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Post by darkpast on Oct 6, 2017 6:28:15 GMT
think about it
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 6, 2017 19:55:24 GMT
Yeah. Timothy Zahn did this in like 1990.  |
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Post by politicidal on Oct 8, 2017 2:27:17 GMT
So he fights his double a la LOGAN? Great...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 3:29:35 GMT
So he fights his double a la LOGAN? Great... Well, I mean, it is in the Zahn book... |
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Post by darkpast on Oct 8, 2017 5:00:05 GMT
Yeah. Timothy Zahn did this in like 1990. did they mix the dna with Darth and Emperor to make a super race? |
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Post by pete8680 on Oct 8, 2017 21:41:52 GMT
Or they created a "Mary Sue".
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 11, 2017 0:48:12 GMT
I have thought about it and my thoughts have led me to this conclusion... NONSENSE! That thing is lost in the atmosphere of Bespin. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 11, 2017 0:50:17 GMT
Or they created a "Mary Sue". DONT!!! DO NOT GO THERE! IF I NEVER HEAR THAT FUCKING TERM AGAIN IT WILL TOO SOON! AS A MATTER OF FACT, FUCK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP AGAIN!!! GODDAMMIT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 2:18:56 GMT
Woody Allen did it in 1973 with a nose.
Well at least he thought of it, until that steamroller came by.
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Post by leesilm on Oct 20, 2017 18:29:31 GMT
*begins thinking about FORCE UNLEASHED*
Well, cloning has technically happened in STAR WARS before it was a Disney product, but.... I don't know. I feel more like the big question is How Maz got the lightsaber (and how they'll explain it in the movies- not with books, magazines, cartoons, etc. outside of the trilogy).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 19:01:17 GMT
I have thought about it and my thoughts have led me to this conclusion... NONSENSE! That thing is lost in the atmosphere of Bespin. Buuut....they found the light saber, so why not the hand? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2017 14:36:53 GMT
I have thought about it and my thoughts have led me to this conclusion... NONSENSE! That thing is lost in the atmosphere of Bespin. Buuut....they found the light saber, so why not the hand? I admit, you got me there. But that's why I don't like that they found the light saber. How could they have found it? It'd be nearly impossible. The light saber is a miniscule thing to have found in the entire atmosphere of a gas giant planet. Imagine trying to find something 8 inches long in the atmosphere of Jupiter. Ridiculous.
Did it have3 a homing beacon in it? What about burning up in the atmosphere the closer it got to the core of the planet where the gravity starts to get unbearably powerful?
And anyway, why would anyone even go looking for it? How did anyone even know it was there to go look for? If Luke himself didn't go look for it then why would anyone else?
Did someone find it just by pure coincidence and gave it got to Maz just so she could give it to Rey, all by "the will of the force"?
If so, the galaxy far far away continues to be smaller place than we'd been led to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 15:49:02 GMT
Buuut....they found the light saber, so why not the hand? I admit, you got me there. But that's why I don't like that they found the light saber. How could they have found it? It'd be nearly impossible. The light saber is a miniscule thing to have found in the entire atmosphere of a gas giant planet. Imagine trying to find something 8 inches long in the atmosphere of Jupiter. Ridiculous.
Did it have3 a homing beacon in it? What about burning up in the atmosphere the closer it got to the core of the planet where the gravity starts to get unbearably powerful?
And anyway, why would anyone even go looking for it? How did anyone even know it was there to go look for? If Luke himself didn't go look for it then why would anyone else?
Did someone find it just by pure coincidence and gave it got to Maz just so she could give it to Rey, all by "the will of the force"?
If so, the galaxy far far away continues to be smaller place than we'd been led to believe.
Well, the galaxy is already a very "small galaxy" regardless of the lightsaber. But that's just a necessary evil for telling a coherent story. As for how it was found, there's a few things to keep in mind: a.) Vader knew about cloning and he knew approximately where the hand/saber would have ended up. He would've wanted both objects. So it's entirely possible he made a serious effort to recover them. b.) Lando could have known approximately where the hand/saber would have ended up (if Luke mentioned it) and may have made a serious effort to recover them. If Lando eventually found it, Maz' possession of it wouldn't be an enigma. c.) who's to say that the hand/saber ever made it outside? When Luke falls, does he immediately fall outside? No. He falls into a shaft. Inside that shaft are sensors. Dependent on the reading, doors to the atmosphere can be opened. But just as easily, the doors can remain shut and objects can be retrieved. d.) Even if the hand/saber were released into the atmosphere and even if Vader nor Lando pursued them, the other possibility you must keep in mind is that Lando's operations on Bespin were what? Mining. Can't think of a more commonly-used device in fiction for finding lost artifacts than a good old-fashioned mining operation. e.) Hell, maybe even Luke himself found it and gave it to Maz for safe-keeping. We know almost nothing about what Luke has done or what his motivations were following ROTJ. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 15:58:03 GMT
To do what, though? Is this a Rey theory? |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2017 17:53:37 GMT
I admit, you got me there. But that's why I don't like that they found the light saber. How could they have found it? It'd be nearly impossible. The light saber is a miniscule thing to have found in the entire atmosphere of a gas giant planet. Imagine trying to find something 8 inches long in the atmosphere of Jupiter. Ridiculous.
Did it have3 a homing beacon in it? What about burning up in the atmosphere the closer it got to the core of the planet where the gravity starts to get unbearably powerful?
And anyway, why would anyone even go looking for it? How did anyone even know it was there to go look for? If Luke himself didn't go look for it then why would anyone else?
Did someone find it just by pure coincidence and gave it got to Maz just so she could give it to Rey, all by "the will of the force"?
If so, the galaxy far far away continues to be smaller place than we'd been led to believe.
Well, the galaxy is already a very "small galaxy" regardless of the lightsaber. But that's just a necessary evil for telling a coherent story. As for how it was found, there's a few things to keep in mind: a.) Vader knew about cloning and he knew approximately where the hand/saber would have ended up. He would've wanted both objects. So it's entirely possible he made a serious effort to recover them. b.) Lando could have known approximately where the hand/saber would have ended up (if Luke mentioned it) and may have made a serious effort to recover them. If Lando eventually found it, Maz' possession of it wouldn't be an enigma. c.) who's to say that the hand/saber ever made it outside? When Luke falls, does he immediately fall outside? No. He falls into a shaft. Inside that shaft are sensors. Dependent on the reading, doors to the atmosphere can be opened. But just as easily, the doors can remain shut and objects can be retrieved. d.) Even if the hand/saber were released into the atmosphere and even if Vader nor Lando pursued them, the other possibility you must keep in mind is that Lando's operations on Bespin were what? Mining. Can't think of a more commonly-used device in fiction for finding lost artifacts than a good old-fashioned mining operation. e.) Hell, maybe even Luke himself found it and gave it to Maz for safe-keeping. We know almost nothing about what Luke has done or what his motivations were following ROTJ. Those are all possibilities, though I like C and E most. its possible that the hand and lightsaber didn't fall outside into Bespins atmosphere, but rather fell into the garbage supply of Cloud City, and then an Ugnaught found it and then yadda yadda yadda. But its pretty slim, especially for so much off screen action.
But like you say, we know nothing about the intervening 30 years, and clearly the saber was found.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 17:57:38 GMT
Well, the galaxy is already a very "small galaxy" regardless of the lightsaber. But that's just a necessary evil for telling a coherent story. As for how it was found, there's a few things to keep in mind: a.) Vader knew about cloning and he knew approximately where the hand/saber would have ended up. He would've wanted both objects. So it's entirely possible he made a serious effort to recover them. b.) Lando could have known approximately where the hand/saber would have ended up (if Luke mentioned it) and may have made a serious effort to recover them. If Lando eventually found it, Maz' possession of it wouldn't be an enigma. c.) who's to say that the hand/saber ever made it outside? When Luke falls, does he immediately fall outside? No. He falls into a shaft. Inside that shaft are sensors. Dependent on the reading, doors to the atmosphere can be opened. But just as easily, the doors can remain shut and objects can be retrieved. d.) Even if the hand/saber were released into the atmosphere and even if Vader nor Lando pursued them, the other possibility you must keep in mind is that Lando's operations on Bespin were what? Mining. Can't think of a more commonly-used device in fiction for finding lost artifacts than a good old-fashioned mining operation. e.) Hell, maybe even Luke himself found it and gave it to Maz for safe-keeping. We know almost nothing about what Luke has done or what his motivations were following ROTJ. Those are all possibilities, though I like C and E most. its possible that the hand and lightsaber didn't fall outside into Bespins atmosphere, but rather fell into the garbage supply of Cloud City, and then an Ugnaught found it and then yadda yadda yadda. But its pretty slim, especially for so much off screen action.
But like you say, we know nothing about the intervening 30 years, and clearly the saber was found.
And I don't about you, but I can't FRIGGIN wait to find out. There will certainly be an explanation. I have never been so excited for a movie. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2017 18:04:37 GMT
...like you say, we know nothing about the intervening 30 years, and clearly the saber was found.
And I don't about you, but I can't FRIGGIN wait to find out. There will certainly be an explanation. I have never been so excited for a movie. Problem is, I get the feeling that they're kinda passing the baton when it comes to answers/explanations. Rian Johnson has been quoted as saying that this movie is going to be lite on explanation as to who Snoke is. And apparently some footage was shown to industry insiders that has Luke asking "who are you? to Rey. Well if he doesn't know who the fuck does? I'm certainly excited, but I'll be less so if some of this stuff isn't forthcoming. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 18:54:23 GMT
And I don't about you, but I can't FRIGGIN wait to find out. There will certainly be an explanation. I have never been so excited for a movie. Problem is, I get the feeling that they're kinda passing the baton when it comes to answers/explanations. Rian Johnson has been quoted as saying that this movie is going to be lite on explanation as to who Snoke is. And apparently some footage was shown to industry insiders that has Luke asking "who are you? to Rey. Well if he doesn't know who the fuck does? I'm certainly excited, but I'll be less so if some of this stuff isn't forthcoming. Eh, just keep in mind that we: a.) didn't know who Leia really was until the third movie of the OT. b.) didn't know who Luke really was until the end of the second movie of the OT c.) didn't know who Vader was until the end of the second movie of the OT. d.) never found out any backstory on Palpatine until the PT. And actually, you could say that we also didn't know C3PO's and R2D2's backstory until the PT, never found out Yoda's origin at all, sorta found out a little backstory on Chewbacca in the PT and correcet me if I'm wrong, but is there any canon origin for Han yet? I think the only difference is that in the OT, the story started like there didn't need to be much backstory on Leia/Vader/Luke and then audiences were surprised by a backstory they never saw coming. With the ST, it's just a different methodology. We're given a mystery up front instead of being surprised midway. We'll get the same treatment in the ST. Rey will become demystified for sure. Finn's story could wait a la Han. And while we may not get everything we want on Snoke before the end of the trilogy, we will certainly get every bit as much as we got on Vader in the OT. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 23, 2017 19:01:20 GMT
Problem is, I get the feeling that they're kinda passing the baton when it comes to answers/explanations. Rian Johnson has been quoted as saying that this movie is going to be lite on explanation as to who Snoke is. And apparently some footage was shown to industry insiders that has Luke asking "who are you? to Rey. Well if he doesn't know who the fuck does? I'm certainly excited, but I'll be less so if some of this stuff isn't forthcoming. Eh, just keep in mind that we: a.) didn't know who Leia really was until the third movie of the OT. b.) didn't know who Luke really was until the end of the second movie of the OT c.) didn't know who Vader was until the end of the second movie of the OT. d.) never found out any backstory on Palpatine until the PT. And actually, you could say that we also didn't know C3PO's and R2D2's backstory until the PT, never found out Yoda's origin at all, sorta found out a little backstory on Chewbacca in the PT and correcet me if I'm wrong, but is there any canon origin for Han yet? I think the only difference is that in the OT, the story started like there didn't need to be much backstory on Leia/Vader/Luke and then audiences were surprised by a backstory they never saw coming.
With the ST, it's just a different methodology. We're given a mystery up front instead of being surprised midway. We'll get the same treatment in the ST. Rey will become demystified for sure. Finn's story could wait a la Han. And while we may not get everything we want on Snoke before the end of the trilogy, we will certainly get every bit as much as we got on Vader in the OT. I think the only difference is that in the OT, the story started like there didn't need to be much backstory on Leia/Vader/Luke and then audiences were surprised by a backstory they never saw coming.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 19:54:49 GMT
Eh, just keep in mind that we: a.) didn't know who Leia really was until the third movie of the OT. b.) didn't know who Luke really was until the end of the second movie of the OT c.) didn't know who Vader was until the end of the second movie of the OT. d.) never found out any backstory on Palpatine until the PT. And actually, you could say that we also didn't know C3PO's and R2D2's backstory until the PT, never found out Yoda's origin at all, sorta found out a little backstory on Chewbacca in the PT and correcet me if I'm wrong, but is there any canon origin for Han yet? I think the only difference is that in the OT, the story started like there didn't need to be much backstory on Leia/Vader/Luke and then audiences were surprised by a backstory they never saw coming.
With the ST, it's just a different methodology. We're given a mystery up front instead of being surprised midway. We'll get the same treatment in the ST. Rey will become demystified for sure. Finn's story could wait a la Han. And while we may not get everything we want on Snoke before the end of the trilogy, we will certainly get every bit as much as we got on Vader in the OT. I think the only difference is that in the OT, the story started like there didn't need to be much backstory on Leia/Vader/Luke and then audiences were surprised by a backstory they never saw coming.
Yeah. That.
I prefer the way the ST has been handled over the OT when it comes to that. For one thing, the mystery aspect is undoubtedly better for business. There are a gazillion "Who is Snoke?" videos on youtube. For another, I've personally experienced hundreds of hours worth of entertainment in trying to answer that same question. Even with the PT, the connections to the OT were already known commodities. This is different and this is fun. I really can't wait to find out if the ST really is about "the character who survived the PT" as Lucas once put it. And if it is, it has the potential to be the most interesting story development I've experienced in any realm of fiction. |
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