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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
Basically I can endure the MCU's "humor" for about 2-3 movies and then I desperately need to watch something with some intellectual underpinning and conceptual strength beyond D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film Those D-Listers are now A-Listers in the public mind, all they needed was a little respect...kind of like how the X-Men used to be D-Listers until they got some respect. Anyways, MCU's humor is on par with Twin Peaks'. It's just part of life.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 5, 2017 20:33:33 GMT
Those D-Listers are now A-Listers in the public mind, all they needed was a little respect...kind of like how the X-Men used to be D-Listers until they got some respect. Anyways, MCU's humor is on par with Twin Peaks'. It's just part of life.
I know you're just trolling, but this is the single stupidest statement you've ever written here. Nope. Twin Peaks gave us stuff like Gordon Cole's Monica Bellucci dream. Or Bob showing up right after "Just You". Or Cooper's whole "Throw rocks at bottles" stuff. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 20:36:41 GMT
I know you're just trolling, but this is the single stupidest statement you've ever written here. Nope. Twin Peaks gave us stuff like Gordon Cole's Monica Bellucci dream. Or Bob showing up right after "Just You". Or Cooper's whole "Throw rocks at bottles" stuff. And out of the countless subtle, nuanced, and unparalleled examples of black comedy and quirkiness, you chose those specific moments? Those -- those aren't really supposed to be funny. Dude, sometimes I think you're seriously on the spectrum.  It makes it, like, less fun to be mean to you... |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 5, 2017 20:38:34 GMT
Nope. Twin Peaks gave us stuff like Gordon Cole's Monica Bellucci dream. Or Bob showing up right after "Just You". Or Cooper's whole "Throw rocks at bottles" stuff. And out of the countless subtle, nuanced, and unparalleled examples of black comedy and quirkiness, you chose those specific moments? Those -- those aren't really supposed to be funny. I'm pretty sure "Just You" and the Bottle thing were. Along with the Tarantino Actors getting blown away by the Polish guy. And the Bellucci thing, as well. Let me put it this way, if Albert's speech about how he actually Loves people were in an MCU movie you'd be deriding it. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 20:42:05 GMT
And out of the countless subtle, nuanced, and unparalleled examples of black comedy and quirkiness, you chose those specific moments? Those -- those aren't really supposed to be funny. I'm pretty sure "Just You" and the Bottle thing were. Along with the Tarantino Actors getting blown away by the Polish guy. And the Bellucci thing, as well. Let me put it this way, if Albert's speech about how he actually Loves people were in an MCU movie you'd be deriding it. No, YOU would be blindly praising it. I would be using my brain to evaluate it critically in context and then making a decision about it from there. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 5, 2017 20:47:27 GMT
I'm pretty sure "Just You" and the Bottle thing were. Along with the Tarantino Actors getting blown away by the Polish guy. And the Bellucci thing, as well. Let me put it this way, if Albert's speech about how he actually Loves people were in an MCU movie you'd be deriding it. No, YOU would be blindly praising it. I would be using my brain to evaluate it critically in context and then making a decision about it from there. IE, you'd end up deriding it purely based on it being something from the MCU. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 5, 2017 20:50:02 GMT
No, YOU would be blindly praising it. I would be using my brain to evaluate it critically in context and then making a decision about it from there. IE, you'd end up deriding it purely based on it being something from the MCU. Nonsense. When have I ever displayed even a shred of fanboy partisanship or anything short of absolute objectivity and rationality?! |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 5, 2017 23:01:19 GMT
I have no problem with humor being used. In fact, I welcome it.
I just hate when moments that are supposed to be serious are ruined by a stupid joke or a dumb visual gag.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2017 23:09:56 GMT
I have no problem with humor being used. In fact, I welcome it. I just hate when moments that are supposed to be serious are ruined by a stupid joke or a dumb visual gag. I know there are a couple people point to in the MCU, but honestly none of those have bothered me and I think people make too much out of them. I actually like them. The dance of for instance I would actually call brilliant. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 0:14:15 GMT
D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film Wrong. They had every right to be adapted to film, and the reception they've gotten more than proves. Also, I know you're just taking the piss with that entire post. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 6, 2017 0:30:53 GMT
Humor in a superhero movie is not necessary (The Adventures of Captain Marvel proved that) but if you are going to have it, then it should not be at the expense of the characters.
It should arise from normal character behavior. Like when the president says "oh God" and Zod thinks he was misspeaking his name.
A no-no for me is the Thor line in the Avengers when he says
"He's my brother."
"He killed 200 people yesterday."
"He's adopted."
That's sitcom type humor. It undermines the seriousness of the character and of the discussion.
There is a lot of that kind of humor in the Marvel movies. Way too much of it.
I don't think I can take any of the dramatic situations in the post Iron Man movies seriously because the whole thing is treated like a joke.
Dramatic tension and suspense require that the subject matter be treated as serious and the Marvel movies never do that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 1:15:41 GMT
D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film Wrong. They had every right to be adapted to film, and the reception they've gotten more than proves. Also, I know you're just taking the piss with that entire post. He's forgetting how the X-Men were once D-Listers who couldn't hold a book. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 6, 2017 1:16:58 GMT
Humor in a superhero movie is not necessary (The Adventures of Captain Marvel proved that) but if you are going to have it, then it should not be at the expense of the characters. It should arise from normal character behavior. Like when the president says "oh God" and Zod thinks he was misspeaking his name. A no-no for me is the Thor line in the Avengers when he says "He's my brother." "He killed 200 people yesterday." "He's adopted." That's sitcom type humor. It undermines the seriousness of the character and of the discussion. There is a lot of that kind of humor in the Marvel movies. Way too much of it. I don't think I can take any of the dramatic situations in the post Iron Man movies seriously because the whole thing is treated like a joke. Dramatic tension and suspense require that the subject matter be treated as serious and the Marvel movies never do that. Thinking like yours leads to movies like Fant4stic. And no, humor doesn't instantly destroy dramatic tension and suspense. Humor is everywhere in real life, and only self-serious pretentious nonsense tries to act otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 1:19:10 GMT
Humor in a superhero movie is not necessary (The Adventures of Captain Marvel proved that) but if you are going to have it, then it should not be at the expense of the characters. It should arise from normal character behavior. Like when the president says "oh God" and Zod thinks he was misspeaking his name. A no-no for me is the Thor line in the Avengers when he says "He's my brother." "He killed 200 people yesterday." "He's adopted." That's sitcom type humor. It undermines the seriousness of the character and of the discussion. There is a lot of that kind of humor in the Marvel movies. Way too much of it. I don't think I can take any of the dramatic situations in the post Iron Man movies seriously because the whole thing is treated like a joke. Dramatic tension and suspense require that the subject matter be treated as serious and the Marvel movies never do that. Thinking like yours leads to movies like Fant4stic. And no, humor doesn't instantly destroy dramatic tension and suspense. Humor is everywhere in real life, and only self-serious pretentious nonsense tries to act otherwise. Well, primemover is pretentious as all well, and a Social Darwinist. You should really never talk to him, ever. Another no-no for primemover is for white people to ever interact with people of other ethnic origins. Oh, and apparently the Nazis weren't that bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 1:19:54 GMT
Wrong. They had every right to be adapted to film, and the reception they've gotten more than proves. Also, I know you're just taking the piss with that entire post. He's forgetting how the X-Men were once D-Listers who couldn't hold a book. People who dislike the MCU to tend to forget that most comic book characters didn't start out popular in the beginning. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 6, 2017 1:31:16 GMT
Thinking like yours leads to movies like Fant4stic. And no, humor doesn't instantly destroy dramatic tension and suspense. Humor is everywhere in real life, and only self-serious pretentious nonsense tries to act otherwise. As I said, humor at the expense of character can ruin dramatic tension. Humor in Superman the movie did not harm its dramatic moments. Neither did the humor in Robocop. I think the humor in Dark Man did however-since the jokes were at the expense of the character. But the Adventures of Captain Marvel had almost no humor and has a good reputation, so it shows that one can have a superhero movie that is almost humorless if it is well made. But that is a lot to ask of modern film companies. Republic Pictures was a small American born company-they just knew what they were doing. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 3:28:52 GMT
Wrong. They had every right to be adapted to film, and the reception they've gotten more than proves. Also, I know you're just taking the piss with that entire post. He's forgetting how the X-Men were once D-Listers who couldn't hold a book. Wrong. X-Men were always the absolute most popular book ever from the moment they launched it, not something dominant for a brief period in the late-80s to mid-90s that happened to coincide with my childhood and early adolescence. My memory on this is 100% accurate and in no way tainted by nostalgia or youth. And they were never D-listers! If they were they would've gotten cancelled at some point in the mid-seventies and only brought back some time later. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 3:31:14 GMT
D-list superheroes that should've never been adapted for film Wrong. They had every right to be adapted to film, and the reception they've gotten more than proves. Also, I know you're just taking the piss with that entire post. If you don't pepper your set with greatest hits you're going to hear crickets during the new material! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 3:35:00 GMT
Wrong. They had every right to be adapted to film, and the reception they've gotten more than proves. Also, I know you're just taking the piss with that entire post. If you don't pepper your set with greatest hits you're going to hear crickets during the new material! What crickets? The MCU's lineup has consistently been more successful than any of "the big boys" ever since the series picked up steam. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 3:36:44 GMT
If you don't pepper your set with greatest hits you're going to hear crickets during the new material! What crickets? The MCU's lineup has consistently been more successful than any of "the big boys" ever since the series picked up steam. I'm talking about my personal repertoire! "D-list superheroes who don't deserve their own films" is an old standard.  |
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