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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 0:24:28 GMT
tpfkar You are not telling me anything here tiger, that I am not already aware of. Who's ego are you referring to, yours or mine? You may be ruled by turbulence without realizing it. Don't let it continue to disrupt the nature of your circuit and keep you misled. The complexity of the present time demands an unveiling of your dreams if you are going to survive. But the ever present plenum beckons you even as you labor to extend your holistic dormancy.
BlackjackThanks for the reading sweetcakes, but I don't take advise from the dark side.  |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Oct 8, 2017 0:24:45 GMT
This is probably the most response anything with Ray Comfort in the title has ever received.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 0:33:32 GMT
So no comment on whether you understand that all we need for a concept to exist--any arbitrary concept--is for someone to have that concept in mind? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 0:34:04 GMT
It's your concept, your illusion, and yes, your concept of the mind made reasoning behind what you believe atheism represents is phony, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST. This is an idiotic comment. If someone has a concept, then that concept exists. It doesn't matter what the concept is. It could be a concept of the present king of France. It could be a mental image of the Great Green Arkleseizure. Whatever. All that's required for a concept to exist is that someone has that concept. It is YOUR concept and\or belief. Others may share the same notion, but where does the belief exist? If it is triggered by your mind, but where is the mind? It is your illusion of reality that is creating what you see as existence. Not everyone is sharing in it. If you don't think of something, does it exist? Therefore your belief as an atheist is only existing when thought triggers it. It is only seems real, when stepping out the present moment of clarity. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 0:40:25 GMT
Therefore your belief as an atheist is only existing when thought triggers it. This we agree on. Beliefs and concepts only exist when people have them. And in the case of the types of atheism distinction mentioned earlier, people have that concept, so that concept exists. Do you understand that? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 0:40:28 GMT
So no comment on whether you understand that all we need for a concept to exist--any arbitrary concept--is for someone to have that concept in mind? 
I guess it appears that you are desperate to prove whatever deluded point you have, about something that doesn't even exist. You are not going to prove, what only exists as an abstract in your own mind.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 0:42:07 GMT
So no comment on whether you understand that all we need for a concept to exist--any arbitrary concept--is for someone to have that concept in mind?
I guess it appears that you are desperate to prove whatever deluded point you have, about something that doesn't even exist. You are not going to prove, what only exists as an abstract in your own mind.
Do you agree that if someone has concept x, they have concept x? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 0:52:22 GMT
Therefore your belief as an atheist is only existing when thought triggers it. This we agree on. Beliefs and concepts only exist when people have them. And in the case of the types of atheism distinction mentioned earlier, people have that concept, so that concept exists. Do you understand that? Of course I understand that thought triggers the belief. This is what I have already explained to you. The concept will only be perceived as existing, to those that have that specific belief. Same with my own beliefs. Yours doesn't exist for me. Since the belief is only thought, and where is the thought, it is only perceived as existence, due to the delusion of the ego mindset. It wants you think it is real. You are not an atheist, only think that you are due to the belief. This is not who or what you really are. Do you understand this now? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 0:55:34 GMT
This we agree on. Beliefs and concepts only exist when people have them. And in the case of the types of atheism distinction mentioned earlier, people have that concept, so that concept exists. Do you understand that? Of course I understand that thought triggers the belief. This is what I have already explained to you. The concept will only be perceived as existing, to those that have that specific belief. Same with my own beliefs. Yours doesn't exist for me. Since the belief is only thought, and where is the thought, it is only perceived as existence, due to the delusion of the ego mindset. It wants you think it is real. You are not an atheist, only think that you are due to the belief. This is not who or what you really are. Do you understand this now? I'm not saying anything about anything triggering anything. I'm saying that if someone has concept x , they have concept x. Do you agree with that? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 1:00:59 GMT
I guess it appears that you are desperate to prove whatever deluded point you have, about something that doesn't even exist. You are not going to prove, what only exists as an abstract in your own mind.
Do you agree that if someone has concept x, they have concept x? Only if I buy into the concept and even then the concept is still born of thought, so where is this thought existing? And don't tell me in the mind, because you will then have to prove to me where the mind is. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 1:03:11 GMT
Do you agree that if someone has concept x, they have concept x? Only if I buy into the concept and even then the concept is still born of thought, so where is this thought existing? And don't tell me in the mind, because you will then have to prove to me where the mind is. What does you "buying into a concept" have to do with someone having that concept? Someone can't have a concept unless you buy into it? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 1:06:09 GMT
Of course I understand that thought triggers the belief. This is what I have already explained to you. The concept will only be perceived as existing, to those that have that specific belief. Same with my own beliefs. Yours doesn't exist for me. Since the belief is only thought, and where is the thought, it is only perceived as existence, due to the delusion of the ego mindset. It wants you think it is real. You are not an atheist, only think that you are due to the belief. This is not who or what you really are. Do you understand this now? I'm not saying anything about anything triggering anything. I'm saying that if someone has concept x , they have concept x. Do you agree with that? No, because it is just a concept that is not real! The concept is only perceived as real for the holder of that thought. The source of the concept is intangible and then may be put into action to bring something to fruition and seen as tangible. But to whom? The action is all born of concept\belief from the mind. All that is, is "action" and nothing more. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 1:07:35 GMT
Only if I buy into the concept and even then the concept is still born of thought, so where is this thought existing? And don't tell me in the mind, because you will then have to prove to me where the mind is. What does you "buying into a concept" have to do with someone having that concept? Someone can't have a concept unless you buy into it? Who is having the concept though? Who is this abstract you are talking about. If it's not my concept, it is not existing. Even my own concept is still illusion or even delusion, depending on the space I am coming from. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 1:09:18 GMT
What does you "buying into a concept" have to do with someone having that concept? Someone can't have a concept unless you buy into it? Who is having the concept though? Who is this abstract you are talking about. If it's not my concept, it is not existing. Even my own concept is still illusion or even delusion, depending on the space I am coming from. So this is coming down to you being a solipsist? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 1:14:47 GMT
I'm not saying anything about anything triggering anything. I'm saying that if someone has concept x , they have concept x. Do you agree with that? No, because it is just a concept that is not real! The concept is only perceived as real for the holder of that thought. The source of the concept is intangible and then may be put into action to bring something to fruition and seen as tangible. But to whom? The action is all born of concept\belief from the mind. All that is, is "action" and nothing more. So if S has concept x, S does not have concept x. You agree with that? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 1:17:39 GMT
Who is having the concept though? Who is this abstract you are talking about. If it's not my concept, it is not existing. Even my own concept is still illusion or even delusion, depending on the space I am coming from. So this is coming down to you being a solipsist? It is the notion of "self", that holds us down. If anything, you are the solipsist. Are you projecting your own insecurity here? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 1:20:11 GMT
So this is coming down to you being a solipsist? It is the notion of "self", that holds us down. If anything, you are the solipsist. Are you projecting your own insecurity here? You're not a solipsist then. Or I suppose maybe you and you aren't, and you disagree that you are and you aren't, and you disagree that you disagree? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 1:24:04 GMT
No, because it is just a concept that is not real! The concept is only perceived as real for the holder of that thought. The source of the concept is intangible and then may be put into action to bring something to fruition and seen as tangible. But to whom? The action is all born of concept\belief from the mind. All that is, is "action" and nothing more. So if S has concept x, S does not have concept x. You agree with that? S has concept x, if they believe in it. But it is only a concept to S, which may be then shared out of action, like what we are doing here. Other than that, it is still a concept formed out of the mind, that is all illusion\delusion. You agree with that? |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 8, 2017 1:31:01 GMT
So if S has concept x, S does not have concept x. You agree with that? S has concept x, if they believe in it. But it is only a concept to x, which may be then shared out of action, like what we are doing here. Other than that, it is still a concept formed out of the mind, that is all illusion\delusion. You agree with that? If it's a concept to S (I'm assuming you meant S--S is the person, x is the concept), then it exists as a concept to S. Re concepts being illusory or delusional, if we're talking about concepts qua concepts, which is what I'm talking about, then the idea of an illusory or delusional concept makes no sense. What would the difference be between an illusory and a non-illusory concept? |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Oct 8, 2017 1:33:00 GMT
S has concept x, if they believe in it. But it is only a concept to x, which may be then shared out of action, like what we are doing here. Other than that, it is still a concept formed out of the mind, that is all illusion\delusion. You agree with that? If it's a concept to S (I'm assuming you meant S--S is the person, x is the concept), then it exists as a concept to S. Re concepts being illusory or delusional, if we're talking about concepts qua concepts, which is what I'm talking about, then the idea of an illusory or delusional concept makes no sense. What would the difference be between an illusory and a non-illusory concept? It is all illusion Terrapin, regardless of what you believe to exist. |
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