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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 30, 2017 7:00:26 GMT
Yup, and MCU haters never tell us what the "MCU formula" is. And nothing is more kiddier than becoming best friends because their moms have the same name. Nothing is more kiddie than Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer being defeated by a Dance-Off. Ronan did not get defeated by a dance-off, Star-Lord was distracting him so Rocket could shoot the Infinity Stone out of his staff. Shows that you didn't understand the movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 30, 2017 10:46:08 GMT
Yeah, in your opinion, but majority agrees the MCU makes better movies. They're not better and nothing will ever be as kiddie as "MARTHA!" Nothing will ever be as kiddie as Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer being defeated by a silly Dance-Off. He wasn't. Ronan was defeated by an Infinity Stone.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 30, 2017 16:03:13 GMT
That makes it worse.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 30, 2017 17:50:15 GMT
So they're saying that Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer, the guy whom MCU's big bad villain Thanos calls on to get the job done, is nothing but a Biff-clone who falls for the Marty McFly "Hey look, what's that over there?" trick?
If MCU villains are so easily defeated by silly Dance-Offs, how will Thanos be defeated in Infinity War?
A cooking contest?
An Easter egg decorating contest?
A hot dog eating contest?
A karoke contest?
An origami contest?
A Rock-Paper-Scissors showdown?
A Spelling Bee?
Tic-Tac-Toe?
Dance-Off, Round 2?
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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 30, 2017 18:00:54 GMT
So they're saying that Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer, the guy whom MCU's big bad villain Thanos calls on to get the job done, is nothing but a Biff-clone who falls for the Marty McFly "Hey look, what's that over there?" trick?
If MCU villains are so easily defeated by silly Dance-Offs, how will Thanos be defeated in Infinity War?
A cooking contest?
An Easter egg decorating contest?
A hot dog eating contest?
A karoke contest?
An origami contest?
A Rock-Paper-Scissors showdown?
A Spelling Bee?
Tic-Tac-Toe?
Dance-Off, Round 2?
Thanos is the purple CGI-blob who appears in credit sequences fuming when his guys have lost, right? He is so silly, I do not even care how he will be defeated.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 30, 2017 23:46:02 GMT
So they're saying that Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer, the guy whom MCU's big bad villain Thanos calls on to get the job done, is nothing but a Biff-clone who falls for the Marty McFly "Hey look, what's that over there?" trick? Distractions are a tried and true method of overcoming a foe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 0:17:08 GMT
So they're saying that Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer, the guy whom MCU's big bad villain Thanos calls on to get the job done, is nothing but a Biff-clone who falls for the Marty McFly "Hey look, what's that over there?" trick? Distractions are a tried and true method of overcoming a foe. Its amazing how DCEU and prequel fans can't seem to grasp that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 4:26:12 GMT
So they're saying that Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer, the guy whom MCU's big bad villain Thanos calls on to get the job done, is nothing but a Biff-clone who falls for the Marty McFly "Hey look, what's that over there?" trick?
If MCU villains are so easily defeated by silly Dance-Offs, how will Thanos be defeated in Infinity War?
A cooking contest?
An Easter egg decorating contest?
A hot dog eating contest?
A karoke contest?
An origami contest?
A Rock-Paper-Scissors showdown?
A Spelling Bee?
Tic-Tac-Toe?
Dance-Off, Round 2?
An actual fight because you guys just can't seems to let go of that one scene, in one movie, 3 years ago; when MCU movies released after it had the villain defeated in an actual fight.
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Post by leesilm on Oct 1, 2017 4:40:05 GMT
I actually prefer the smaller character-centric Marvel movies (CA:TFA, CA:WS, T:TDW, etc.) to the bigger ones (A:AOU, CA:CW), so if DC chose to stay somewhat smaller, it wouldn't bother me. Besides, WW was butt-kicking! Give me 10 WW films, I'd be fine. The larger movies gives the MCU a balance that DC won't have is what he's saying. Only having the small movies with nothing to ever build past that, just isn't the same. Also, I would like honestly asks why you would want 10 of that kind of ww film that we got. Where is the rewatch value in it? It was rather uneventful if you ask me, so I'm not really sure why anybody thought it was any more than passable. (Running on 4 hours sleep over 3 days, so if I am a bit fuzzy in explaining- I apologize in advance. Insomnia is wicked.) I get the balance, I just don't find the movies- as you say- to have much of a rewatch value. Don't get me wrong, I love Steve Rogers and I will personally tell a Team Stark person all the reasons Stark's an idiot/jerk/etc., but I watched CIVIL WAR once in theatres, I got the video, and I haven't watched it since I brought it home. I think I've watched AVENGERS 2-3 times since I got the BluRay, and ULTRON maybe 4-6 times. Now FIRST AVENGER and WINTER SOLDIER- if they had been VHS copies they would be long-worn-out by now, and I don't mind the first IRON MAN movie too much (long story short, I am also one of like 5 people who don't care for RDJ's Stark, so I find it hard to watch the IM movies), and I loved the AGENT CARTER short-lived series. I think I just like the smaller, more self-contained stories better. I have watched the heck out of the 2 THOR movies we've had to so far, and I'm entirely too excited about RAGNAROK coming up. I even liked the first GUARDIANS more than I thought I would (I still wish we had gotten more of the backstory on Ronan the Accuser, cause a few friends of mine who read the comics have filled me in and he sounds really interesting). As for WW, I find the only part that makes it hard to re-watch is Steve's death (I blame half of that on C.Pine's acting skills). I'm a history nerd, so the very idea of it being set in WWI is bacon before a hungry puppy. Then add what a mythology nerd I have been all my life, and throw in that I have been obsessed with WW since I was 2. I very much enjoyed the movie. I liked that we got to know Diana before she became Wonder Woman- we saw her as the child, the unsure and untested warrior, the young woman experiencing grief for the first time, a traveler in a new world, a witness to one of the worst wars in recent history, falling in love for the first time, losing that love, and becoming the woman/goddess/defender/hero she was born to be. I also think it did an excellent job of letting us get to know (and care about) the people around Diana. Some movies, it seems like we care about the secondary characters just because the main guy cares about them. WW actually gave the audience time/reason to care about Hippolyta, Antiope, Steve, Etta, Chief, etc., not just Diana/WW. And I understand we won't get carbon copies of WW in the next movies, I just meant that I would like more solo-stories, not JUSTICE LEAGUE/AVENGERS-- leave the large groups to X-MEN or the TV shows on CW & ABC (I don't watch any of those, except the occasional episode of SUPERGIRL when I'm traveling and happen to be in the hotel room at the time to catch it). I know a lot of people like the group endeavors. I think I tend not to like enough of the characters, or the various storylines related to all of them, to be invested enough for group ventures. Give me a movie about Nat and Clint revisiting Budapest, give me a movie about Wanda training with Steve and Sam, Black Panther is cool, the Thor movies are too re-watchable for my sanity (but please, someone figure out how to bring back Frigga!), and I wouldn't mind finally getting this Warbird movie (aka Captain Marvel) that's supposed to be happening. Didn't care for Strange, the new Hulk/B.Banner, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Vision, etc.- mostly I'm at Marvel for Steve, Sam, Wanda, T'Challa, Bucky, Clint, Natasha (she grew on me in WINTER SOLDIER), and Maria Hill. (Again, I'm sorry if I meandered about. Sleep is for slackers.)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 1, 2017 13:23:37 GMT
The larger movies gives the MCU a balance that DC won't have is what he's saying. Only having the small movies with nothing to ever build past that, just isn't the same. Also, I would like honestly asks why you would want 10 of that kind of ww film that we got. Where is the rewatch value in it? It was rather uneventful if you ask me, so I'm not really sure why anybody thought it was any more than passable. (Running on 4 hours sleep over 3 days, so if I am a bit fuzzy in explaining- I apologize in advance. Insomnia is wicked.) I get the balance, I just don't find the movies- as you say- to have much of a rewatch value. Don't get me wrong, I love Steve Rogers and I will personally tell a Team Stark person all the reasons Stark's an idiot/jerk/etc., but I watched CIVIL WAR once in theatres, I got the video, and I haven't watched it since I brought it home. I think I've watched AVENGERS 2-3 times since I got the BluRay, and ULTRON maybe 4-6 times. Now FIRST AVENGER and WINTER SOLDIER- if they had been VHS copies they would be long-worn-out by now, and I don't mind the first IRON MAN movie too much (long story short, I am also one of like 5 people who don't care for RDJ's Stark, so I find it hard to watch the IM movies), and I loved the AGENT CARTER short-lived series. I think I just like the smaller, more self-contained stories better. I have watched the heck out of the 2 THOR movies we've had to so far, and I'm entirely too excited about RAGNAROK coming up. I even liked the first GUARDIANS more than I thought I would (I still wish we had gotten more of the backstory on Ronan the Accuser, cause a few friends of mine who read the comics have filled me in and he sounds really interesting). As for WW, I find the only part that makes it hard to re-watch is Steve's death (I blame half of that on C.Pine's acting skills). I'm a history nerd, so the very idea of it being set in WWI is bacon before a hungry puppy. Then add what a mythology nerd I have been all my life, and throw in that I have been obsessed with WW since I was 2. I very much enjoyed the movie. I liked that we got to know Diana before she became Wonder Woman- we saw her as the child, the unsure and untested warrior, the young woman experiencing grief for the first time, a traveler in a new world, a witness to one of the worst wars in recent history, falling in love for the first time, losing that love, and becoming the woman/goddess/defender/hero she was born to be. I also think it did an excellent job of letting us get to know (and care about) the people around Diana. Some movies, it seems like we care about the secondary characters just because the main guy cares about them. WW actually gave the audience time/reason to care about Hippolyta, Antiope, Steve, Etta, Chief, etc., not just Diana/WW. And I understand we won't get carbon copies of WW in the next movies, I just meant that I would like more solo-stories, not JUSTICE LEAGUE/AVENGERS-- leave the large groups to X-MEN or the TV shows on CW & ABC (I don't watch any of those, except the occasional episode of SUPERGIRL when I'm traveling and happen to be in the hotel room at the time to catch it). I know a lot of people like the group endeavors. I think I tend not to like enough of the characters, or the various storylines related to all of them, to be invested enough for group ventures. Give me a movie about Nat and Clint revisiting Budapest, give me a movie about Wanda training with Steve and Sam, Black Panther is cool, the Thor movies are too re-watchable for my sanity (but please, someone figure out how to bring back Frigga!), and I wouldn't mind finally getting this Warbird movie (aka Captain Marvel) that's supposed to be happening. Didn't care for Strange, the new Hulk/B.Banner, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Vision, etc.- mostly I'm at Marvel for Steve, Sam, Wanda, T'Challa, Bucky, Clint, Natasha (she grew on me in WINTER SOLDIER), and Maria Hill. (Again, I'm sorry if I meandered about. Sleep is for slackers.) Interesting. And first off, I fully understand enjoying or appreciating the solo films more, for many reasons. It's awesome that you love the Thor movies, I do as well, and the first one has some deep personal plots going on that really aren't matched anywhere else in the series. Personally I love the different styles, sometimes I just really love something casual like Ant Man, or something dark like Incredible Hulk, and then there's just the badassery of Winter Soldier, or the nostalgia of First Avenger. A lot of them have this unique feel and it's great. But I also really appreciate the way they've orchestrated the team dynamics in the larger films, and it's great that there is only a few of them. If they had just done Avenger films only, it wouldn't have the same appeal, and the epic scale they operate on is great to take in.
I find it curious that you haven't rewatched Civil War. But just to address the rewatch value between that and ww. Surely you can see that so much more happens in Civil War, correct? That's the rewatch value I'm referring to. Now whether you want to watch those things again is a different question, and I'm actually curious why you wouldn't, there's so many great scenes. I can't really name many great scenes in WW. I guess that 7 minute section in the middle with the war zone and city take down, but other than that I really don't know. What else did you rewatch there, or want 10 more films of? I would want 10 more Winter Soldiers. And it's interesting you said WW gave you reason to care about the secondary characters like Hippoletta, Antiope, and Etta, because I felt the opposite. In fact it made me care about them so little if you showed me a picture of all three I don't think I could tell you who was who, so I have to say I think that is more you wanting to care about the film than the film making you care about the characters.
Ooooooooooooooooh Dr. Strange? I fucking love that movie, you didn't like it? It's an appetizer, and I can't wait for a larger more epic version, but that was a fantastic start if you ask me. Love the vibe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 15:55:02 GMT
Not really. I keep forgetting that Infinity War is even a thing. Marvel drew it out for too long and now no one cares about it.
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Post by leesilm on Oct 2, 2017 0:15:03 GMT
(Running on 4 hours sleep over 3 days, so if I am a bit fuzzy in explaining- I apologize in advance. Insomnia is wicked.) I get the balance, I just don't find the movies- as you say- to have much of a rewatch value. Don't get me wrong, I love Steve Rogers and I will personally tell a Team Stark person all the reasons Stark's an idiot/jerk/etc., but I watched CIVIL WAR once in theatres, I got the video, and I haven't watched it since I brought it home. I think I've watched AVENGERS 2-3 times since I got the BluRay, and ULTRON maybe 4-6 times. Now FIRST AVENGER and WINTER SOLDIER- if they had been VHS copies they would be long-worn-out by now, and I don't mind the first IRON MAN movie too much (long story short, I am also one of like 5 people who don't care for RDJ's Stark, so I find it hard to watch the IM movies), and I loved the AGENT CARTER short-lived series. I think I just like the smaller, more self-contained stories better. I have watched the heck out of the 2 THOR movies we've had to so far, and I'm entirely too excited about RAGNAROK coming up. I even liked the first GUARDIANS more than I thought I would (I still wish we had gotten more of the backstory on Ronan the Accuser, cause a few friends of mine who read the comics have filled me in and he sounds really interesting). As for WW, I find the only part that makes it hard to re-watch is Steve's death (I blame half of that on C.Pine's acting skills). I'm a history nerd, so the very idea of it being set in WWI is bacon before a hungry puppy. Then add what a mythology nerd I have been all my life, and throw in that I have been obsessed with WW since I was 2. I very much enjoyed the movie. I liked that we got to know Diana before she became Wonder Woman- we saw her as the child, the unsure and untested warrior, the young woman experiencing grief for the first time, a traveler in a new world, a witness to one of the worst wars in recent history, falling in love for the first time, losing that love, and becoming the woman/goddess/defender/hero she was born to be. I also think it did an excellent job of letting us get to know (and care about) the people around Diana. Some movies, it seems like we care about the secondary characters just because the main guy cares about them. WW actually gave the audience time/reason to care about Hippolyta, Antiope, Steve, Etta, Chief, etc., not just Diana/WW. And I understand we won't get carbon copies of WW in the next movies, I just meant that I would like more solo-stories, not JUSTICE LEAGUE/AVENGERS-- leave the large groups to X-MEN or the TV shows on CW & ABC (I don't watch any of those, except the occasional episode of SUPERGIRL when I'm traveling and happen to be in the hotel room at the time to catch it). I know a lot of people like the group endeavors. I think I tend not to like enough of the characters, or the various storylines related to all of them, to be invested enough for group ventures. Give me a movie about Nat and Clint revisiting Budapest, give me a movie about Wanda training with Steve and Sam, Black Panther is cool, the Thor movies are too re-watchable for my sanity (but please, someone figure out how to bring back Frigga!), and I wouldn't mind finally getting this Warbird movie (aka Captain Marvel) that's supposed to be happening. Didn't care for Strange, the new Hulk/B.Banner, Iron Man, Ant-Man, Vision, etc.- mostly I'm at Marvel for Steve, Sam, Wanda, T'Challa, Bucky, Clint, Natasha (she grew on me in WINTER SOLDIER), and Maria Hill. (Again, I'm sorry if I meandered about. Sleep is for slackers.) Interesting. And first off, I fully understand enjoying or appreciating the solo films more, for many reasons. It's awesome that you love the Thor movies, I do as well, and the first one has some deep personal plots going on that really aren't matched anywhere else in the series. Personally I love the different styles, sometimes I just really love something casual like Ant Man, or something dark like Incredible Hulk, and then there's just the badassery of Winter Soldier, or the nostalgia of First Avenger. A lot of them have this unique feel and it's great. But I also really appreciate the way they've orchestrated the team dynamics in the larger films, and it's great that there is only a few of them. If they had just done Avenger films only, it wouldn't have the same appeal, and the epic scale they operate on is great to take in.
I find it curious that you haven't rewatched Civil War. But just to address the rewatch value between that and ww. Surely you can see that so much more happens in Civil War, correct? That's the rewatch value I'm referring to. Now whether you want to watch those things again is a different question, and I'm actually curious why you wouldn't, there's so many great scenes. I can't really name many great scenes in WW. I guess that 7 minute section in the middle with the war zone and city take down, but other than that I really don't know. What else did you rewatch there, or want 10 more films of? I would want 10 more Winter Soldiers. And it's interesting you said WW gave you reason to care about the secondary characters like Hippoletta, Antiope, and Etta, because I felt the opposite. In fact it made me care about them so little if you showed me a picture of all three I don't think I could tell you who was who, so I have to say I think that is more you wanting to care about the film than the film making you care about the characters.
Ooooooooooooooooh Dr. Strange? I fucking love that movie, you didn't like it? It's an appetizer, and I can't wait for a larger more epic version, but that was a fantastic start if you ask me. Love the vibe.
Exactly- the solo films really do allow you that. All these stories about things that only pertain to that character, and only matter to a few people-- Frigga's death, the reason the A.I. is named J.A.R.V.I.S., etc. They set up why these characters aren't just guys in tight suits, blowing things up. And I understand the need for the Big Group movies, I just don't enjoy them as much mostly because there are so many people and they really are more about the overall story and less about the little moments and subplots. Not always, some of the Big Group movies have managed to have them (CIVIL WAR had Steve hearing Peggy's speech about 'no, you move' and the moment of he and Bucky teasing about 'she has to be 100 years old now-- so are we', ULTRON had that conversation between Steve and Tony about darksides and trying to win wars before they start as well as the whole 'together' scene). And I do think the AVENGERS movies, in particular, have done a pretty good job of balancing the group out and not making it "The Iron Man Show" or "The Nick Fury Show". Much kudos on that. Honestly, there was so much about CIVIL WAR that I just didn't enjoy. I had moments/scenes/characters that I liked, but overall... it just didn't hold together for me. I think, in part, they spent too much time trying to make Tony's point of view be sympathetic (I understand fully that you had to at least understand the side you didn't agree with, so if you're Team Cap- they had to make you sympathize with Tony's perspective, and if you're Team Stark- they had to make Steve's way of thinking be one you didn't just laugh at out of hand), but they belabored it, to the point I was sick of seeing his face. And the way they handled Vision made me hate the character- he took what could have been a kill shot at Sam (which missed, and hit Rhodey, nearly killing him despite his Iron Man-like suit), and while I liked T'Challa and his introduction (Also, I think a shout-out to the acting done by Chadwick Boseman, because we got 5 minutes with him and the audience felt his pain, wanted vengeance, and cared about him losing himself to revenge/rage in that time), as well as the quiet moments between Sam/Bucky, Bucky/Steve, and such- I just felt like there were so many scenes where I was tapping my foot, checking my watch, and going, "So when do we get back to Steve?". It felt too much like an AVENGERS movie and not enough like a CAPTAIN AMERICA movie to me. And yes, a LOT happens in CIVIL WAR. But... not enough things that I gave a crap about, and so many of the things I did care about had such heft (or, to quote kids these days, 'Punched me in the feels' type scenes), that it is a little much to just skip through and watch only the scenes I liked. Honestly, my complaint about trying to re-watch CIVIL WAR is that it is so da-gone depressing (granted, with a title like 'CIVIL WAR' it wasn't advertising itself as a barrel of monkeys) and then adding cry-baby Tony as icing on the cake, annoying Ant-man, blank Sharon C., being mean to Rhodey, turning Vision into a dud, and making us deal with so much of the back-and-forth between Tony and Steve (which should have been good, except Tony was like a brick wall that threw punches, and Steve couldn't get through to him, while you see Steve actually weighing things and trying to find a middle ground in the earlier scenes)... it becomes tedious.
I really connected with WW and the characters, and I will admit that I walked in wanting to care and had that bias coming in, that I'm a veteran WW fan. Actually, growing up I had always tilted more towards DC comics than Marvel. It wasn't until the first FANTASTIC FOUR and X-MEN movies came out that I started to go more Marvel, then we got CAPTAIN AMERICA and THOR, and it was all downhill from there. I admit though, I think I'm just a fan in the minority with my tastes-- I can't stand the Nolan-verse BATMAN movies (although, I love Morgan Freeman & Michael Caine, so I sometimes will watch BATMAN BEGINS for them), I actually enjoyed BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN for the most part (flawed movie, but it had it's good points), I can't stand RDJ's Tony Stark/Iron Man, I was excited for Ben Affleck to be announced as the new Bruce Wayne/Batman, I thought Chris Evans was going to be a perfect Steve Rogers/Cap when they announced him, and I don't want a BLACK WIDOW movie (wouldn't be opposed to a SHIELD movie with her, Clint/Hawkeye, Fury, Phil, and Maria Hill though). Heck, I even like the Peggy Carter/Daniel Sousa pairing better than I liked Steve/Peggy. I really am in the minority as far as fan-opinions are concerned. But back to WONDER WOMAN- the whole getting to know the Paradise Island and her people, including the little Princess Diana of Themyscira, was great for me. I am not someone who gets emotional during movies (other than occasionally threatening to punch a character if they hurt another character one more time, and once I did stand and yell at a character on screen while at the cinema), but I actually got choked up no less than 5 times during WW. And I loved that some of the scenes played out more like stuff in real life does- such as how awkward she and Steve are with each other on the boat off Themyscira, her trying to take the blame for her aunt teaching her behind her mom's back, how Etta deals with Diana while they are shopping, Chief when Charlie has his nightmares, the scene where Diana sees her first snowfall and Steve admits he doesn't know how it feels to be a normal person living a normal but happy life, and Sameer's conversation with Diana about his being the wrong color. And I loved how they bracketed the whole movie with her E-mail to Bruce Wayne, thanking him for bringing Steve back to her and how Bruce had said maybe Diana could tell him about Steve someday (there is so much promise there, as a fan. Will that conversation be two-way, with Bruce telling her about the man who wore that costume we saw, defaced by Joker and in a case within the Bat Cave? Will Steve come back, and that's what prompts the conversation about him? Will Bruce have already looked it up and actually know all the stuff you can get from history books/newspaper clippings/etc. about Diana's first foray into the world of men- her team of a drunken Scottish marksman, a displaced Native American smuggler, a wanna-be actor from the Middle East, a British secretary working with an American agent, and the American pilot/spy who died on a somewhat unsanctioned mission behind enemy lines, so when Diana tells him her version it is the personal version that has all the shades of gray and all the heartbreak you don't get in the black and white files?)- and it just sets up this excitement for when WW comes back, both in JUSTICE LEAGUE and WW2.
Wow.... we really have created walls of text, haven't we?
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