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Post by theoncomingstorm on Sept 24, 2017 19:05:04 GMT
The ungodly trolls on this board won't like it because it clashes with their boring and materialistic narrative, but I don't care, because anything that ruins their day is fine by me. Nice to see you are still showing such warm Christian compassion towards unbelievers. Stop trying to control Erjen's thoughts, you Nazi!
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 24, 2017 19:11:45 GMT
Nice to see you are still showing such warm Christian compassion towards unbelievers. Stop trying to control Erjen's thoughts, you Nazi! Was ist los? Verstehen Sie nicht? Erjen ist ein dumkopf!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 24, 2017 21:37:13 GMT
The ungodly trolls on this board won't like it because it clashes with their boring and materialistic narrative, but I don't care, because anything that ruins their day is fine by me. Nice to see you are still showing such warm Christian compassion towards unbelievers. Their unbelief isn't the issue. Rather it's what they are doing on this forum that is the issue......but you knew that already.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 24, 2017 21:49:40 GMT
It's very difficult for most people to believe in "divine" intervention, especially when explaining a simple event as "coincidence is extremely easy... Such as: a group of people travelling together on a bus, which then gets a flat tire, which results in everyone being late... But, when there is an unusual event of a large group of people, scattered all over town, ALL being late in arriving to the same place, because of their own unique reasons... That get's much harder to write off as "coincidence"... You'll NEVER convince the members of the 1950 West End Baptist Church choir that "Coincidence" saved their lives when their church exploded, only two minutes after they were all supposed to be there, because they were ALL late. unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/West_End_Baptist_ChurchEven most skeptics would have to, even if for a split second, have to wonder about this event! But, No matter what happened, the most important things is, at least no one was killed! I myself am not sure what to believe when it comes to "coincidences"... But, if "divine" intervention really does occur... Then I do believe it happened with 1950 West End Baptist Church choir! Why would someone believe that "divine intervention" made everyone late when it could have simply made the explosion not happen? It seems like there's actually a belief that some things are unavoidable, but other things are planned in great detail, even though they don't seem to be, in a manipulative way centered around the unavoidable stuff. But why would that be? What sort of deity or puppet-master aliens or just what sort of ontology are folks positing given this?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 24, 2017 21:57:47 GMT
I'd say, by definition.... Y-yes? I figured if anyone caught that it would be you, or maybe Marv. All my life the word "coincidence" has been nearly synonymous with "random." So I decided to leave the thread title as-is and see if anyone noticed.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 24, 2017 22:09:07 GMT
Do you know anything about the Battle of Midway in 1942? The Japanese would have won that battle if not for a series of coincidences that the Americans did not foresee. Don't you think that's interesting? I think it's interesting. Oh yes, the battle of Midway is a fascinating one. Although my favourite Naval battles are the River Plate and the Bismarck battle. Midway had a great movie made about it, too. There's allegedly a remake on the way by Roland Emmerich, which I'm sure will suck great big sweaty elephant balls. If memory serves, the battle with the Bismarck and the Hood was the Battle of Denmark Strait. Bad day for the RN. As for River Plate, that never should have happened. The captain of the Graf Spee had orders to run from British warships, and he chose to fight them. Did not know about the Midway remake. The only thing I didn't like about the original was them using the wrong kinds of airplanes in the stock footage scenes. The Marines on Midway flew Vought Vindicators, but in the movie the Navy is using them too instead of the Douglas Devastators they actually used. And the scene at the end when Heston crashes was actually a jet from the Korean War era.
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 24, 2017 22:28:34 GMT
Why would someone believe that "divine intervention" made everyone late when it could have simply made the explosion not happen? If God simply stopped the church from exploding, everyone in the choir would have arrived on time, and no one would have ever realized that anything was out of the ordinary and "divine intervention" had occurred. It would have been just be another Cold Sunday in the history of the Church. Some people believe that God provides evidence of his existence in mysterious ways... and in this case, God allowed the church to explode, but saved the entire choir, to provide that evidence of his existence. Believe It... or Not...
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Post by Cinemachinery on Sept 24, 2017 22:47:55 GMT
I actually read that in Jack Palance's voice. Well played.
It's a good point, though - if God simply prevented tragedies we'd never know they could have occurred and wouldn't notice a thing about it. Maybe the occasional church has to get torched just as a sort of "SEE? I'M DOING STUFF!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 22:50:53 GMT
Oh yes, the battle of Midway is a fascinating one. Although my favourite Naval battles are the River Plate and the Bismarck battle. Midway had a great movie made about it, too. There's allegedly a remake on the way by Roland Emmerich, which I'm sure will suck great big sweaty elephant balls. If memory serves, the battle with the Bismarck and the Hood was the Battle of Denmark Strait. Bad day for the RN. Yep. And luck played a huge part. Hood was closing when she was hit, and if she'd avoided that hit for another minute or two she would have been too close for plunging fire into the thin top armour, and the battle may have turned out very differently. But that's the trouble with battlecruisers - even the experts tend to think of them as just being faster battleships, which they are not. But then luck played a part in the fate of the Bismarck too, of course. If not for one lucky torpedo hit that jammed the steering gear, she would probably have made it back to Germany. Langsdorff's aircraft was out of service, so he was reliant on shipboard lookouts. When he first sighted the British cruisers on the horizon he took them for Destroyers and figured they were escorting a convoy. Getting into a convoy would be a major coup for him, obviously. By the time he realised that he was up against three cruisers, he had no way to escape action - all three British ships had a 3-4 knot advantage over him, so if he turned to run they'd either catch up and open fire, or at least tail him whilst broadcasting his location to every British ship for thousands of miles around. Yeah, war movies of the time were notorious for that kind of thing. Hell, even the Pearl Harbor movie had all sorts of weirdness going on in that department, and that had modern special effects.
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 24, 2017 23:15:13 GMT
tpfkar I figured if anyone caught that it would be you, or maybe Marv. All my life the word "coincidence" has been nearly synonymous with "random." So I decided to leave the thread title as-is and see if anyone noticed. The stealth wordplay was positively penetrating. I don't know if it's the moon or not. Just asking.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 25, 2017 10:19:19 GMT
Why would someone believe that "divine intervention" made everyone late when it could have simply made the explosion not happen? If God simply stopped the church from exploding, everyone in the choir would have arrived on time, and no one would have ever realized that anything was out of the ordinary and "divine intervention" had occurred. It would have been just be another Cold Sunday in the history of the Church. Some people believe that God provides evidence of his existence in mysterious ways... and in this case, God allowed the church to explode, but saved the entire choir, to provide that evidence of his existence. Believe It... or Not... You can't suppose that God would be unable to make it so that we'd know that he stopped an explosion from occurring though--at least in the same sort of "mysterious evidence" manner. What sort of God would that be?
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Post by phludowin on Sept 25, 2017 11:47:31 GMT
If God simply stopped the church from exploding, everyone in the choir would have arrived on time, and no one would have ever realized that anything was out of the ordinary and "divine intervention" had occurred. It would have been just be another Cold Sunday in the history of the Church. Some people believe that God provides evidence of his existence in mysterious ways... and in this case, God allowed the church to explode, but saved the entire choir, to provide that evidence of his existence. Believe It... or Not... Not a difficult choice. Don't believe it. It's obvious to me that whoever argues for "divine intervention" when seemingly bizarre coincidences occur, has no idea on how probabilities work. In fact, all these supposedly miraculous events aren't more miraculous than the cases of children dying because they were left in a car. The difference is that in the first case, people with limited intelligence argue for God; in the second case, they guilt-trip the parents. If I was dictator of the world, I would make it mandatory for those people with limited intelligence to read books on probability and prove that they understand them. But maybe it's a good thing that I am not dictator of the world.
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