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Post by runie on Mar 3, 2017 6:08:34 GMT
Ok so now when I check films out I am not just looking up directors other works, now i am looking in more detail of what he/she has done before, what scores he, she is getting, what genres, the actors/actresses even more - the writers work (ok this in it self Isn't a problem so much - and I always do my best to try and associate works of workers in film and tv some times- i dont need to be forced, eve though that in itself is educational... however the negatives outweigh the benefits.
I am reading more reviews - many reviews tell half the stroy, have an agenda or spoil the story completely, could be biased with or without knowing it.i am using more of the IMDB site as a result, I may also be using other sources with actual 'paid' movie critics! *never have i got on with them in honesty)
reading comments without agenda (filter through the fan boys or haters from the old message boards) gave me a better understanding of what to expect and what I may enjoy.
My system for checking films/tv shows out has been altered - the system was never 'systematic' but it worked.
now i am dredging through 'well written' pieces more , that don't actually tell me much - unless it wants to tell you one of two things - watch it or don't watch it (with no debate on why)
as a whole the IMDB MB community a was a much better critic of video, as long as you knew the right system and new of some posters. or at least the type of posters. you could get a rounded view - and that typical joe on the street may use bad grammar etc - yet have some great content and reasoning - add that to 50 other comments - you could get yourself a watch it or don't watch it answer,
I am now reading more on imdb(minus MB's) now and other sites more than before - yet getting less out of it.
So 'the man' is winning again. We need to get something like imdb MB's back.
There could be an application that could be made quite simply - point us(link) to a separate MB about a particular TV or film show from the title of the page - but to get all the users back? relevant comments back on very rare films would be quite a task. new traffic etc etc - almost impossible.
sometimes you only know what you lost when you have lost it.
It wasn't just about being a board reg and chatting about non films or ilms with online mates. it also was a great tool for watching films. I don't need completely idiotic tweets or cliche lesser sites that have many people thinking one way or grand reviews that are trying to be the writers work of art in itself - I want factual and real experiences from many different people all over the world(devoid of superlatives) about what the film was to them. That was what we have lost.
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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 10:21:47 GMT
I agree, you can get more from casual board discussions/comments than you can from any film critic or journalist. It's more personal, and the information, names attached etc. isn't of huge relevance unless a director or actor has a particular style you like, that's all on the side. You get more of a feeling from it. Sometimes I just needed to read one line of someone's reply to feel their enthusiasm. I sometimes enjoy the long, grand reviews too, as long as they're not full of crap.
Basically the message boards were better than any film guide, youtube review thing, information site (which is what IMDb now is). They've splintered and there's still great stuff to be found (especially here, more so than Fedrev's site), but nothing compared to the old message boards. Just the layout itself was so light and accessible and easy, and the boards were fast. This one slower than a freight train.
However, it was not me that got the boards closed, it was Bill Williamson.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 3, 2017 12:15:54 GMT
I can see the OP's point as i imagine for some people what he said is quite useful as apparently some people use the opinions of many others to form their opinion of whether something is worth giving a shot or not. but with that said... i never really relied on that type of stuff to form my opinion of whether ill want to see a movie or not as for me it boiled down to largely these four things... -Subject Matter -Cast -Director -Trailer but obviously, Director is not a factor too much because directors with names are not making movies too often so it's probably mostly Subject Matter/Trailer with the Cast being a factor a fair amount. but with that said... about the only time i would look at other stuff, like if people are talking about a movie on the message boards or IMDb's average rating could influence me, is basically if i was on the edge of seeing or not seeing a movie in which case those other two things could influence me for or against seeing a movie. but with that said... i surely don't miss the flood of people spamming places like Film General and other high traffic areas over on the IMDb forums. in that regard i think these IMDb2 boards are better as while it don't have as much traffic it seems to generally have better people around here and conversations tend to be a bit better but i guess given the volume of traffic over on places like Film General etc you could still find an occasional solid post here and there. but like i mentioned before... the main things i miss from the official IMDb boards is looking at the individual movie boards to random movies as you could occasionally find some quality topics and discussions there and those are now all gone as i can see why IMDb killed the general Message Boards over on IMDb because of all of the spam on Film General etc but it seems they could have at least kept individual movie boards alive as, like i was saying, you could find some quality discussions from time to time on random movies. ------------------------------------------------------------------- runieYeah, i don't worry too much about grammar as what a persons saying is all that really matters as they either got some solid thoughts on it or they don't. some people are just much better at articulating their thoughts/feelings into words than others are and grammar don't really matter either way because as long as you can understand what they are saying then everything else is irrelevant. but just about general critics etc... while they can be a decent read, as you can tell they are better with words about movies then the average person is (like myself), it's still no guarantee your going to like the movie at the end of the day which is why i figure just about everyone who has seen a lot of movies over the years can pretty much tell whether something is worth watching and what might stand out from the pack etc as i imagine after a while you can tell what types of movies/genres are most likely to output a quality movie and what genres likely won't etc. steven18it's really that noticeable for you? for me both are quick enough. but i guess i liked how the IMDb boards could be listed as a 'nest' which make it a bit easier to stick to a certain section of a page. |
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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 12:33:20 GMT
I can see the OP's point as i imagine for some people what he said is quite useful as apparently some people use the opinions of many others to form their opinion of whether something is worth giving a shot or not. but with that said... i never really relied on that type of stuff to form my opinion of whether ill want to see a movie or not as for me it boiled down to largely these four things... -Subject Matter -Cast -Director -Trailer but obviously, Director is not a factor too much because directors with names are not making movies too often so it's probably mostly Subject Matter/Trailer with the Cast being a factor a fair amount. but with that said... about the only time i would look at other stuff, like if people are talking about a movie on the message boards or IMDb's average rating could influence me, is basically if i was on the edge of seeing or not seeing a movie in which case those other two things could influence me for or against seeing a movie. but with that said... i surely don't miss the flood of people spamming places like Film General and other high traffic areas over on the IMDb forums. in that regard i think these IMDb2 boards are better as while it don't have as much traffic it seems to generally have better people around here and conversations tend to be a bit better but i guess given the volume of traffic over on places like Film General etc you could still find an occasional solid post here and there. but like i mentioned before... the main things i miss from the official IMDb boards is looking at the individual movie boards to random movies as you could occasionally find some quality topics and discussions there and those are now all gone as i can see why IMDb killed the general Message Boards over on IMDb because of all of the spam on Film General etc but it seems they could have at least kept individual movie boards alive as, like i was saying, you could find some quality discussions from time to time on random movies. ------------------------------------------------------------------- runie Yeah, i don't worry too much about grammar as what a persons saying is all that really matters as they either got some solid thoughts on it or they don't. some people are just much better at articulating their thoughts/feelings into words than others are and grammar don't really matter either way because as long as you can understand what they are saying then everything else is irrelevant. but just about general critics etc... while they can be a decent read, as you can tell they are better with words about movies then the average person is (like myself), it's still no guarantee your going to like the movie at the end of the day which is why i figure just about everyone who has seen a lot of movies over the years can pretty much tell whether something is worth watching and what might stand out from the pack etc as i imagine after a while you can tell what types of movies/genres are most likely to output a quality movie and what genres likely won't etc. steven18 it's really that noticeable for you? for me both are quick enough. but i guess i liked how the IMDb boards could be listed as a 'nest' which make it a bit easier to stick to a certain section of a page. yeah the nest layout was great, that way you could easily see who was replying to who and you could reply to specific posters without needing to "tag" them or quote their entire post. As for the speed of the board, it's not that noticeable anymore as by the time they got rid of the boards I wasn't posting half as much as I used to anyway. As for watching a film based on recommendation or opinions of others, I've literally never done that. I either watch a film on a whim, or if I like a director/actor in it, and if not that then from an image or poster. I find most professional reviews just miss the point, and they're written just because a critic has to write something about such-and-such film to get paid, but of course there are exceptions to the rule and sometimes a critic has something interesting to say, sometimes it's just bollocks. |
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 3, 2017 12:46:18 GMT
steven18 it looks like we are pretty much on the same page then when it comes to gauging movies on what to see and what to skip. because we all have to be selective on what we see to some degree even if you got a boatload of free time and rarely re-watch movies it's still not going to be possible to watch everything out there even though you might be able to get a solid portion of the more known movies because i figure after a certain point it's simply not worth seeing TOO many movies because after a certain point it just becomes difficult to find anything of any real worth(as in stand out from the pack) and will be watching largely forgettable movies. i think it's especially true if you exclude movies being released into the future as those still turn up here and there but from the past it's getting quite difficult to find movies ill score a 7 or higher as it's only something that 199 movies managed to pull off which are my favorite movies. i would not say it's 100% for me in that regard, as it's happened for me, but we are largely in agreement here but there are some cases here and there where someone will bring a movie up in a topic and it gets my attention enough to give it a shot as i know that's paid off a bit here and there for me even though it usually does not. p.s. but one movie that paid off that i likely might not have seen had i not noticed a IMDb user bring it to my attention (and with their positive comments helped a bit too) which was... Robot & Frank (2012) (7-7.5/10) as i think that's the best movie i seen in a situation like that, that i can clearly remember. it was actually user darksidebeadle (on IMDb it was darksidecrew). there has been a bit more i imagine but i think that might be the only 7 or higher in a situation like that for me. Yeah, which is why i usually just tab someone and then split up their quotes so it don't take up too much room in the reply. so it's sorta less clutter this way. like what i am doing to you right now as i type this message.
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Post by steven18 on Mar 3, 2017 13:16:02 GMT
steven18 it looks like we are pretty much on the same page then when it comes to gauging movies on what to see and what to skip. because we all have to be selective on what we see to some degree even if you got a boatload of free time and rarely re-watch movies it's still not going to be possible to watch everything out there even though you might be able to get a solid portion of the more known movies because i figure after a certain point it's simply not worth seeing TOO many movies because after a certain point it just becomes difficult to find anything of any real worth(as in stand out from the pack) and will be watching largely forgettable movies. i think it's especially true if you exclude movies being released into the future as those still turn up here and there but from the past it's getting quite difficult to find movies ill score a 7 or higher as it's only something that 199 movies managed to pull off which are my favorite movies. i would not say it's 100% for me in that regard, as it's happened for me, but we are largely in agreement here but there are some cases here and there where someone will bring a movie up in a topic and it gets my attention enough to give it a shot as i know that's paid off a bit here and there for me even though it usually does not. There's one film I was recommended that I watched...well two, buscemi introduced me to Neil Breen. As for watching lots of movies one after the other randomly, I've found good stuff that way certainly. I don't have any system for watching films, some people seem to watch all of one director's films, then move onto another. Basically the bottom line is inspiration, like when something catches your eye, or you look at a painting and something just hits and you and makes sense, so that's why seeing a particular image of a film or a trailer inspires me to see a film and almost never anything else, unless of course it's from a director with a particular style I like, like Lynch. Still, even then, it works the other way, you could find an amazing film and have an amazing experience just from being couched watching movies on the tv all day, there's no separate way. As for watching loads of movies, I don't really care, I've seen a few hundred and a fraction of those were so good they almost made me feel like I never had to watch a film again, those films that take you to that mysterious "other side," that you can't adequately explain or put into words. Basically I don't like to separate or categorise, as that way things get boring, so I don't watch films by specific era/genre, and I don't even consider films or watching films separate from anything else as if it was ever an "escape" in any way (that's a cop out), and not reflection like any art form, or well...anything. So I see all the films I want to, if I never see certain films, then well, clearly I simply didn't see them, and I see everything I need to without exception. Every film I've enjoyed I've simply watched on a whim or something clicked and I made a conscious decision to watch it, just don't have some separate system or standard of doing things, but then no one has. There's no right or wrong way, but only a few times has someone made me want to see a film. Great discussion and exchange of ideas though. |
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