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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 20:10:34 GMT
Lets say that the average person from 1317 and the average person from 2017 switched places. The person from 1317 would be in 2017, and the person from 2017 would end back in 1317. So who do you think would have the hardest time adapting the person from 1317 or the person from 2017 ?
And lets say that they are both British from Colchester.
I think both would have a very hard time adapting, But i do think it would be a bit tougher for the person from 2017 to adapt to 1317 than it would be for a person from 1317 to adapt to life in 2017
What do you think ?
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Post by politicidal on Sept 25, 2017 21:28:47 GMT
The person from 2017 compared with the one from 1317. Life was already hell at that time so what is going on right now for most of the world is business as usual for the 14th century inhabitant.
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Post by MCDemuth on Sept 25, 2017 21:52:03 GMT
Not sure what that means or how that would apply to your scenario... But, as for the "average" person on the planet... I believe that some one from 1317 would be frighted by all of our concepts and knowledge, and would have a difficult time figuring out how to use our modern day technology. That person might also not enjoy being crowded by a large population, and would NOT want to live in a big city. This kind of reminds me of the movie: "Just Visiting" (2001) : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Visiting_(film)I believe that some one from 2017 would have difficulty with having to do without modern day technology, and having to live a more physical life, that would probably involve a lot of farming, to grow your own food. Winter and Summer would be harder to deal with with out central heat and air conditioning. It would be a much darker way a living without electricity and light bulbs, and having to use candles and torches. Hopefully they happened to bring their 2017 sneakers with them, because they would have to do a lot of walking to get to where ever they were going, unless they could ride a horse. I think someone from 2017 would eventually be able to adapt to being in 1317... But, I personally think someone from 1317, would never be able to fully adapt to 2017, because it would just be too much and overwhelming for them... I did note, the "Average" person... there could be some exceptions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 21:56:13 GMT
Not sure what that means or how that would apply to your scenario... It means that the person is British and from Colchester. I put it in because to have a location for them to live in. That is all
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 25, 2017 22:01:02 GMT
Have to ask. Are they aware of how and why they are time switched ? If just suddenly picked up and switched they will both spend all their energies trying to figure out what in heck happened to them.
That being said : 2017s would miss the convenience of 2000s but if aware of why and how he was transported back in time, he could be able to cope. People always say they want to go back to a "simpler time". IF he is still aware of basic sanitation and health care, he should be ok. 1317s. Even if he knew why and how and was prepared for the switch, I too think he would be overwhelmed. Sensory input overload alone could do him in
Why Colchester of all places ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:03:54 GMT
Have to ask. Are they aware of how and why they are time switched ? If just suddenly picked up and switched they will both spend all their energies trying to figure out what in heck happened to them.
Why Colchester of all places ? Yes they are aware of how and why they switiched There is no reason for Colchester really it was just the first place that popped into my head.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 25, 2017 22:14:58 GMT
K. I thought that them knowing how and why would have to come into the scenario somehow. So did they both volunteer for the experiment ? Hard to image someone in 1317 being recruited for this task. Who would be heading it?
Colchester would not be the first place that popped into my head, ever ! Thinking too hard to think of where would be. Thanks. Another mindworm, just what I needed !
I know someone who might like this puzzle : ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh Nalkarj time to whistle as well ya think ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:22:19 GMT
So did they both volunteer for the experiment ? Hard to image someone in 1317 being recruited for this task. Who would be heading it? I have not really given it that much thought. But lets say they volunteered and that lets just say that Jesus is real and Jesus is the one that recuted them. And that Jesus is heading it
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 25, 2017 22:46:39 GMT
time to whistle as well ya think ? You rang? Feologild Oakes , I'm more than willing to do hypotheticals, but this is a kinda weird one, no? I'm not British and don't know that much about Colchester, so I'll leave that off to one side. In terms of the general question: The person from 1317 would not like the modern world. He would think we're all crazed, and decadent, and probably élitist, and probably foolish (which may all be true, by the by ).. But--and this is a big but--I think he could get by. He would probably let out some 14th century swear word upon seeing a car--he certainly wouldn't think it's some kind of monster, as popular culture would have you believe he'd do. He may think it's witchcraft that brought him it, but he's more likely to be pretty skeptical about it, being a strong, sober (in the non-alcohol-related sense of the word) type of yeoman. He'd escape to the country, where he'd find other people who have tried to hold on to their traditions. He'd try like anything to get home, but he wouldn't descend into Sartrian ennui just because he's not in his time. I think the person from the modern era would not be able to deal with 1317, unless he loves history, adapts easily, or is not enamoured of his own time. He'd probably think others naïve and provincial, and they'd laugh at him for doing so. He'd expect material objects and complain a lot, but--more than that (and I'm not discounting how much we've grown accustomed to these trappings of modern society, iPhones and computers and these other material extravagances to which we devote so much of our lives)--he'd expect rights. This is where the modern is so different from previous generations. He wants things given him, privileges accorded him, expectations that he can do what he'd like and other people could, should, and would support him. 14th century individuals would laugh at him for that, and I don't think he could deal with the kind of labor and lack of rights or privileges that the 14th century would offer. He may well lapse in Sartrian ennui. (And, yes, I've been reading about Sartre recently--specifically Sir Roger Scruton's book sharply criticizing Sartre. Highly recommended.) Are you sorry you asked now, Bat? Seriously, I'm fascinated by this stuff, odd hypothetical though it may be. Have you been watching Berkeley Square by any chance, Feologild?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 22:55:21 GMT
. Have you been watching Berkeley Square by any chance, Feologild? Never heard of Berkeley Square so no.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 25, 2017 23:06:37 GMT
NalkarjNever sorry to ring the Nalkarj doorbell.
I always need background in these hypotheticals and I find that they are usually not available. Whos / hows / whys. I feel that the fact that they apparently volunteered for the switch would change how they react. Surely they were both given some information on what to expect so they knew what they were getting into. BUT ... who in the 1317 recruiting office could be aware of the 21st century so that they can explain what is to come ?
Dramamine might help that dizzy feeling you are experiencing. Glass of water perhaps? A brandy ?
FWIW your reasoning made sense but if they were made aware that they were to time travel (however that was accomplished) are they not aware that they will be goin back where they belong and not spending time worrying about the how? Too many unanswered questions. Pass the brandy please.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 23:10:19 GMT
Oh they are not going back. Its a one way trip.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 25, 2017 23:14:50 GMT
Oh they are not going back. Its a one way trip. See. That's why these details are needed to be worked out BEFORE you post ! Whole 'nuther kettle of Lute Fiske.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 10:00:02 GMT
Or it could be that you are just overthinking it.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 26, 2017 13:05:43 GMT
Or it could be that you are just overthinking it. Overthinking is not usually one of my skills (according to some who claim that they know).
But seriously, more detail in future scenarios would might help .
Gee, I thought that the Lute Fiske reference might have elicited a small smirk if not a smile.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 13:08:51 GMT
I am beyond any form of human emotion.
Anyway i don`t like lute fisk
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 26, 2017 13:14:53 GMT
Anyway i don`t like lute fisk
It's hard to imagine that anyone does !
Yet in the midwesterrn US they have church socials and serve it as a big money raiser. Fortunately they have alternate actual food to eat as well.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 26, 2017 20:36:25 GMT
Ok then. Seems that the serial thread killer virus has struck again.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 27, 2017 0:00:51 GMT
Lets say that the average person from 1317 and the average person from 2017 switched places. The person from 1317 would be in 2017, and the person from 2017 would end back in 1317. So who do you think would have the hardest time adapting the person from 1317 or the person from 2017 ? And lets say that they are both British from Colchester. I think both would have a very hard time adapting, But i do think it would be a bit tougher for the person from 2017 to adapt to 1317 than it would be for a person from 1317 to adapt to life in 2017 What do you think ? I don't know about the British Colchester part, but I think I know why you're saying that it would be harder for the person from the future. They would have to learn things in order to live that we don't usually do today, like live off the land, etc. Also, there were things like the black plague which we no longer have an immunity to.
But think of this: At least the person from the future has a frame of reference to work from. We've seen movies about the past, read books about the past, know what to expect since we have some knowledge about the past. Heck, some of us even still know how to go out into the woods and live off the land. Some of us don't very much like modern technology like computers and cell phones and wouldn't find it hard to live life without it. I'm old enough to remember life without those.
The person from the past would not know how to drive, would not even know what a car is. Would not know what a gun is. Would not know our socio-economic systems. How would they make money? How would they do anything without a social security number or a telephone?
In the past you could just show up some place, say you're a travelling wanderer and start working someone's farm. If you tried doing that now you'd need all sorts of ID or be considered a homeless person and end up in jail. And certainly even a modern day laypersons knowledge of medical practices is better than applying leeches.
No, I think the person from the future might fare much better than you think.
Except for the dragons. There's no defense against that. I'm glad they did away with those. We never would have been able to build skyscrapers and the such. And forget about airplanes! The dragons would have been a problem.
But I for one would absolutely NOT want to go back in time. You break a bone and you die!? wtf? I like modern hospitals. And also I'm pretty sure I would never want to be run through with a sword. Nope. Not for me.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 27, 2017 0:23:39 GMT
If dragons even came up in the recruitment office I bet it was this kind: and not one like this: good point about the dragons, lenlenlen1
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