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Post by sostie on Oct 5, 2017 10:57:19 GMT
Before I begin, I'd just like to say, there are always exceptions to the rule...not that it will stop any nitpicking replies.
There have been plenty of mentions over the years about there being too much humour in MCU films and not enough in DCEU films. I think it's also safe to say that generally the MCU films have been better recieved, rating wise, by critics and audiences, than the DCEU films.
One of the reasons I think is becuase of the use of humour. The majority of CBMs need humour. Whether it be Star Wars, Raiders, Pirates Of The carribean etc fantastical action films generally need it. When dealing with superpowers, aliens, gods etc in the real world you need it. Or at least it works better.
The MCU films are laden with humour, yet it doesn't mean they are not dramatic either. All have had light elements and all have been well recieved. The exception? Incredible Hulk. Not much in the way of laughs there and generally considered the lesser of the MCU films.
DCEU seem to have immediately followed the dark, serious, reality grounded, generally houmourless route of Nolan's films as a template for their films. The problem is Nolan's films could get away with being straight dramas because they could be set in the real world. What are the truly fanatstical elements in the Dark Knight flms? None really. They are about people using their imagination, intelligence, physical training, money and technology to be a villain or hero. It is still in the "real world", it can be taken seriously. But when you try and integrate something as fantastical as for example a flying alien in a costume, can it be taken as seriously without any humour? for many it didn't work. Man Of Steel had some great ideas about how or whether Superman could or should be good. BvS had some great visuals (I love the Day Of The Dead rescue shot), but the whole films are so humourless, they just don't work (for me).
OK Suicide Squad tried to have some humour, but that was just a total mess. But Wonder Woman, whilst able to be dramtic worked better becuase it had some humour. The fish out of water subplot, very reminiscent of Splash, whilst not original works well. Can you imagine that film being as good if it was as serious and dark as Nolan's DK films?
Some of the humour in MCU films may not be to everyone's tastes (though I'd say the turds and nipple gags in GOGT2 got bigger laughs in the theatre than anything in ANY DCEU film so far) but I'm glad it's there. I can't imagine (and don't think I'd want) a humourless MCU film.
As I said there are exceptions. Logan is a CBM that stays dark and worked. We are dealing with people with fantastical abilities, but above all we are dealing with people - it is more a film about the human condition and mortality than about superheroes, and managed to get it spot on. That we knew a lot about the characters in advance really helped as well.
Justice League looks like it might be "lighter" than the darker DCEU films, which may bode well, because frankly I want good DC films but am afraid if they continue to go down the dark route they may continue to disappoint.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 5, 2017 11:38:17 GMT
i actually don't care that much about humor or lack of humor.There are many MCU movies i like but humor is the last of the reason. I don't even like most of the humor in MCU but unless i find it really terrible( Antman) i don't mind. The lack of humor is the last reason i dislike MOS and Suicide Squad.
But i understand that for some people humor can make or break a movie
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 5, 2017 11:49:56 GMT
From the trailers, Justice League would be right at home in the MCU.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2017 12:02:48 GMT
i actually don't care that much about humor or lack of humor.There are many MCU movies i like but humor is the last of the reason. I don't even like most of the humor in MCU but unless i find it really terrible( Antman) i don't mind. The lack of humor is the last reason i dislike MOS and Suicide Squad. But i understand that for some people humor can make or break a movie You don't appreciate humor? The MCU has pretty much been nailing it, and Ant Man was fantastic for it. The theater I was in was rolling. How do you not like Luis' stories?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 5, 2017 12:25:46 GMT
I'm fine with humor if it's written well and not forced. Look at The Force Awakens for example. The "humor" didn't feel organic and felt like it was something that Disney demanded. Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2 had jokes that felt forced as well.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 5, 2017 12:36:36 GMT
i actually don't care that much about humor or lack of humor.There are many MCU movies i like but humor is the last of the reason. I don't even like most of the humor in MCU but unless i find it really terrible( Antman) i don't mind. The lack of humor is the last reason i dislike MOS and Suicide Squad. But i understand that for some people humor can make or break a movie You don't appreciate humor? The MCU has pretty much been nailing it, and Ant Man was fantastic for it. The theater I was in was rolling. How do you not like Luis' stories? of course i appreciate humor, in comedies. or i might have a laugh or two in an action movie but that does not make me change my opinion on the movie. unless it's a comedy, and that's the whole purpose of the movie. And no, i don't like one bit of humor from Antman. or any bit of Antman for that matter. There are other MCU movies i like
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Post by doctorvanya on Oct 5, 2017 12:49:04 GMT
DCEU seem to have immediately followed the dark, serious, reality grounded, generally houmourless route of Nolan's films as a template for their films. The problem is Nolan's films could get away with being straight dramas because they could be set in the real world. What are the truly fanatstical elements in the Dark Knight flms? None really. They are about people using their imagination, intelligence, physical training, money and technology to be a villain or hero. It is still in the "real world", it can be taken seriously. But when you try and integrate something as fantastical as for example a flying alien in a costume, can it be taken as seriously without any humour? for many it didn't work. Man Of Steel had some great ideas about how or whether Superman could or should be good. BvS had some great visuals (I love the Day Of The Dead rescue shot), but the whole films are so humourless, they just don't work (for me). I never understood that assertion. I didn't Nolan's Batman to be humourless; there were some wonderful witty exchanges between Bruce and Alfred in all three films. Who can forget this scene from the Dark Knight: Alfred Pennyworth: [as they leave the underground bat cave] I suppose they'll lock me up as well. As your accomplice... Bruce Wayne: Accomplice? I'm going to tell them the whole thing was your idea. A great little moment to break the tension in a heavy scene. Lucius Fox also got some great dialogue, I found Bruce's public persona amusing and the Joker was hilarious, albeit in a disturbing way. Even Scarecrow got some cheesy one-liners in cheesy lines in ("You need to lighten up!"). Unfortunately when they set out to try use Nolan's Batman as a template they forgot that it was moments like these that help hold the films together. For me a lack of humour doesn't make make a film more realistic, it can actually have the opposite effect and make the characters feel less real. Because humour is a natural, normal thing and a lack of humour feels like a lack of humanity.
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Post by sostie on Oct 5, 2017 13:22:33 GMT
DCEU seem to have immediately followed the dark, serious, reality grounded, generally houmourless route of Nolan's films as a template for their films. The problem is Nolan's films could get away with being straight dramas because they could be set in the real world. What are the truly fanatstical elements in the Dark Knight flms? None really. They are about people using their imagination, intelligence, physical training, money and technology to be a villain or hero. It is still in the "real world", it can be taken seriously. But when you try and integrate something as fantastical as for example a flying alien in a costume, can it be taken as seriously without any humour? for many it didn't work. Man Of Steel had some great ideas about how or whether Superman could or should be good. BvS had some great visuals (I love the Day Of The Dead rescue shot), but the whole films are so humourless, they just don't work (for me). I never understood that assertion. I didn't Nolan's Batman to be humourless; there were some wonderful witty exchanges between Bruce and Alfred in all three films. Who can forget this scene from the Dark Knight: Alfred Pennyworth: [as they leave the underground bat cave] I suppose they'll lock me up as well. As your accomplice... Bruce Wayne: Accomplice? I'm going to tell them the whole thing was your idea. A great little moment to break the tension in a heavy scene. Lucius Fox also got some great dialogue, I found Bruce's public persona amusing and the Joker was hilarious, albeit in a disturbing way. Even Scarecrow got some cheesy one-liners in cheesy lines in ("You need to lighten up!"). Unfortunately when they set out to try use Nolan's Batman as a template they forgot that it was moments like these that help hold the films together. For me a lack of humour doesn't make make a film more realistic, it can actually have the opposite effect and make the characters feel less real. Because humour is a natural, normal thing and a lack of humour feels like a lack of humanity. Never said it was completely devoid of humour. But generally. There are moments of dialogue that raise a smile, and some of The Joker's actions raised a (dark) laugh or two. But it's not an element that stands out as it does in MCU films, or is absent in some of the DCEU films. My issue is more DC tried to almost replicate the mood of Nolan's films, but it needed a little light to work.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 5, 2017 13:53:39 GMT
Dont like the timing of the jokes in the MCU. Most supposedly serious moments are ruined by an unnecessary joke. Winter Soldier has the best spread of humour.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 15:06:55 GMT
The quippy, one-note humor of the MCU was AWESOME... in Iron Man 1... and pretty good in Iron Man 2... just okay in Avengers, and annoying AF after that. Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film and late-90s "ironic wit" that was cutting edge when Buffy came out.
The best thing about the DCEU movies' is their cock-and-balls approach to comic book movies, although apparently WW moves away from this quite a bit, so whatever I guess.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 5, 2017 15:17:01 GMT
The quippy, one-note humor of the MCU was AWESOME... in Iron Man 1... and pretty good in Iron Man 2... just okay in Avengers, and annoying AF after that. Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film and late-90s "ironic wit" that was cutting edge when Buffy came out. The best thing about the DCEU movies' is their cock-and-balls approach to comic book movies, although apparently WW moves away from this quite a bit, so whatever I guess. I liked it in IM1,Avengers and Guardians. In other movies it feels forced. Imo,even tho I really like the film,the worst is in Civil War-the airport scene
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 16:24:31 GMT
The quippy, one-note humor of the MCU was AWESOME... in Iron Man 1... and pretty good in Iron Man 2... just okay in Avengers, and annoying AF after that. Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film and late-90s "ironic wit" that was cutting edge when Buffy came out. The best thing about the DCEU movies' is their cock-and-balls approach to comic book movies, although apparently WW moves away from this quite a bit, so whatever I guess. I liked it in IM1,Avengers and Guardians. In other movies it feels forced. Imo,even tho I really like the film,the worst is in Civil War-the airport scene Sure. I also prolly should've been more clear in my earlier post though: I don't think the humor in MCU movies has declined over time, but just that it's one-note and wears thin after whatever MCU flicks you watch first. (Then again, I haven't seen the later movies, so for all I know it does get worse.)
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 5, 2017 16:26:06 GMT
The quippy, one-note humor of the MCU was AWESOME... in Iron Man 1... and pretty good in Iron Man 2... just okay in Avengers, and annoying AF after that. Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film and late-90s "ironic wit" that was cutting edge when Buffy came out. The best thing about the DCEU movies' is their cock-and-balls approach to comic book movies, although apparently WW moves away from this quite a bit, so whatever I guess. Was this intentional?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 16:26:48 GMT
The quippy, one-note humor of the MCU was AWESOME... in Iron Man 1... and pretty good in Iron Man 2... just okay in Avengers, and annoying AF after that. Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film and late-90s "ironic wit" that was cutting edge when Buffy came out. The best thing about the DCEU movies' is their cock-and-balls approach to comic book movies, although apparently WW moves away from this quite a bit, so whatever I guess. Was this intentional? Yes. You get extra credit. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2017 17:31:04 GMT
You don't appreciate humor? The MCU has pretty much been nailing it, and Ant Man was fantastic for it. The theater I was in was rolling. How do you not like Luis' stories? of course i appreciate humor, in comedies. or i might have a laugh or two in an action movie but that does not make me change my opinion on the movie. unless it's a comedy, and that's the whole purpose of the movie. And no, i don't like one bit of humor from Antman. or any bit of Antman for that matter. There are other MCU movies i like I don't know about you but I joke throughout the day regularly. I don't know why you think funny moments are out of place in comic films, or why you can't have humor in them. It's honestly weird to me that you think the humor isn't appropriate. Why do you think an action film has to be deadly serious all the time? These aren't predator or terminator. Ant Man was quite fun. I'm not understanding what's not to like.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 17:50:28 GMT
of course i appreciate humor, in comedies. or i might have a laugh or two in an action movie but that does not make me change my opinion on the movie. unless it's a comedy, and that's the whole purpose of the movie. And no, i don't like one bit of humor from Antman. or any bit of Antman for that matter. There are other MCU movies i like I don't know about you but I joke throughout the day regularly. I don't know why you think funny moments are out of place in comic films, or why you can't have humor in them. It's honestly weird to me that you think the humor isn't appropriate. Why do you think an action film has to be deadly serious all the time? These aren't predator or terminator. Ant Man was quite fun. I'm not understanding what's not to like. Yeah, I'm sure you'd be making smartass comments if you were literally fighting someone hand-to-hand who was trying to kill you.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 5, 2017 20:07:14 GMT
of course i appreciate humor, in comedies. or i might have a laugh or two in an action movie but that does not make me change my opinion on the movie. unless it's a comedy, and that's the whole purpose of the movie. And no, i don't like one bit of humor from Antman. or any bit of Antman for that matter. There are other MCU movies i like I don't know about you but I joke throughout the day regularly. I don't know why you think funny moments are out of place in comic films, or why you can't have humor in them. It's honestly weird to me that you think the humor isn't appropriate. Why do you think an action film has to be deadly serious all the time? These aren't predator or terminator. Ant Man was quite fun. I'm not understanding what's not to like. I joke everyday,trust me.sometimes more than I should. That does not mean I have to like all forced humor. And I never said comic books should not have humor.but it's kinda distracting during a so-called serious scene with stakes.it just needs to be at the appropriate time,not everytime
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 5, 2017 20:27:58 GMT
Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film Those D-Listers are now A-Listers in the public mind, all they needed was a little respect...kind of like how the X-Men used to be D-Listers until they got some respect. Anyways, MCU's humor is on par with Twin Peaks'. It's just part of life.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
I don't know about you but I joke throughout the day regularly. I don't know why you think funny moments are out of place in comic films, or why you can't have humor in them. It's honestly weird to me that you think the humor isn't appropriate. Why do you think an action film has to be deadly serious all the time? These aren't predator or terminator. Ant Man was quite fun. I'm not understanding what's not to like. I joke everyday,trust me.sometimes more than I should. That does not mean I have to like all forced humor. And I never said comic books should not have humor.but it's kinda distracting during a so-called serious scene with stakes.it just needs to be at the appropriate time,not everytime That's the thing. I don't find any of it forced. I find it to be a great addition, not a distraction, so I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 5, 2017 20:29:08 GMT
I don't know about you but I joke throughout the day regularly. I don't know why you think funny moments are out of place in comic films, or why you can't have humor in them. It's honestly weird to me that you think the humor isn't appropriate. Why do you think an action film has to be deadly serious all the time? These aren't predator or terminator. Ant Man was quite fun. I'm not understanding what's not to like. Yeah, I'm sure you'd be making smartass comments if you were literally fighting someone hand-to-hand who was trying to kill you. If they didn't WANT to fight and were forced into it and didn't bare the other person any ill-will....yeah, they would.
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