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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 5, 2017 10:16:32 GMT
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2017 11:54:54 GMT
That's the appropriate thing to do. |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 5, 2017 12:38:42 GMT
I wish people would differentiate between reality and fiction but I guess it's in good taste.
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 5, 2017 14:24:08 GMT
I don't see whats offensive about that they need to delay punisher.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 15:10:46 GMT
Well, this is stupid. If anything Punisher would've taken that dumbass out before anybody could be killed. We should've been so lucky to have Punisher at the concert!
Do -- do you think Punisher would be caught dead at a country music show? And if not, what kind of show would he go to if any? I see him at, like, a Metallica concert. Wearing the outfit.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Oct 5, 2017 15:25:15 GMT
I don't see whats offensive about that they need to delay punisher. Well considering he's a gun-toting maniac, do you really not see how that would be inappropriate to be celebrating one when a gun-toting maniac murdered a bunch of people. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 5, 2017 16:32:21 GMT
I don't see whats offensive about that they need to delay punisher. Probably because of the fact that he runs around and guns people (criminals) down and knowing how people, mostly politicians and religious group, love to lash out at entertainment, especially violent movies, TV shows and video games, it's understandable that marvel doesn't want to stir the controversy pot. At least not this week. This is the same country that blamed Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2017 17:34:38 GMT
I don't see whats offensive about that they need to delay punisher. It's just the idea of promoting extreme violence, especially gun violence. It's not that it's offensive, it's just slightly in bad taste. Honestly if they hadn't pulled it there wouldn't be a problem, but I think they were trying to make a statement of concern, and I get it. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Oct 5, 2017 17:40:56 GMT
I don't see whats offensive about that they need to delay punisher. Probably because of the fact that he runs around and guns people (criminals) down and knowing how people, mostly politicians and religious group, love to lash out at entertainment, especially violent movies, TV shows and video games, it's understandable that marvel doesn't want to stir the controversy pot. At least not this week. This is the same country that blamed Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting. To be fair, there's something to be said for the correlation between the proliferation of violent action in pop culture, gun culture and the increase in mass shootings here in the US. It wasn't Punisher alone, but the message we see over and over again is 'Kill them all and everything will be alright.' I believe strongly in the second amendment and I eat these movies/shows up as much as anyone, but I'm not blind to the situation, either. You can't use a movie as a defense for a crime you committed of your own free will, that's not what I'm suggesting. But the concept of violent revenge (And revenge is vague. Revenge against society, revenge for being born; revenge for life not turning out how you expected. Revenge for the world not working the way you think it should; never mind personal revenge against somebody the shooter actually knows) is constantly reinforced in our culture, and not everyone can make the distinction between fiction and reality. The trendy commentary in gun control debate has shifted to examining how we treat mental illness here in the US (which is a conversation worth having and is most certainly a related issue), but we need to go a step farther and examine what message our violent pop culture sends to our populace on a daily basis. And again, admittedly, I'm the biggest hypocrite in the world on this topic because I can't wait to watch Punisher. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 5, 2017 17:51:53 GMT
Probably because of the fact that he runs around and guns people (criminals) down and knowing how people, mostly politicians and religious group, love to lash out at entertainment, especially violent movies, TV shows and video games, it's understandable that marvel doesn't want to stir the controversy pot. At least not this week. This is the same country that blamed Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting. To be fair, there's something to be said for the correlation between the proliferation of violent action in pop culture, gun culture and the increase in mass shootings here in the US. It wasn't Punisher alone, but the message we see over and over again is 'Kill them all and everything will be alright.' I believe strongly in the second amendment and I eat these movies/shows up as much as anyone, but I'm not blind to the situation, either. You can't use a movie as a defense for a crime you committed of your own free will, that's not what I'm suggesting. But the concept of violent revenge (And revenge is vague. Revenge against society, revenge for being born; revenge for life not turning out how you expected. Revenge for the world not working the way you think it should; never mind personal revenge against somebody the shooter actually knows) is constantly reinforced in our culture, and not everyone can make the distinction between fiction and reality. The trendy commentary in gun control debate has shifted to examining how we treat mental illness here in the US (which is a conversation worth having and is most certainly a related issue), but we need to go a step farther and examine what message our violent pop culture sends to our populace on a daily basis. And again, admittedly, I'm the biggest hypocrite in the world on this topic because I can't wait to watch Punisher. We've been Killing each other since the beginning, before we had movies, TV shows, books, comic books, video games, music, ect. If this stuff truly is responsible for today's killings, than explained the shit we did throughout history, explained all the rape and murder. The fact of the matter is we are a violent species and that won't change, no matter how advance our civilization is. Killing is in our DNA. I'm not saying that this is a good thing or we should in courage it, but let's not make a bullshit lie about ourselves. The only reason the media blames entertainment, is because it's a easy scapegoat. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Oct 5, 2017 18:00:34 GMT
To be fair, there's something to be said for the correlation between the proliferation of violent action in pop culture, gun culture and the increase in mass shootings here in the US. It wasn't Punisher alone, but the message we see over and over again is 'Kill them all and everything will be alright.' I believe strongly in the second amendment and I eat these movies/shows up as much as anyone, but I'm not blind to the situation, either. You can't use a movie as a defense for a crime you committed of your own free will, that's not what I'm suggesting. But the concept of violent revenge (And revenge is vague. Revenge against society, revenge for being born; revenge for life not turning out how you expected. Revenge for the world not working the way you think it should; never mind personal revenge against somebody the shooter actually knows) is constantly reinforced in our culture, and not everyone can make the distinction between fiction and reality. The trendy commentary in gun control debate has shifted to examining how we treat mental illness here in the US (which is a conversation worth having and is most certainly a related issue), but we need to go a step farther and examine what message our violent pop culture sends to our populace on a daily basis. And again, admittedly, I'm the biggest hypocrite in the world on this topic because I can't wait to watch Punisher. We've been Killing each other since the beginning, before we had movies, TV shows, books, comic books, video games, music, ect. If this stuff truly is responsible for today's killings, than explained the shit we did throughout history, explained all the rape and murder. The fact of the matter is we are a violent species and that won't change, no matter how advance our civilization is. Killing is in our DNA. I'm not saying that this is a good thing or we should in courage it, but let's not make a bullshit lie about ourselves. The only reason the media blames entertainment, is because it's a easy scapegoat. This is the point. Movies/shows depicting gun violence by 'righteous' protagonists do just that. Everything you said is 100% true, but that doesn't change the fact that normalizing gun violence on a regular basis is a negative message we're constantly reinforcing. And I can't stress enough that I don't have the answers. I don't want Hollywood to stop making these films, I love them. But I have to admit it's an unhealthy message. At the very least I think it was thoughtful of them not to showcase Punisher in the wake of the Vegas shooting. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Oct 5, 2017 22:47:43 GMT
I don't see whats offensive about that they need to delay punisher. Probably because of the fact that he runs around and guns people (criminals) down and knowing how people, mostly politicians and religious group, love to lash out at entertainment, especially violent movies, TV shows and video games, it's understandable that marvel doesn't want to stir the controversy pot. At least not this week. This is the same country that blamed Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting. Marilyn Manson,violent games,shows and movoes can't be blamed for all the world's problems |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 5, 2017 23:44:42 GMT
Probably because of the fact that he runs around and guns people (criminals) down and knowing how people, mostly politicians and religious group, love to lash out at entertainment, especially violent movies, TV shows and video games, it's understandable that marvel doesn't want to stir the controversy pot. At least not this week. This is the same country that blamed Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting. Marilyn Manson,violent games,shows and movoes can't be blamed for all the world's problems I agree, but that's the world we live in. When ever something terrible happens the media lashes out at whatever they think makes for a perfect vilian. Both Republicans and Democrats do this all the time. |
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Post by THawk on Oct 6, 2017 0:59:07 GMT
Absolutely retarded in every last way shape or form. Are they waiting for a "peaceful" time? If there's not a mass shooting in America, there are hundreds of children being slaughtered in Syria or elsewhere around the world. Is that "better?" Just stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 5:46:09 GMT
Absolutely retarded in every last way shape or form. Are they waiting for a "peaceful" time? If there's not a mass shooting in America, there are hundreds of children being slaughtered in Syria or elsewhere around the world. Is that "better?" Just stupid. Hey only things in the US count. At least according to some here making up their own truths |
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Post by azzajones on Oct 6, 2017 6:16:20 GMT
Reportedly Netflix will now delay the premiere of the show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 6:25:24 GMT
Bleh, is all I have to say to that. Meanwhile, there are probably a million other violent TV shows and movies that will go forward full speed ahead in spite of this.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 6, 2017 10:31:18 GMT
Well, this is stupid. If anything Punisher would've taken that dumbass out before anybody could be killed. We should've been so lucky to have Punisher at the concert! Do -- do you think Punisher would be caught dead at a country music show? And if not, what kind of show would he go to if any? I see him at, like, a Metallica concert. Wearing the outfit. He looks like a guy who would listen to Death Metal while "working". |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Oct 6, 2017 11:55:16 GMT
Reportedly Netflix will now delay the premiere of the show. Now that's ridiculous. I can understand not wanting to make a big hubbub about it a few days after a mass shooting, but delaying the show months later? When, as other have pointed out, plenty of other violent content has been showcased throughout our media? Makes no sense. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 6, 2017 12:49:17 GMT
Yeah delaying the show is stupid. Yes what happened in Vegas was awful, but as others pointed out, there are so many other shows and films out there that feature gun violence.
The only thing I can think of for this reason is there might be a scene in the show that could show Frank or someone else shooting from a hotel room.
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