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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 22:59:51 GMT
Yes, I am. Raimi, Singer, and Snyder suck. Nolan is only decent. You forgot about Joss Whedon, Kenneth Branagh, Jon Favreau, Shane Black, Joe Johnston, Louis Leterrier, Alan Taylor, Jon Watts, Taika Waititi, and Ryan Coogler. Russo Bros did Arrested Development and Community. You ignored those in favor of one bad movie they made years and years ago. James Gunn did Tromeo and Juliet, Slither, and a number of well-respected indie work and television work. Peyton Reed and Scott Derrickson are hired gun directors who have no power over what studios do with the films they direct. If anything, Marvel Studios have given them the most power and Ant-Man and Doctor Strange were both excellent. I wouldn't lump Raimi in there, he's always been good. Raimi's only good movies are the Evil Dead trilogy. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 2, 2017 23:00:29 GMT
I wouldn't lump Raimi in there, he's always been good. Raimi's only good movies are the Evil Dead trilogy. You didn't like Darkman? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 23:02:37 GMT
I'm interested in this question for all comic-book movies with "shared universes," and it fits, perhaps, with my criticism of the latter concept here. That is to say, the idea of a shared universe, with canon imposed from above, seems to limit directorial personality, which results in formula--beginning the cycle anew. The prime example is Kenneth Branagh, a favorite director of mine whose entire personality was subsumed in the mess of Thor, a bloated project with no similarity to anything he ever directed. (And Branagh's oeuvre shows tremendous thematic interconnectedness, leaving Thor a curious outlier.) As for Marvel: Jon Favreau showed directorial personality in Iron Man that links it with Elf and Zathura, but none in Iron Man 2 and The Jungle Book, where personality is (again) subsumed and the result formulaic. The same largely applies to Sam Raimi and his Spider-Man films, before the last succumbs (again) to formula and repetition. Shane Black shows distinct personality with Iron Man 3, perhaps the most interesting of the Iron Man films (though not, in my opinion, the best), that is clearly distinct from Favreau's conception, or that in The Avengers. The greatest attempt at very distinct directorial mise en scène comes from Joe Johnston, who in many ways remakes large parts of his earlier (and superior) The Rocketeer for Captain America. It's not entirely successful, but Johnston very clearly wants the film to be his, not "Marvel's"--art being made by the individual, not the committee. As for DC... Burton is probably the best example here, as Batman and Batman Returns are very much his (especially the latter, which is in many ways nightmarish). Superman and Superman II are as well; that is most clearly defined by the fact that the Donner and Lester cuts of the latter are very different. For the modern films, the Batman series clearly reflects Nolan's worldview and work (unfortunately... I'm not a Nolan fan!  ), and Man of Steel very much reflects Snyder (also unfortunately--I despised Man of Steel). I have heard that Wonder Woman is also very personal for Miss Jenkins. All that being equal, I liked some directors' personalities, disliked others', but I am happy when I see such an expression of personality, when it's not consumed by the general machinery. I truly cannot believe that art can be created by committee, but rather that it is an extension (again) of personality. God, you are annoying. And wrong, too. If you actually paid any attention to Thor, you'd realize it was very much a Kenneth Branagh film, and he's proud of the end result. "Jon Favreau showed directorial personality in Iron Man that links it with Elf and Zathura, but none in Iron Man 2 and The Jungle Book, where personality is (again) subsumed and the result formulaic." Actually, those were both very Jon Favreau films. Sorry. "The same largely applies to Sam Raimi and his Spider-Man films, before the last succumbs (again) to formula and repetition." Too bad they all sucked. "The greatest attempt at very distinct directorial mise en scène comes from Joe Johnston, who in many ways remakes large parts of his earlier (and superior) The Rocketeer for Captain America. It's not entirely successful, but Johnston very clearly wants the film to be his, not "Marvel's"--art being made by the individual, not the committee." The Rocketeer is in no way better than the first Captain America film. Sorry. Give it up, already. The MCU is a solid series and its here to stay. And the MCU isn't supposed to be a series of arthouse films. They're popcorn flicks. Deal with it. Now just go away. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 23:04:05 GMT
Raimi's only good movies are the Evil Dead trilogy. You didn't like Darkman? I enjoyed Liam Neeson, but that's it. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2017 23:57:00 GMT
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You and I obviously disagree (again). With that said, I'd be interested in reading your thematic evaluation of Branagh's oeuvre and explaining to me how you think Thor fits in. As someone who has analyzed Branagh's work in some detail, I find this an unusual claim.
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Post by chalk2 on Oct 3, 2017 0:02:23 GMT
Don't they draw straws and the shortest is the sorry ass who has to make the movie?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 0:04:15 GMT
@weirdraptor You and I obviously disagree (again). With that said, I'd be interested in reading your thematic evaluation of Branagh's oeuvre and explaining to me how you think Thor fits in. As someone who has analyzed Branagh's work in some detail, I find this an unusual claim. Let me say this: I'm getting very tired of you coming on here everyday to tell me that my favorite film series is garbage and that all the people who like it are wrong. Who died and made you the authority on what's acceptable in cinema? I don't think you're really here for discussion. When you drone on about how "unartistic" the MCU is, I get the feeling you're more about flaunting knowledge to us unwashed masses. Again, superhero movies are popcorn entertainment. They were never meant to be artistic triumphs.
Thor is an unusual choice for Branagh. It was never going to be like his other work, because its completely different in nature to his other work. Branagh does Shakespeare films and other period pieces most of the film. This is a superhero film set in modern times. It does, however, have all the trappings and feeling of a Branagh film. As a director, he always makes everything feel big and sweeping, which Thor nails right off the bat. Its also smart, makes clever use of Asgardian Shakespeare-style dialogue, and tells a very classic story of pride, humility, ambition, fatherhood, and legacy, all of which are themes Branagh has touched upon in the past and the kind that he excels at. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2017 0:31:19 GMT
Oh, how I miss Bill Buckley! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 0:37:55 GMT
Oh, how I miss Bill Buckley! Thank you for confirming exactly what I think of your motivations. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2017 0:47:46 GMT
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Y'know, I could write all my posts in Latin from now on. I'm sure you'd enjoy that, with your high regard for my intellect.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 0:49:14 GMT
@weirdraptor Y'know, I could write all my posts in Latin from now on. I'm sure you'd enjoy that, with your high regard for my intellect. You're only continuing to confirm what I think of your motives. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 1:03:20 GMT
The modern trend in Hollywood is to get inexperienced directors to do massive blockbusters. Sometimes it works great, sometimes it doesn't. It's a mixed bag. Studios probably do it because it's cheaper and they're easier to control.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 3, 2017 1:12:49 GMT
Whenever studios like Sony, WB, and Fox hires directors to direct their comic book movies, they hire actual talent in the business with very good resumes. Sam Raimi directed the Evil Dead saga before directing the Spider-Man trilogy, Bryan Singer directed The Usual Suspects before directing X-Men, Christopher Nolan directed Memento before directing The Dark Knight trilogy, Zack Snyder directed Watchmen and 300 before directing Man of Steel, and Patty Jenkins directing Monster before directing Wonder Woman, and that won an Oscar. Then we have Disney, who just throws their arms and hire directors with no talent or creativity. Including big name talents like: Russo Bros - the directors of You, Me, and Dupree James Gunn - the guy who wrote Scooby-Doo 1 and 2 and wrote and directed Movie 43, which is one of the worst movies ever made Peyton Reed - the guy who directed Yes Man and The Break-Up Scott Derrickson - the guy who directed the 2008 remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still and Sinister Does Kevin Feige just look at their resumes and look at all the shit they directed or wrote and go "You're hired! Welcome aboard! You'll fit right in, where we also make pieces of shit!" They suck a dick right and their assholes tight! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 4:46:43 GMT
Whenever studios like Sony, WB, and Fox hires directors to direct their comic book movies, they hire actual talent in the business with very good resumes. Sam Raimi directed the Evil Dead saga before directing the Spider-Man trilogy, Bryan Singer directed The Usual Suspects before directing X-Men, Christopher Nolan directed Memento before directing The Dark Knight trilogy, Zack Snyder directed Watchmen and 300 before directing Man of Steel, and Patty Jenkins directing Monster before directing Wonder Woman, and that won an Oscar. Then we have Disney, who just throws their arms and hire directors with no talent or creativity. Including big name talents like: Russo Bros - the directors of You, Me, and Dupree James Gunn - the guy who wrote Scooby-Doo 1 and 2 and wrote and directed Movie 43, which is one of the worst movies ever made Peyton Reed - the guy who directed Yes Man and The Break-Up Scott Derrickson - the guy who directed the 2008 remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still and Sinister Does Kevin Feige just look at their resumes and look at all the shit they directed or wrote and go "You're hired! Welcome aboard! You'll fit right in, where we also make pieces of shit!" Desperate fanboy makes desperate attempt at trolling and fails harder than the DCEU. And than likes his own post. Thats just pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 4:50:38 GMT
@weirdraptor Y'know, I could write all my posts in Latin from now on. I'm sure you'd enjoy that, with your high regard for my intellect. So you know how to use Google Translate. Congratulations. You are nothing but a pretentious douchebag. MCU never claimed to be anything else than what it is : Fun interconnected blockbusters. Their fans didnt do so either. So why you come here pretending that did happen and attack people for what they like? I hate that kind of people. I call then Art Nazi's. Do you really want to be that kind of person? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 4:55:26 GMT
@weirdraptor Y'know, I could write all my posts in Latin from now on. I'm sure you'd enjoy that, with your high regard for my intellect. So you know how to use Google Translate. Congratulations. You are nothing but a pretentious douchebag. MCU never claimed to be anything else than what it is : Fun interconnected blockbusters. Their fans didnt do so either. So why you come here pretending that did happen and attack people for what they like? I hate that kind of people. I call then Art Nazi's. Do you really want to be that kind of person? Exactly. He acts like someone is forcing him to watch the MCU or DCEU and he needs to prove that the idea of continuity and world building are bad ideas in and of themselves. The idea of just not watching them and just allowing fans of these properties to enjoy what they like never crossed his mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 5:00:15 GMT
So you know how to use Google Translate. Congratulations. You are nothing but a pretentious douchebag. MCU never claimed to be anything else than what it is : Fun interconnected blockbusters. Their fans didnt do so either. So why you come here pretending that did happen and attack people for what they like? I hate that kind of people. I call then Art Nazi's. Do you really want to be that kind of person? Exactly. He acts like someone is forcing him to watch the MCU or DCEU and he needs to prove that the idea of continuity and world building are bad ideas in and of themselves. The idea of just not watching them and just allowing fans of these properties to enjoy what they like never crossed his mind. In his mind he is trying to safe us. Educate us. No need and a little arrogant. Let him try to learn how to be a tolerant openminded human being first and than come here to apologise. Teacher needs to go to school. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 6:16:37 GMT
Exactly. He acts like someone is forcing him to watch the MCU or DCEU and he needs to prove that the idea of continuity and world building are bad ideas in and of themselves. The idea of just not watching them and just allowing fans of these properties to enjoy what they like never crossed his mind. In his mind he is trying to safe us. Educate us. No need and a little arrogant. Let him try to learn how to be a tolerant openminded human being first and than come here to apologise. Teacher needs to go to school. Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. |
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Post by sostie on Oct 3, 2017 8:26:33 GMT
Russo Bros - the directors of You, Me, and Dupree James Gunn - the guy who wrote Scooby-Doo 1 and 2 and wrote and directed Movie 43, which is one of the worst movies ever made Peyton Reed - the guy who directed Yes Man and The Break-Up Scott Derrickson - the guy who directed the 2008 remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still and Sinister Does Kevin Feige just look at their resumes and look at all the shit they directed or wrote and go "You're hired! Welcome aboard! You'll fit right in, where we also make pieces of shit!" So basically MCU chooses directors with not much a of a good track record and they manage to make critically well received films Whereas DCEU have chosen 3 directors with a past of well received films and they, with exception of one, manage to make critical failures |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 3, 2017 11:20:58 GMT
Russo Bros - the directors of You, Me, and Dupree James Gunn - the guy who wrote Scooby-Doo 1 and 2 and wrote and directed Movie 43, which is one of the worst movies ever made Peyton Reed - the guy who directed Yes Man and The Break-Up Scott Derrickson - the guy who directed the 2008 remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still and Sinister Does Kevin Feige just look at their resumes and look at all the shit they directed or wrote and go "You're hired! Welcome aboard! You'll fit right in, where we also make pieces of shit!" So basically MCU chooses directors with not much a of a good track record and they manage to make critically well received films Whereas DCEU have chosen 3 directors with a past of well received films and they, with exception of one, manage to make critical failures DCEU also takes Oscar Nominees like Eisenberg and makes them Razzie Nominees. |
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), and Man of Steel very much reflects Snyder (also unfortunately--I despised Man of Steel). I have heard that Wonder Woman is also very personal for Miss Jenkins.
