for such a thing). That’s a much more interesting situation than the bad boy doing the same thing. Yeah I agree with you, it depends on your own personality and which you relate with more. Since Xmen is a rich library of very diverse characters from a range of different ethnic, social, religious and cultural backgrounds all united by a common struggle there are ample characters for the readers to see which one fits their own mindset the best and thats a big reason why Xmen to me is more appealing to any othr comic property. And you guessed right there are stories where Cyclops is at odds with Xavier. Cyclops has felt Xavier in instances is pushing the team too hard and overprotective wheras Cyclops himself wants to lead the team in his own directional leadership but is struggling to have the confidence to cut out Xavier and give him a back seat because the Xmen are Xaviers life and soul.
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Post by havenless on Dec 3, 2018 21:43:02 GMT
Gambit Spiderman Venom Wolverine Magneto Apocalypse Rogue Storm Silver Surfer Cable Dude what is your problem with the X-Men? ZERO original X-Men deserve to be on the list?! Pick up a comic book or watch a Fox-Men movie and get a clue. Hater.
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Post by Lee on Dec 3, 2018 22:04:41 GMT
Shang-Chi Iron Fist Daredevil Punisher Moon Knight Nick Fury Wolverine Black Widow Elektra Black Panther
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 3, 2018 22:28:12 GMT
Thinking in terms of cultural impact and artistic significance.
Spider-man The Hulk Doctor Doom Captain America Daredevil The Human Torch The Thing Dormammu
The last two are trickier. Arguably Namor should be there given that he goes back to the 1940s, and the Black Panther stands out just in costume design. It's a toss up between them for 9. I like the Ghost Rider, but I suspect there had been earlier skeleton warrior characters in comics so I am hesitant to include him.
Why not Dr Strange? Because he is too much like Mandrake and other earlier sorcerer characters.
Dormammu on the other hand is fairly unique for the time--a supernatural alter dimension character (with a flaming head)--so I feel he deserves a place--since he influenced many other alternate dimension villains.
But then what about women? Of all the Marvel heroines, who has the most cultural impact? Sorry Black Widow, you are just a rip off of Emma Peel.
I have to go with the Wasp for the miniaturization powers (although isn't she really just Tinkerbell?) however I am not satisfied with the answer. I am tempted to say Red Sonja but since she is mostly associated with Conan despite being a Marvel creation I can't really add her.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 3, 2018 22:39:51 GMT
Primemovermithrax Pejorative, was Black Widow really intended as a knock-off of Mrs. Peel? I’d seriously recommended that they do that with Sue Storm for Fantastic Four (the Emma to Reed’s Steed), but I’d never heard Black Widow was supposed to be like Emma Peel. On the other hand, I don’t know the character at all outside the movies, where she’s not played anything like Emma.
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